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Oxyelite pro (new version) powder &pills illness

Or brother companies... step children... in laws... kissing cousins if you will
 
Spaniard said:
Sister companies hahaha!!!

And someone a page or two back said no I think
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I haven't seen anything to imply that, except for mw1 posting it and never backing any of it up.

It doesn't necessarily mean they aren't, but all the PES reps stand by the fact that they aren't affiliated.
 
My curiosity is for enhanced... same ingredient possibly affiliated company. I've still never tried it so I'm wondering if maybe I should pick a tub up just in case.
 
jimbuick said:
I haven't seen anything to imply that, except for mw1 posting it and never backing any of it up.

It doesn't necessarily mean they aren't, but all the PES reps stand by the fact that they aren't affiliated.
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Time will show...just like Craze;)
 
Spaniard said:
My curiosity is for enhanced... same ingredient possibly affiliated company. I've still never tried it so I'm wondering if maybe I should pick a tub up just in case.
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Pick up a tub. You will love it
 
Spaniard said:
Deff going to wait and see how everything pans out first.
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Oh yeah well if the cases are link to the aegeline then that is a wise move.
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh yeah well if the cases are link to the aegeline then that is a wise move.
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FWIW, my buddy used versa 1 for an 8 week run right after its release, no liver failure.


I've been using enhanced regularly all month, no liver failure.

So, the aegeline idea seems fairly farfetched based on my experience with the ingredient.
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh yeah well if the cases are link to the aegeline then that is a wise move.
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The problem the FDA had/has with Aegeline is that it supposedly is not found in the food supply, so it's not DSHEA compliant. The reason for the confusion, is that aegeline is the only common ingredient in the products that supposedly caused the liver problems/non-viral hepatitis. So the doctors are just assuming based on clearing circumstantial evidence, that aegeline is the cause.

FDA="Aegeline is not found in the food supply!, It's not DSHEA compliant!"

Doctors="Aegeline must be the cause of sickness because it's the only commonality in all the products!"
 
T-Bone said:
The problem the FDA had/has with Aegeline is that it supposedly is not found in the food supply, so it's not DSHEA compliant. The reason for the confusion, is that aegeline is the only common ingredient in the products that supposedly caused the liver problems/non-viral hepatitis. So the doctors are just assuming based on clearing circumstantial evidence, that aegeline is the cause.
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Not worth it man lol... I like my health :D
 
T-Bone said:
The problem the FDA had/has with Aegeline is that it supposedly is not found in the food supply, so it's not DSHEA compliant. The reason for the confusion, is that aegeline is the only common ingredient in the products that supposedly caused the liver problems/non-viral hepatitis. So the doctors are just assuming based on clearing circumstantial evidence, that aegeline is the cause.
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So its just speculation? That's pretty poor.
 
T-Bone said:
The problem the FDA had/has with Aegeline is that it supposedly is not found in the food supply, so it's not DSHEA compliant. The reason for the confusion, is that aegeline is the only common ingredient in the products that supposedly caused the liver problems/non-viral hepatitis. So the doctors are just assuming based on clearing circumstantial evidence, that aegeline is the cause.

FDA="Aegeline is not found in the food supply!, It's not DSHEA compliant!"

Doctors="Aegeline must be the cause of sickness because it's the only commonality in all the products!"
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That isn't true, is it?


I could've sworn that they said it wasn't just the new OEP and that the OG version with DMAA was also the formula used in some of the cases. Although, I know you followed this much more closely than I did.
 
I trust PES and my two tubs have treated me well so i'll continue to use.
 
jimbuick said:
That isn't true, is it?


I could've sworn that they said it wasn't just the new OEP and that the OG version with DMAA was also the formula used in some of the cases. Although, I know you followed this much more closely than I did.
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It is true. They did mention the original version with DMAA, but that was just for history's sake because supposedly it caused heart attacks or something like that. I believe it was just part of the story when they were discussing the history of Usp Labs.
 
Jiigzz said:
I trust PES and my two tubs have treated me well so i'll continue to use.
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A lot of people trusted DS... a lot of people trust USP, not saying one way or another on what I think. I've just learned to be cautious in the supplement world.
 
