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p-plex/M-drol w/ Trena log-Subscribe this baby!

AlexParty said:
As long as you train hard, enough enough and rest a lot you'll gain. Sometimes it wont show in 3-4 days but the 5-6 days you'll see big gains. It's weird like that. If your weight isn't increasing you have to hope your body fat is decreasing so that means your gaining muscle but you say your BF is increasing? It's very hard to increase BF on a cycle.
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have you ever cycled before? just curious. real gear, yes, it's harder to gain fat. but otc orals, it's just as easy as if you were not on a cycle. especially since you are eating at least 1000 cals over maintenance.
 
bassgod272 said:
have you ever cycled before? just curious. real gear, yes, it's harder to gain fat. but otc orals, it's just as easy as if you were not on a cycle. especially since you are eating at least 1000 cals over maintenance.
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Do you mean injectables? I've never used real gear before, but from what I've heard people say fat practically drops off them on cycle, but I have heard plenty of people gaining some fat on a cycle of orals like you said.
 
bassgod272 said:
have you ever cycled before? just curious. real gear, yes, it's harder to gain fat. but otc orals, it's just as easy as if you were not on a cycle. especially since you are eating at least 1000 cals over maintenance.
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Why would you at 22 ask me at 25 if I ever cycled before?? I wont even respond to you because that is so illogical on your part and I wont even continue. I find that insulting.

Anyways like I said rest a lot, eat a lot and train hard and you'll get better gains.
 
Yeah, I'm trying to get those cals in but it's a little hard to get more when you're not hungry or have an upset stomach all the time. The zantac doesn't help much.

Workout was good today. Wasn't as good as monday, but pumps were still large. Had to cut lat exercises short again because the pump was to the point where it was limiting movement and I felt really stiff. Awesome feeling, but at the same time a little annoying. Everything is still going great. Mood is not as good as it was earlier today, but I'm alright. No excess sides which is really awesome. Weight this morning was 193.8. Vascularity still amazing. I'll update later guys.
 
Ya control the mood swings, don't want to look like an idiot in front of friends or family. Did that when I was driving with my girlfriend, got really mad at a taxi guy for cutting me off, it was bad. Ya I know it's hard to get those cals in when you're not hungry.
 
Yeah, I have to say mood has been bad today. I was in an extremely good mood today, but a bro playin around hit me in the back lightly near my kidneys and without thinking I flipped on him in the gym. "don't ever fkin touch me in the back. I swear I'll beat the sh!t out of you man." Then about 5 minutes later I thought "what the hell? That's not like me at all." Then about the last half of the day my mood got worse and worse. Not in a good mood at all, shifting from pissed to depressed and I have no reason why. It's partly the people around me, partly... I dunno. It sucks.
 
hopefully you get some serious rest tonight and your mood will be better tomorrow.
 
Alright, now I'm pissed and have a reason. Got a chance to buy 32 pounds of protein powder for 120 bucks but I don't have enough spare cash after all the money I spent on the current bulk and food for it. That's nervewracking.
 
Brian5225 said:
Alright, now I'm pissed and have a reason. Got a chance to buy 32 pounds of protein powder for 120 bucks but I don't have enough spare cash after all the money I spent on the current bulk and food for it. That's nervewracking.
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Dude you gotta change the Borat smiley avi to an "I will crush you!" Borat avi.

It's just hard to imagine you raging with that smiling Borat. :aargh:
 
Brian5225 said:
Yeah, I have to say mood has been bad today. I was in an extremely good mood today, but a bro playin around hit me in the back lightly near my kidneys and without thinking I flipped on him in the gym. "don't ever fkin touch me in the back. I swear I'll beat the sh!t out of you man." Then about 5 minutes later I thought "what the hell? That's not like me at all." Then about the last half of the day my mood got worse and worse. Not in a good mood at all, shifting from pissed to depressed and I have no reason why. It's partly the people around me, partly... I dunno. It sucks.
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LOL I know man been there done that. When I hit those moods while 'on' I just ignore people. If my girlfriend, friends or whoever calls the house I just don't answer. I love getting that mood though in the gym, especially on bench press.
 
