OTC PCT Dosage(s)

Ziquor said:
I can see running nothing for H-Drol/clones. Even when pulsing Epi/Havoc naturals can be used most of the time. But when running a stronger PH or real gear for that matter ED? I know 3 people just on AM alone who ran a PH and not a actual SERM afterwards who all suffered something life changing. Two got gyno which keeps re-occuring & one lost his libido completely - it slowly got worse & worse until he had bloodwork done and found his body was barely producing natural testosterone whatsoever. Now all 3 have to take prescription meds for life and with just a few weeks of a proper post cycle therapy all these issues could've been avoided. At least this is what the doctors say but then again what they hell do they know.
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How do they know they have to be on meds the rest of their lives? How in the world could ANY Dr. know this so far down the line???

Ok I REALLY got a raise the BS flags on this.

So 3 out of 3 guys who did prohormone cycles with NO PCT now are on meds for life?

Ziquor you asked Roid Gracie for names and I think we should be able to ask the same of you.

So by your story then those hundreds of thousands of guys who ran REAL test, DBOL, DECA only cycles etc back in the 60s, 70s and 80s when 99% of the people knew NOTHING about PCT must all be on meds the rest of their lives :toofunny:

Come on man we get it you want everyone to use research chems or to get a prescription from an online drug store no need to post stuff like you are now posting.

Bottom line we all make our own decisions on what to do or not to do in life as well as with our prohormone or AAS cycles. And everyone else is free to do it the way they think they should do it.


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
How do they know they have to be on meds the rest of their lives? How in the world could ANY Dr. know this so far down the line???

Ok I REALLY got a raise the BS flags on this.

So 3 out of 3 guys who did prohormone cycles with NO post cycle therapy now are on meds for life?

Ziquor you asked Roid Gracie for names and I think we should be able to ask the same of you.

So by your story then those hundreds of thousands of guys who ran REAL test, DBOL, DECA only cycles etc back in the 60s, 70s and 80s when 99% of the people knew NOTHING about post cycle therapy must all be on meds the rest of their lives :toofunny:

Come on man we get it you want everyone to use research chems or to get a prescription from an online drug store no need to post stuff like you are now posting.

Bottom line we all make our own decisions on what to do or not to do in life as well as with our prohormone or anabolic steroids cycles. And everyone else is free to do it the way they think they should do it.


CROWLER
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I can ask them to post in here - I know P will. And I never said 3 out of 3. Maybe that came out wrong or maybe it was misunderstood. I was saying I know of 3 ppl who didn't use proper PCT on AM alone. I've talked to MANY people on AM but 3 in particular posted such info. And as for meds for life... Example the guy who has to take test therapy just to have normal test levels - do you ever see that just magically clearing up & his test levels going back to normal? Doubt it. The big problem with the thread here & a few others is a company shouldn't be able to tell people that their 'natural' product can be used as a proper PCT without a scripted serm and you'll be ok (but as long as your wallets grow and/or free supps are available it's cool I guess). Post proof of this! Post studies! There are none. If you post info that proves via blood & other means that T-R can be used as a standalone SERM after a test cycle or after a super/clone cycle, I'll never post again on any forum for that matter. Otherwise I can't let me conscious let people tell others that a natural compound from grapes will prevent gyno & restore your body to normal after a cycle. I used to buy many of your products & have tremendous respect for you guys. And no not many guys from the 60's or 70's used proper pct's. But they're also mostly all dead now. BTW I will be running a cycle with a full log in the Steroid forum. I picked P-Plex since it's the middle of the road in terms of sides & recovery. I considered Super but I'm not willing to try that without a real post cycle therapy. I will take 2,400mg/day for 30 days of trans-resveratrol (double the dose in a lot of OTC PCT supps) with no scripted serm. I'll taper from 2,400/day to 1,200/day after 2 weeks & finish at 1,200/day. I will be posting bloodwork before & after - twice. I'm starting in about 2 weeks Feb. 24th).
 
I did epistane at 30/30/40/40/50 and did an OTC PCT. I kept ALL GAINS and strength actually went UP! Gained a little fat in PCT but obvi, that will happen.

I used PCS, 120 caps of 6-oxo and Retain2.

PCS 4 caps straight through
6-oxo = 600/600/300/200 i think> lol
retain 2 straight forward divded
 
Yeah Epi is known to be ok without a proper post cycle therapy for some - like I stated above. It's very mild like Halo.
 
I do have one more question though... How can someone preach about laws about SERM's and what's right or wrong and at the same time run/work for a company who's products are mostly all targeted towards people who are using illegal gear & substances anyhow?
 
Ziquor said:
I can ask them to post in here - I know P will. And I never said 3 out of 3. Maybe that came out wrong or maybe it was misunderstood. I was saying I know of 3 ppl who didn't use proper post cycle therapy on AM alone. I've talked to MANY people on AM but 3 in particular posted such info. And as for meds for life... Example the guy who has to take test therapy just to have normal test levels - do you ever see that just magically clearing up & his test levels going back to normal? Doubt it. The big problem with the thread here & a few others is a company shouldn't be able to tell people that their 'natural' product can be used as a proper post cycle therapy without a scripted serm and you'll be ok (but as long as your wallets grow and/or free supps are available it's cool I guess). Post proof of this! Post studies! There are none. If you post info that proves via blood & other means that T-R can be used as a standalone SERM after a test cycle or after a super/clone cycle, I'll never post again on any forum for that matter. Otherwise I can't let me conscious let people tell others that a natural compound from grapes will prevent gyno & restore your body to normal after a cycle. I used to buy many of your products & have tremendous respect for you guys. And no not many guys from the 60's or 70's used proper post cycle therapy's. But they're also mostly all dead now. BTW I will be running a cycle with a full log in the Steroid forum. I picked P-Plex since it's the middle of the road in terms of sides & recovery. I considered Super but I'm not willing to try that without a real post cycle therapy. I will take 2,400mg/day for 30 days of trans-resveratrol (double the dose in a lot of OTC PCT supps) with no scripted serm. I'll taper from 2,400/day to 1,200/day after 2 weeks & finish at 1,200/day. I will be posting bloodwork before & after - twice. I'm starting in about 2 weeks Feb. 24th).
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What??? WHOEVER said it could be used as a stand alone PCT for Test or Superdrol? :frustrate

DEFINITELY NOT me nor any of my representatives.