I'm sure the FDA doesn't like the fact USP fought them on DMAA, so any chance to go after them would be a treat. Regardless it does seem odd that this only occurred in Hawaii. Hopefully they get to the bottom of it and don't just let it fade away, leaving everyone clueless as the cause. Were all the cases acute hepatitis?
 
McBurly said:
I'm sure the FDA doesn't like the fact USP fought them on DMAA, so any chance to go after them would be a treat. Regardless it does seem odd that this only occurred in Hawaii. Hopefully they get to the bottom of it and don't just let it fade away, leaving everyone clueless as the cause. Were all the cases acute hepatitis?
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It has been stated that because Hawaii is small, that localizing the issue would be far easier than if it occurred in the U.S. Over here in NZ, a million miles from the U.S, we have had one case of the exact same thing occurring in someone who had used the product. That to me is to much of a coincidence.
 
It's not just in Hawaii anymore. According the article I posted there are now 56 confirmed cases total.

Article linked said:
CDC is reportedly aware of other cases in the mainland United States associated with OxyElite Pro. A spokesperson for the health agency told INSIDER CDC had confirmed 56 cases as of yesterday. She declined to provide further details, including the number of individuals who have been hospitalized.
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It was said Versa-1 was found to contain a designer steroid during it's initial release.
Any truth to that? (Ill see if I can find the link).

Companies have done that in the past, spike the initial batches, people gain from the product, praise how great it is in their logs, then the remaining batches are herbal and don't do too much. Shady and dangerous if that really was the case with Versa-1.

"and VERSA-1, which the group's tests on a sample purchased in February found the anabolic agent methylclostebol".


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Power-Lift said:
It was said Versa-1 was found to contain a designer steroid during it's initial release.
Any truth to that? (Ill see if I can find the link).

Companies have done that in the past, spike the initial batches, people gain from the product, praise how great it is in their logs, then the remaining batches are herbal and don't do too much. Shady and dangerous if that really was the case with Versa-1.

"and VERSA-1, which the group's tests on a sample purchased in February found the anabolic agent methylclostebol".


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read the entire story...
 
Just saw on the news, FDA still investigating primary ingredient they looking at is aegline. But also trying to see if it was a bad batch sent to hawaii. They cannot pin-point the bad batch because of different lot numbers sent to hawaii.
 
808shredded said:
Just saw on the news, FDA still investigating primary ingredient they looking at is aegline. But also trying to see if it was a bad batch sent to hawaii. They cannot pin-point the bad batch because of different lot numbers sent to hawaii.
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Which is why I think that a shipment was tampered with.
 
USPlabsRep said:
read the entire story...
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I did, and I really didn't believe it anyways. Just because it's in USA Today, or on the web, doesn't make it true...
Hopefully USP gets to prove that they were not at fault. I hate to see Gov't get any upper hand in the supplement industry.
 
Power-Lift said:
It was said Versa-1 was found to contain a designer steroid during it's initial release.
Any truth to that? (Ill see if I can find the link).

Companies have done that in the past, spike the initial batches, people gain from the product, praise how great it is in their logs, then the remaining batches are herbal and don't do too much. Shady and dangerous if that really was the case with Versa-1.

"and VERSA-1, which the group's tests on a sample purchased in February found the anabolic agent methylclostebol".

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I think I remember someone claiming it had Mbol in it but I'm sure that's total crap.
 
Montego1 said:
I think I remember someone claiming it had Mbol in it but I'm sure that's total crap.
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An agency whose name eludes me but even PA who doesnt seem to show favour to USP defended them (well that the list was bogus).
 
Jiigzz said:
An agency whose name eludes me but even PA who doesnt seem to show favour to USP defended them (well that the list was bogus).
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USDA I think.

They say that all kinds of **** is laced with illicit substances, but for some reason everyone only brings it up for Versa-1.
 
Now's the time to pickup Versa-1. It's on sale!
 
I'm still waiting to hear about the test results. Supposedly some of the bad products were sent off to a lab for testing. FDA recall on products with aegeline but without definitive proof that that is what is causing the hepatitis. Only reason for the recall is because the FDA believes that aegeline is not a natural substance and not found in the food supply. Seriously, if it was that ingredient causing it, there would be a hell of a lot more outbreaks.
 
Just keeps raising more questions about what's really going on.

But a good point is raised: if aegeline was the cause, there would indeed be more cases all around.
 