Condition1 said:
Dude you gotta change the Borat smiley avi to an "I will crush you!" Borat avi.

It's just hard to imagine you raging with that smiling Borat. :aargh:
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This is the closest thing I could come up with haha.

Yeah Alex, it sucks. Last time I was on SD I was in my truck (It's my baby, I love my truck) and a friend I was with was in another vehicle, and burned out right next to me while turning (we were on gravel) throwing rocks and sh!t all over my truck. Lets just say I lost it. I seriously doubt it was the SD, but it probably made me a little more irritable than normal. I ended up rear-ending him at the stop sign. But hey, I was provoked. I usually keep my cool pretty well though.
 
Brian5225 said:
This is the closest thing I could come up with haha.

Yeah Alex, it sucks. Last time I was on SD I was in my truck (It's my baby, I love my truck) and a friend I was with was in another vehicle, and burned out right next to me while turning (we were on gravel) throwing rocks and sh!t all over my truck. Lets just say I lost it. I seriously doubt it was the SD, but it probably made me a little more irritable than normal. I ended up rear-ending him at the stop sign. But hey, I was provoked. I usually keep my cool pretty well though.
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Lol it's funny because afterwards you know you look like an idiot so before I even freak out I take a breather(it actually helps). It's not so bad though. Strangely enough i had the worst temper on Phera Plex years ago, not so much Superdrol. I don't know how similar the clones are now. Actually i had a question, do you feel dry when you wake up in the morning? You know what I mean by this? and have your nuts been hurting a lot?
 
When you say dry do you mean like water retention? I don't feel very dry at all except during the middle of the day lol. And me nuts haven't hurt at all actually. Weight this morning is 195.0!
 
Brian5225 said:
When you say dry do you mean like water retention? I don't feel very dry at all except during the middle of the day lol. And me nuts haven't hurt at all actually. Weight this morning is 195.0!
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Nice, do you expect to reach 200 by the end of the cycle?

In the morning you feel dry in a sense that your body liquids feel dried up, when you breathe through your nose it's extremely dry. It's like having a cold when waking up for about 5 minutes then it goes away. I had that on Phera Plex... so I guess the clone(although its 15mg per tab) is not as strong as the original but then again I haven't tried it.
 
Oh, yeah I do, and in the back of my throat as well. But I kind of attributed that to my cold, so I didn't really figure it needed to be mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if my weight was even higher than that, seeing as how I'm just starting the 3rd week of a 6 weeker and I'm a total of 10 pounds up so far, and that's only on the phera!
 
AlexParty said:
Why would you at 22 ask me at 25 if I ever cycled before?? I wont even respond to you because that is so illogical on your part and I wont even continue. I find that insulting.

Anyways like I said rest a lot, eat a lot and train hard and you'll get better gains.
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i apologize ahead of time brian, as i am not trying to clutter your log, but i must respond here. i asked because i had no idea whether you've cycled or not. do you think everyone who lifts, uses steroids? age makes no difference. i know people locally and have met many here at AM who are older than you and have never cycled. they are still researching and debating on whether or not they want to go that route. to the original question, how can you possibly say it is very hard to gain fat while running otc orals?? especially if you're using a compound such as phera or superdrol during a bulk? that's just rediculous. it's VERY easy. real gear on the other hand, that's a different story. again, i apologize brian, lookin good bro! keep lifting hard and heavy :head:
 
bassgod272 said:
i apologize ahead of time brian, as i am not trying to clutter your log, but i must respond here. i asked because i had no idea whether you've cycled or not. do you think everyone who lifts, uses steroids? age makes no difference. i know people locally and have met many here at AM who are older than you and have never cycled. they are still researching and debating on whether or not they want to go that route. to the original question, how can you possibly say it is very hard to gain fat while running otc orals?? especially if you're using a compound such as phera or superdrol during a bulk? that's just rediculous. it's VERY easy. real gear on the other hand, that's a different story. again, i apologize brian, lookin good bro! keep lifting hard and heavy :head:
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My point was you said that in a condescending manner. I joined this site in 2003 so I think I might have been curious enough to run one cycle. Also majority of my posting is in the steroids section. I asked that same question years ago when I took Phera and everyone would say not to worry about fat gains while on it. Now I didn't mean to say you will 'not gain' fat at all, you might a little but not as much as if you were not on cycle and bulking, if anything it is required to increase your calorie intake while on any cycle. I didn't say you will not gain any fat at all.
 
