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PA vs ARA

Danes said:
ArA and PA (soy lecithin granules) goes hand in hand! Soy lecithin is a emulsifier and would be beneficial for absorption of the ArA if taking same time as ArA. It seems like people are overthinking when it comes to suppmements ? :D
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I agree. This is 90% of the time they over think

Your on the money as usual
 
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About to ride the PA train. Currently on xgels as well. Already worked out today, picked some up on way home from gym so gonna do 2400mg with my post workout meal right meow
 
experiment...some find the higher doses beneficial, others note nothing extra (at least short term; personally i think it potentially premature to rule out certain dosages based solely on acute perceivable effects, but pragmatically one has to draw a line *somewhere*)
 
Well I'm only gonna run it for ten days bc I am starting a new product in jan that I've never used before and want to give it a fair shake solo... Just wanted to see if I could feel anything from the PA over the next ten days and then use it at a later time long term. So I guess ill go big right now for ten days :)
 
I was doing 2 caps king and then 1 tbsp SL. Now that I am out of king going with just 2 tbsp of SL. I am also running follidrone so might not need as much SL. I would try the two tbsp first and go from there. Then again the stuff is cheap so no big deal going BIG from the get go. Then again again it is always nice to be able to up the dose when you hit a wall.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I was doing 2 caps king and then 1 tbsp SL. Now that I am out of king going with just 2 tbsp of SL. I am also running follidrone so might not need as much SL. I would try the two tbsp first and go from there. Then again the stuff is cheap so no big deal going BIG from the get go. Then again again it is always nice to be able to up the dose when you hit a wall.
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Definitely. I will go at it hard now and then start smaller when I run it again. It will most likely be with ABE, xgels, and Ep1c/folli. So I will hve no worries starting out minimum dose.
 
Omega-3(ALA) content of SL has been observed as 4-1.6% of total phospholipid content

I bounce between 3g-3.6g PA with no noticeable difference between the two.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I was doing 2 caps king and then 1 tbsp SL. Now that I am out of king going with just 2 tbsp of SL. I am also running follidrone so might not need as much SL. I would try the two tbsp first and go from there. Then again the stuff is cheap so no big deal going BIG from the get go. Then again again it is always nice to be able to up the dose when you hit a wall.
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Whats king and SL
 
And pa is pretty much stackable with anything yea? Seems like a great overall health supp to take daily anyway. Ill probably start doing 12 weeks on / 4 off as a staple now.. It's cheap enough and tasted pretty good on top of my Select protein ice cream tonight
 
chedapalooza said:
And pa is pretty much stackable with anything yea? Seems like a great overall health supp to take daily anyway. Ill probably start doing 12 weeks on / 4 off as a staple now.. It's cheap enough and tasted pretty good on top of my Select protein ice cream tonight
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You made ice cream out of protein powder?
 
Any reason I couldn't split my two servings of fearn granules up with meals on off days? 1200mg at one meal and 1200mg at another? Or best to just take it all at once?
 
chedapalooza said:
Any reason I couldn't split my two servings of fearn granules up with meals on off days? 1200mg at one meal and 1200mg at another? Or best to just take it all at once?
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That's fine to do on off days. On training days stay at one full dose pwo.
 
chedapalooza said:
Any reason I couldn't split my two servings of fearn granules up with meals on off days? 1200mg at one meal and 1200mg at another? Or best to just take it all at once?
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That would be fine. Most are dosing only pre, while others are doing pre and post. Either way, you're going to get the benefits whether dosed in a bolus or spread out.
 
Just ordered 16oz of Fearn Lecithin granules! Looking forward to trying this out!
 
kdubson14 said:
Well the literature says PA blood levels rise in 30 min, plateau between 1-3 hours, and peak at 3 hours post consumption, so the timing seems quite flexible
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Which makes all the more sense to dose ~45 minute pre workout. Then it's in your system while you are in the gym and still there post workout. So this dosing covers you intra + post.

I think total clearance time is ~6 hours or so. So if you want to take it even earlier than ~45 min pre, that can and should work as well (such as a typical pre workout meal ~2 hours prior to workout).
 
chedapalooza said:
I still can't get over dosing 16g of fat pre workout..that's not a fasted state any more
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Why do you want/have to be fasted for your workout? You're goal should be to improve performance, not worry about weight/fat loss during resistance training.
 
kbayne said:
Why do you want/have to be fasted for your workout? You're goal should be to improve performance, not worry about weight/fat loss during resistance training.
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Bc I truthfully only train for general health/physique. I cannot ( due to injuries ) and simply do not want to train for insane strength or power or 1 RMs or anything. I played football til i was 22..I'm 26 now And i injured myself in July pulling 310 as a 1 RM... not worth all the Rehabbing and things ive had to endure bc of the injury.

I've beat myself up enough lol. So performance isn't a goal.. I need to train smarter and use correct form to correct some muscular imbalances I currently have, and I simply 'perform' better on an empty stomach (IF)
 
chedapalooza said:
Bc I truthfully only train for general health/physique. I cannot ( due to injuries ) and simply do not want to train for insane strength or power or 1 RMs or anything. I played football til i was 22..I'm 26 now And i injured myself in July pulling 310 as a 1 RM... not worth all the Rehabbing and things ive had to endure bc of the injury. I've beat myself up enough lol. So performance isn't a goal.. I need to train smarter and use correct form to correct some muscular imbalances I currently have, and I simply 'perform' better on an empty stomach (IF)
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Performance doesn't have to be strength or lifting crazy weight.

Like you just stated, correct form and training smart will lead to greater performance in the gym.

If your "perform" better fasted, then dose the SL at a different time. It's not that huge of an issue when it comes to dosing.
 