T-Bone said:
I'm still waiting to hear about the test results. Supposedly some of the bad products were sent off to a lab for testing. FDA recall on products with aegeline but without definitive proof that that is what is causing the hepatitis. Only reason for the recall is because the FDA believes that aegeline is not a natural substance and not found in the food supply. Seriously, if it was that ingredient causing it, there would be a hell of a lot more outbreaks.
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Taking a contaminated product or consuming an ingredient does not equal becoming sick. Some people may have underlying issues that mean they are more susceptible to developing issues or perhaps have elevated liver enzymes without knowing.
 
Jiigzz said:
Taking a contaminated product or consuming an ingredient does not equal becoming sick. Some people may have underlying issues that mean they are more susceptible to developing issues or perhaps have elevated liver enzymes without knowing.
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Yeah, but seeing the amount of people taking Versa-1 double and even quadruple dosing it and it being on the market for this long, if aegeline was to have been the culprit, something should have surfaced at this point.
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah, but seeing the amount of people taking Versa-1 double and even quadruple dosing it and it being on the market for this long, if aegeline was to have been the culprit, something should have surfaced at this point.
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...Dumb asses. No offense, but doubling and quadrupling dosage on a brand new ingredient to the market is not smart.
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah, but seeing the amount of people taking Versa-1 double and even quadruple dosing it and it being on the market for this long, if aegeline was to have been the culprit, something should have surfaced at this point.
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Oh I know, which is why I don't think its the aegeline,i was just saying that that may be a reason the incidence rate is low
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh I know, which is why I don't think its the aegeline,i was just saying that that may be a reason the incidence rate is low
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Hope they release the details of their analysis on the recalled products. Also hoping that further development for aegeline will come about. Would love to know what the effects of it on humans are and at what doses.
 
Jiigzz said:
Oh I know, which is why I don't think its the aegeline,i was just saying that that may be a reason the incidence rate is low
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Well if its not naturally occurring then it doesnt matter what the labs say' they will just have to stop using it
 
mw1 said:
Well if its not naturally occurring then it doesnt matter what the labs say' they will just have to stop using it
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This is probably the least of their problems. Could be looking at lawsuit heaven. I'm assuming they are ready to attempt to prove it wasn't their products though?
 
Geoforce said:
This is probably the least of their problems. Could be looking at lawsuit heaven. I'm assuming they are ready to attempt to prove it wasn't their products though?
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Actually it can be a very big problem for them. If the FDA shows they continuously put non-compliant ingreds in products then they can really stick it to them. Just like they are trying to do with Hi tech
 
Saw on the news last night, all oep versions is pulled off shelves nationwide. They say aegline is the ingredient that caused those liver ailments. Scary. So what about other companies that contain this ingredient in their products?
 
808shredded said:
Saw on the news last night, all oep versions is pulled off shelves nationwide. They say aegline is the ingredient that caused those liver ailments. Scary. So what about other companies that contain this ingredient in their products?
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Good question. Nothing definitive proven as of yet though.
 
Just saw these updated stories,

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Notice that they said no one exceeded recommended dosages. Also notice that they still haven't found a cause for the liver issues.
 
All I know is that if OxyElite is found NOT to be at blame for those liver failures, there's going to be a serious slander/libel suit against major media outlets.
 
Piston Honda said:
All I know is that if OxyElite is found NOT to be at blame for those liver failures, there's going to be a serious slander/libel suit against major media outlets.
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What a disaster...

How about this approach:

100 people use OEP powder

50 of them get "sick" / have adverse affects

50 of them do not at all.

Is OEP the blame?? It's completely circumstantial and inconclusive.
 
Piston Honda said:
All I know is that if OxyElite is found NOT to be at blame for those liver failures, there's going to be a serious slander/libel suit against major media outlets.
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Nah, media will be fine either way. USP screwed either way because of the aegeline and damages would be beyond problematic due to reputation in community due to DMAA and now use of aegeline. I have tried a lot of defamation cases in the commercial and entertainment setting and would not consider this one.

I am impressed with De__eb 22 million estimation in losses. Funny how a couple of guys gave him crap about that number . . .

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"In addition to the $8 million loss this spring, it's now estimated that USPLabs will lose out on $22 million of value between the stocks of OxyElite Pro and VERSA-1 that have been recalled and/or destroyed."

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