Alright bro's I think we understand that it was a misunderstanding, you're both respectable members of our online community;)

Sidenote, mood swings getting pretty bad. Snapped at a gal friend today (interested in her a little bit if you know what I mean). I snapped pretty tough. She got a little sarcastic with me and I didn't take it too well. Been better in the latter part of the day though. Still feelin alright, but I've only gotten 7-7 1/2 hours sleep for two nights in a row and I think that might contribute to any problems.
 
AlexParty said:
My point was you said that in a condescending manner. I joined this site in 2003 so I think I might have been curious enough to run one cycle. Also majority of my posting is in the steroids section. I asked that same question years ago when I took Phera and everyone would say not to worry about fat gains while on it. Now I didn't mean to say you will 'not gain' fat at all, you might a little but not as much as if you were not on cycle and bulking, if anything it is required to increase your calorie intake while on any cycle. I didn't say you will not gain any fat at all.
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I def didn't mean for it to sound condescending bro. I apologize for that as I just finished running phera myself and am currently on the next portion of brian's bridge cycle; SUPERDROL. It has been making me extremely aggressive/annoyed/angry easily lately. I agree, it is for sure harder to gain fat while on. I was just thinking in my head about all the logs i've read in the past few months and people are always gaining pounds of fat while using otc orals. Most people gain fat easily these days, well at least this is my opinion, becasue they end up turning a clean bulk into a dirty one. Diet is def key in that department. I'm guolt of this myself, as I have eaten a few taco bells and mdonald's meals here and there during my cycle. ONLY DIRECTLY AFTER a workout though. This is the only time i'd EVER eat fast food. Most all of it gets used for muscle building and it's a great way to get in extra cals :) Again, I apologize bro. I suggest you check out my log also. Bassgod's XXXplosion Cycle!! Brian's cycle is almost identical to mine, but I have been pulsing M-TST on workout days and did not use Trena. :head: Keep on rockin Brian!! Oh yea, PM sent over at the "other" site. DC# sent.
 
Brian5225 said:
Alright bro's I think we understand that it was a misunderstanding, you're both respectable members of our online community;)

Sidenote, mood swings getting pretty bad. Snapped at a gal friend today (interested in her a little bit if you know what I mean). I snapped pretty tough. She got a little sarcastic with me and I didn't take it too well. Been better in the latter part of the day though. Still feelin alright, but I've only gotten 7-7 1/2 hours sleep for two nights in a row and I think that might contribute to any problems.
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i'm in the same boat bro. been really aggressive and things have been "getting to me" really bad lately. it's like i'm a whole other person entirely. i hate it man. only a couple more weeks though, then i start my PCT, which includes DTH. my libido will be back fo sho!! :woohoo: as for the sleep, i suggest phenibut. just tried it last night at 900mg and it worked great! made me drowsy and i passed out. it also didn't really make me that drowsy the morning after, like diphenhydramine does.
 
bassgod272 said:
i'm in the same boat bro. been really aggressive and things have been "getting to me" really bad lately. it's like i'm a whole other person entirely. i hate it man. only a couple more weeks though, then i start my PCT, which includes DTH. my libido will be back fo sho!! :woohoo: as for the sleep, i suggest phenibut. just tried it last night at 900mg and it worked great! made me drowsy and i passed out. it also didn't really make me that drowsy the morning after, like diphenhydramine does.
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Awesome, thanks. I've heard good things about it, esp relating to both mood and sleep, so I might just check it out! Haha, yeah the drill sargeant fell asleep at his post probably the day before yesterday and hasn't been too attentive lately. Thanks for the DC bro, got it;) Oh, jus outta curiosity, what is DTH? I've been hearing about it lately, but I haven't been able to figure out what exactly it is.
 
