OTC PCT is a waste of time and money.

? Im confused on what you mean? On hand? Yes a serm on hand just if gyno comes up? I mean what pct did you do? Or what pct will ya say is best to go with ?
 
In the past i've used both OTC and non-OTC and didn't notice a huge difference. I started with low testosterone levels before every cycling anything though so your results may vary :)
 
Pika, just create your own thread. seriously, the bulk of the 3rd page of a general discussion of OTC has been consumed by your own personal questions about your cycle.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Another one of these threads?

If you have a SERM, consider yourself taken care of in the homeostasis recovery department.

However, do not expect your libido to fair well, do not expect glycogen retention and muscle fullness to fair well, do not expect energy and intensity in the gym, and do not expect estrogen to go down.

I agree, supplements aimed at homeostasis recovery will never work as efficiently as a SERM. But if you think recovery is the only aspect of sustaining gains that is retarded and so one-dimensional that its retarded in itself.

I have seen guys on here come off SD into testosterone and still lose weight and strength, and you think a simple old SERM will take care of gains? Reaching homeostasis is way over rated in terms of keeping gains. Wayyyy over rated.

There are other departments besides homeostatsis recovery which mean a lot for keeping gains. Take some Need2slin to sustain high glycogen and muscle fullness, take some creatine if you want the energy through ATP, strength, and muscle fullness. Take some Forma-stanzol near the ending of your PCT to drop risen estrogen levels due to SERM. If you want to be banging your wife or girlfriend during PCT get some HCGenerate.

Notice I am not mentioning products aimed at recovery because a SERM is all you need for that. But if you wanna hit PCT hard and optimize every aspect of it for gain retention, you should really add some good supplements.

A SERM on its own only raises LH levels. How much do you really expect that to help in sustaining new fragile muscle? Wouldn't you think shuttling nutrients through insulin mimickers and shuttling glycogen in the muscle is not useful for PCT? There is way more to the story than a SERM.

SERM first. Everything else around it. And if you choose the right sh*t it wont be a waste of money. Pick good supplements for:

Glycogen
ATP
Muscle fullness
Strength
Libido
Insulin mimickers
Estrogen control

Don't buy sh*t aimed at "recovery." It's money down the drain if you already have a SERM.
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the point i was making is that an OTC AI is never going to do a better job at HPTA restoration as a SERM

all the other stuff you mention will obviously be helpful, but I wouldn't consider that so much PCT, thats more just supplements. The obvious goal is to restore LH as quickly as possible and recover the hormone levels. All the other crap is just icing on the cake;

for sex hormone recovery purposes; which 99% of us are worried about, its down to

OTC AI like novedex bullcrap + some tribulus bullsh*t, or a SERM and a real AI.
 
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