Hey Danes,
i really want to thank u very much!!
I'm using SL from one month as u suggested, I'm taking 2,4 grams of PA 40 mins prewo = 30 grams of SL,
i gain 2 lbs and i can tell is just lbm cause i stay shredded year around and I'm and I'm really happy cause on my body its really noticeble!!
I'm very happy that u shared this info, muscle fulness is really on top!!!
haha
2nd of january i restart creatine beta alanine and i thorow in xFactor at 6 caps,haha, and keep of course the SL
that is really amazing!!
i can't wait to c what happened with this magic stack!!
 
Mark Table said:
Hey Danes,
i really want to thank u very much!!
I'm using SL from one month as u suggested, I'm taking 2,4 grams of PA 40 mins prewo = 30 grams of SL,
i gain 2 lbs and i can tell is just lbm cause i stay shredded year around and I'm and I'm really happy cause on my body its really noticeble!!
I'm very happy that u shared this info, muscle fulness is really on top!!!
haha
2nd of january i restart creatine beta alanine and i thorow in xFactor at 6 caps,haha, and keep of course the SL
that is really amazing!!
i can't wait to c what happened with this magic stack!!
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Glad to hear that:)!
PA is amazing and the best things are:

-it really works
-its damn cheap (soy lecithin granules)
-can stack with everything

If you dont have any inflammation issues then you should try PA with ArA.
Its PERFECT stack! As you mentioned x factor or x gels :)
 
Danes said:
1750mg ArA here and there is no crazy DOMS here..
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same, DOMS werent crazy but felt recoveyr was impacted...gonna experiment dosing 2caps Clear Muscle prrewo and see if that will help (itd be great if it did, having one container of CM last 3mnths would be great)
 
NewAgeMayan said:
same, DOMS werent crazy but felt recoveyr was impacted...gonna experiment dosing 2caps Clear Muscle prrewo and see if that will help (itd be great if it did, having one container of CM last 3mnths would be great)
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I use to take 3 HMB FA (CM) pre workout and 3 later. No change in DOMS now when I am on ArA.
Actually HMB FA will not help with ArA DOMS.

HMB FA worked damn good first 2-3 months. Seriously, no DOMS at all even working out same muscle group twice in a week. But the effect dissapeared and i dont know why.(no changing the diet and i train each musclegroup once in week lately).
 
I want to try some soy lecithin granules. What are the main percentages if any that I should look for? I have a Vitamin Shoppe around the corner from me. Does anyone here recommend any particular brand from them?
 
SL is my next go to after ARA. Can't wait to see how that goes. Stacking it with follidrone
 
chedapalooza said:
Bc I truthfully only train for general health/physique. I cannot ( due to injuries ) and simply do not want to train for insane strength or power or 1 RMs or anything. I played football til i was 22..I'm 26 now And i injured myself in July pulling 310 as a 1 RM... not worth all the Rehabbing and things ive had to endure bc of the injury.

I've beat myself up enough lol. So performance isn't a goal.. I need to train smarter and use correct form to correct some muscular imbalances I currently have, and I simply 'perform' better on an empty stomach (IF)
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I can't think of any reason anyone could perform better on an empty stomach. It actually should be more dangerous, for multiple reasons. I cant post a link now, but do a google for something along the lines of "myth of training fasted debunked". It really doesn't make much sense to train fasted, but if you enjoy it then thats all that matters.
 
halfhuman said:
SL is my next go to after ARA. Can't wait to see how that goes. Stacking it with follidrone
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I have tried all natty supps but PA is the best thing I have tried. 2nd week on ArA now and I love it. It seems like ArA gonna be one of my fav too
 
anabolix said:
I can't think of any reason anyone could perform better on an empty stomach. It actually should be more dangerous, for multiple reasons. I cant post a link now, but do a google for something along the lines of "myth of training fasted debunked". It really doesn't make much sense to train fasted, but if you enjoy it then thats all that matters.
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Ditto. Going purely by the science of how the body functions, nourished state is going to perform better than being fasted. This is of course if one figures in the nourished state not being equal to the tummy full of food trying to digest state. Also not talking about eating things which would cause a relatively large insulin spike that crashes later in the middle of a workout (thus what you're consuming also matters).
 
Danes said:
I have tried all natty supps but PA is the best thing I have tried. 2nd week on ArA now and I love it. It seems like ArA gonna be one of my fav too
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My ArA run just ended today. Last dose. But muscles are nice and saturated so I'll still benefit for another week or so :).

Next run going to go to 2 grams and compare to 1.5 grams.
 
anabolix said:
I can't think of any reason anyone could perform better on an empty stomach. It actually should be more dangerous, for multiple reasons. I cant post a link now, but do a google for something along the lines of "myth of training fasted debunked". It really doesn't make much sense to train fasted, but if you enjoy it then thats all that matters.
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I use amino iv
 
Danes said:
I have tried all natty supps but PA is the best thing I have tried. 2nd week on ArA now and I love it. It seems like ArA gonna be one of my fav too
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ARA is the best I've tried so far. My second is -epi than comes natadrol.

Can't wait for pa
 
exactly Danes PA SL its really worth it!!
yes infact i can't wait to start the run PA + ARA!!
haha
i already have 3 bottles of xFactor.
bought while i was in rio de janeiro and shipped to my home of course from USA.
anyway i already ran once ARA from june till the end of july 2014 first 3 weeks at 1 g and after 1,5 grams i also threw in ABE original version on that very nice run.
1,5 is the to go dose for me.
Anyway i don't get this crazy doms that i hear here about ARA.
I'm really prone to doms and i have them after every work out, just in the shoulders aka lateral and frontal i don't have almost doms while on the rear after every workout.
i think doms, i can be wrong, are really connected to the capacity of deeply contract the target muscle.
 
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