bassgod272 said:
I def didn't mean for it to sound condescending bro. I apologize for that as I just finished running phera myself and am currently on the next portion of brian's bridge cycle; SUPERDROL. It has been making me extremely aggressive/annoyed/angry easily lately. I agree, it is for sure harder to gain fat while on. I was just thinking in my head about all the logs i've read in the past few months and people are always gaining pounds of fat while using otc orals. Most people gain fat easily these days, well at least this is my opinion, becasue they end up turning a clean bulk into a dirty one. Diet is def key in that department. I'm guolt of this myself, as I have eaten a few taco bells and mdonald's meals here and there during my cycle. ONLY DIRECTLY AFTER a workout though. This is the only time i'd EVER eat fast food. Most all of it gets used for muscle building and it's a great way to get in extra cals :) Again, I apologize bro. I suggest you check out my log also. Bassgod's XXXplosion Cycle!! Brian's cycle is almost identical to mine, but I have been pulsing M-TST on workout days and did not use Trena. :head: Keep on rockin Brian!! Oh yea, PM sent over at the "other" site. DC# sent.
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It's cool, I think I was being a little uptight on the response. See I haven't logged on here for maybe 3 years now. I came back to find a decent cycle to run and honestly I have been in arguments with at least 5 members now, all who have started so I guess I'm in the mode to already assume an argument so my bad. Let me know how your cycles go because I bought P-plex and M-Drol but I don't know how they are compared to the originals. Right now I am going to do a Havoc/Propadrol cycle intense for 4 weeks. The mood issue is the only thing I am worried about as well. I don't want to flip out at work or in a club or worse in the gym. I know we're all decent guys with good morals and think before even saying something bad to someone but when you're on cycle, boy does that change. It's not even the big things that will trigger you, it's the smallest things in the world that get to you.
 
AlexParty said:
It's cool, I think I was being a little uptight on the response. See I haven't logged on here for maybe 3 years now. I came back to find a decent cycle to run and honestly I have been in arguments with at least 5 members now, all who have started so I guess I'm in the mode to already assume an argument so my bad. Let me know how your cycles go because I bought P-plex and M-Drol but I don't know how they are compared to the originals. Right now I am going to do a Havoc/Propadrol cycle intense for 4 weeks. The mood issue is the only thing I am worried about as well. I don't want to flip out at work or in a club or worse in the gym. I know we're all decent guys with good morals and think before even saying something bad to someone but when you're on cycle, boy does that change. It's not even the big things that will trigger you, it's the smallest things in the world that get to you.
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Yessir it does. I think I need to have more sleep because I haven't been functioning correctly for the last couple days, including this morning. I think this compound needs more like 9-10 hours for sleep. Oh, also, for the last two nights I thought "might as well kick it up to three tabs for a few days." Kicked it up yesterday as well, and I weight 196 empty stomach this mornin!
 
Brian5225 said:
Awesome, thanks. I've heard good things about it, esp relating to both mood and sleep, so I might just check it out! Haha, yeah the drill sargeant fell asleep at his post probably the day before yesterday and hasn't been too attentive lately. Thanks for the DC bro, got it;) Oh, jus outta curiosity, what is DTH? I've been hearing about it lately, but I haven't been able to figure out what exactly it is.
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DTH = Diesel Test Hardcore
 
AlexParty said:
It's cool, I think I was being a little uptight on the response. See I haven't logged on here for maybe 3 years now. I came back to find a decent cycle to run and honestly I have been in arguments with at least 5 members now, all who have started so I guess I'm in the mode to already assume an argument so my bad. Let me know how your cycles go because I bought P-plex and M-Drol but I don't know how they are compared to the originals. Right now I am going to do a Havoc/Propadrol cycle intense for 4 weeks. The mood issue is the only thing I am worried about as well. I don't want to flip out at work or in a club or worse in the gym. I know we're all decent guys with good morals and think before even saying something bad to someone but when you're on cycle, boy does that change. It's not even the big things that will trigger you, it's the smallest things in the world that get to you.
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As for the p-plex IMO it's just as good as the original. It's just 99% pure, not 100% like AX version. I have yet t try m-drol as I am using Designer Supps bulk Superdrol powder for my current cycle. I made an oral suspension ou of it. Just in case you were wondering, there was NO bunk batch of CEL M-Drol. They tested the rws, had 1000's of bottles tested before they were shipped out, AND MANY customers sent back bottles that tested out fine. Check out Pantera101's log on m-drol. He gained about 10lbs from a 10/10/10 dosing scheme. Not too shabby. Also, about your mood while on Epi/Propadrol, I think it'd be great! Epi is so far my favorite compound. My libido was off the charts the entire time I was on it. I've never used propadrol though, so that may effect your mood in a negative manner, i'm not sure.
 
bassgod272 said:
As for the p-plex IMO it's just as good as the original. It's just 99% pure, not 100% like AX version. I have yet t try m-drol as I am using Designer Supps bulk Superdrol powder for my current cycle. I made an oral suspension ou of it. Just in case you were wondering, there was NO bunk batch of CEL M-Drol. They tested the rws, had 1000's of bottles tested before they were shipped out, AND MANY customers sent back bottles that tested out fine. Check out Pantera101's log on m-drol. He gained about 10lbs from a 10/10/10 dosing scheme. Not too shabby. Also, about your mood while on Epi/Propadrol, I think it'd be great! Epi is so far my favorite compound. My libido was off the charts the entire time I was on it. I've never used propadrol though, so that may effect your mood in a negative manner, i'm not sure.
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The new p-plex is supposed to be almost 20mgs per pill. I have never had the original, But these new p-plex sound pretty strong. That is good and bad b/c some people might not now how strong they are and be taking a lot higher dose.
 
Pre workout guys.

No other sides but man I feel like sh!t. Fatigued, headache, back hurts, no energy, lethargic, etc. I stocked up on phera just in case of a ban, but at this point I'm not sure if I would use it even if I had tons of it. Up 11 pounds, but I feel terrible. Lookin forward to the bridge, maybe it would help even everything out. I'll update later after workout, but I can tell right now it most likely won't be anything special.
 
Workout was alright, strength is definately more pronounced. Even though I was fatigued, I still had a pretty good pump. Funny thing, this arrogant prick that I haven't seen in about 6 months came into the gym while I was working out, and his eyes bulged out and he said "Holy sh!t dude you look like a fkin bodybuilder!". Little bit of a confidence boost to say the least, especially comin from that prick.
 
Brian5225 said:
Workout was alright, strength is definately more pronounced. Even though I was fatigued, I still had a pretty good pump. Funny thing, this arrogant prick that I haven't seen in about 6 months came into the gym while I was working out, and his eyes bulged out and he said "Holy sh!t dude you look like a fkin bodybuilder!". Little bit of a confidence boost to say the least, especially comin from that prick.
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just from that i can tell that the next time the guy sees u hes gonna be like "dude where did u get ur juice, can u hook me up?" lol
 
Brian5225 said:
Workout was alright, strength is definately more pronounced. Even though I was fatigued, I still had a pretty good pump. Funny thing, this arrogant prick that I haven't seen in about 6 months came into the gym while I was working out, and his eyes bulged out and he said "Holy sh!t dude you look like a fkin bodybuilder!". Little bit of a confidence boost to say the least, especially comin from that prick.
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I love it when stuff like that happens!!!!

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Damn right! Oh, also, feeling much better now. Had a couple of mood swings today, got pretty bad, but now I'm feeling a lot better. Just outta curiosity, does anyone know if a tren product and an epi product stacked will cause a positive drug test? Got a friend powerlifting and he's gotta get a drug test before his next meet.
 
Brian5225 said:
Damn right! Oh, also, feeling much better now. Had a couple of mood swings today, got pretty bad, but now I'm feeling a lot better. Just outta curiosity, does anyone know if a tren product and an epi product stacked will cause a positive drug test? Got a friend powerlifting and he's gotta get a drug test before his next meet.
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i'm almost 100% sure that he would test positive. anyone else feel free to chime in. the tren product (19-nor) converts to dienolone, so i'm sure that'd make for a positive result. the epithio compound though, i don't really know.
 
hey brian, cool log .. i missed out from the beginning .. but i was wondering .. what was ure weight after the 3rd week of p-plex ? damn shoulda kept up with this from the beginning ..bc im running a same cycle without the mdrol.

oh and did you get your hands on trenadrol ?
 
Brian5225 said:
Damn right! Oh, also, feeling much better now. Had a couple of mood swings today, got pretty bad, but now I'm feeling a lot better. Just outta curiosity, does anyone know if a tren product and an epi product stacked will cause a positive drug test? Got a friend powerlifting and he's gotta get a drug test before his next meet.
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If he is getting tested for steroids he would fail. You just have to find out how long that would stay in your sytem.
 
Yeah, well it's his own doing. He was taking it without any PCT lined up or anything, so I tell ya what, he reaps what he sows.

Today I feel much better than I did yesterday. I was 194.5 this morning. No mood swings today so far at all. Yesterday sucked, I was sick to my stomach most of the day, didn't want to eat, and I had pretty bad mood swings. Today is much better though. Feel good, been in a good mood all day, and funny thing is, I only got 7 hours of sleep last night. Acne hasn't been bad at all this cycle. No shedding, no back pumps today. I feel pretty good and powerful through this cycle so far. Thing is, I think I'm not prone to many androgenic sides. Worst thing I've had from androgenic sides is mood swings, but besides that nothing. And got everything today bass, thanks man!
 
No, right now I'm dosing 75mg Trena, to 45mg P-Plex (Which according to the recent report, the actual dosage is more like 57mg). Next week I'm dropping the phera down to 15mg (Report says 19.2mg) with 10mg M-Drol. I'll carry 75mg Trena with it till the last 2 weeks, kick it to 100mg.
 
oh i see, did you ever do 45mg of phera or stuck with 30mg in week3 ?

also ure weight looks pretty solid, have u gotten a chance to measure up your bf ?
 
I've been on 45mg phera for the last few days. My bf seems to be about the same. The scale says I've increased bf, but I'm more defined and more vascular so I'm not going to believe it.
 
Brian5225 said:
Yeah, well it's his own doing. He was taking it without any PCT lined up or anything, so I tell ya what, he reaps what he sows.

Today I feel much better than I did yesterday. I was 194.5 this morning. No mood swings today so far at all. Yesterday sucked, I was sick to my stomach most of the day, didn't want to eat, and I had pretty bad mood swings. Today is much better though. Feel good, been in a good mood all day, and funny thing is, I only got 7 hours of sleep last night. Acne hasn't been bad at all this cycle. No shedding, no back pumps today. I feel pretty good and powerful through this cycle so far. Thing is, I think I'm not prone to many androgenic sides. Worst thing I've had from androgenic sides is mood swings, but besides that nothing. And got everything today bass, thanks man!
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no problem bro, enjoy!
 
Alright guys, heres an update. Now before I post this, gotta say, yes I was a bad boy, no need to flame me dudes. I went to a birthday party for one of my friends last night, was drinking socially, but before I realized it, I was drunk. My friends gf had to drive me home, and I just left my truck there, that's how bad it was. It was an irresponsible move on my part I know, but don't flame me guys. What bothered me was this morning my heart rate was elevated to about 95-100bpm. Its normally about 64bpm. It lowered down to normal range at around 3 o'clock or so, but still it scared me nonetheless. No more drinking on cycle for me, I learned my lesson here boys:thumbsup: Oh, and I didn't have a hangover at all. Little off balance when I first woke up, but no headache, didnt vomit or anything.

Irritability is still up, but I feel like everything has kinda leveled off with the phera. Bridge starts tomorrow boys!
 
Hey guys, 196 this morning:thumbsup:

I'll post back after my workout later this morning. Starting the bridge today!
 
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