YOU are the one talking about this. Now I understand lol You had it wrong all along.

We have posted OVER and OVER and OVER that POST Cycle Support was developed for Epistane/Havoc PCT.

I am VERY glad to see we agree that POST Cycle Support would be fine to use during PCT

POST Cycle Support has been used by myself and a number of others who have been very happy with the results both as a stand alone PCT and as an add on to research chem PCT.


CROWLER



EDIT I just realized you probably are not understanding what we are saying about POST cycle Support.

Is it your understanding that we are saying ONLY use POST Cycle Support for PCT and NOTHING else? If so you are VERY mistaken. We have NEVER NEVER NEVER said this. So basically you are singing to the choir. But now I see you have decided to run a cycle with ONLY Resveratrol. Persoanlly I would NEVER do that but hey it is your balls do with them what you want :)
 
Ziquor said:
I do have one more question though... How can someone preach about laws about SERM's and what's right or wrong and at the same time run/work for a company who's products are mostly all targeted towards people who are using illegal gear & substances anyhow?
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Not preaching at all Ziquor just stating the facts as told to us by the leading AAS attorney who says claiming you have Torm, AIs etc for research would not hold up in court.

You say you want to let people know the facts perhaps you should talk to Rick Collins, I am guessing he has handled more AAs cases than your friend at the DEA.


CROWLER
 
It's quite funny all of this. I simply came on here & posted a government study on the effects of trans-resveratrol. I have since then been criticized over & over by many involved with a company who profits off it. If your so close to Ricky why don't you post his findings? I never once questioned that. Some guys on here from a couple different supp companies who profit off OTC PCT have stated they are against prescription SERM's and some have went far enough to say they feel they're not needed. But I'm glad with your above post we're both in agreement on this. My opinions are 100% unbiased as I have not 1 thing to lose OR gain from any of this. I never would have even posted any of this if I didn't have a reason. And what did I mention about law that I was wrong about? Please let me know because I only remember mentioning 1 thing that has to do with laws & it's fact but if there's something else I said which is wrong I'll be #1 to admit. As for RC, gimme a break. Everone knows the least trust worthy people around are insurance sellsman, politicians, & attorneys :jaw: I'm not going to name drop because there's no point but it wasn't you specifically, Crowler, that I'm talking about - but there was info posted somewhat recently by a company rep who seemed to be giving the advice of not needing a prescription serm after running a cycle. And the person they were saying this to was a newb with no experience or knowledge. This is what set me off from the beginning just thinking of what negative consequences could possibly occur due to this, not to mention it could cause HUGE trouble for the company he represents too, see my point? As for AI I have 3 bottles of your PCS not to mention a half dozen little tubs of Cycle Support (just wish they were bigger) and I think they're amazing products. But I apparently lost any chance I had of gaining some free supps... Peace
 
Ziquor said:
Some guys on here from a couple different supp companies who profit off OTC post cycle therapy have stated they are against prescription SERM's and some have went far enough to say they feel they're not needed. I'm not going to name drop because there's no point but it wasn't you specifically, Crowler, that I'm talking about - but there was info posted somewhat recently by a company rep who seemed to be giving the advice of not needing a prescription serm after running a cycle. And the person they were saying this to was a newb with no experience or knowledge. This is what set me off from the beginning just thinking of what negative consequences could possibly occur due to this, not to mention it could cause HUGE trouble for the company he represents too, see my point?

As for AI I have 3 bottles of your PCS not to mention a half dozen little tubs of Cycle Support (just wish they were bigger) and I think they're amazing products. But I apparently lost any chance I had of gaining some free supps... Peace
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Please link us to these posts by other supplement companies.

Thank you,


CROWLER
 
I'm telling you right now I did a heavy epistane cycle for 5 weeks and PCS and an AI got my nuts back to pornstar status in 1.5-2 weeks. My libido is great and my strength actually went up from the end of my cycle. I am VERY pleased with this product Crowler and I think its great that you madea product that is an alternative for people putting breast cancer liquid treatment in their body's. Yes SERM's need to be used for the "real stuff" but you dont need a SERM for a mild PH (I no epi is a steroid). You will do fine for the most part with an OTC PCT method at the right dosages. However, it is always smart to have a SERM on hand.


I have done PCT with Nolvadex and 6-oxo/pcs (2 times) and I can say that 6-oxo and PCS kills just plan nolvadex, imho. OTC PCT FTW!
 
Very nice of you to say Eagleman. MUCH appreciated.

The credit for POST Cycle Support goes to The Sinner, I agree he did a great job.


CROWLER
 
Ziqour,
Are you telling me no one has ever been arrested for possessing a medication which requires a prescription, when they didn't have a prescription? Those serms require a prescription, and, you could very well be arrested for possession of those substances if you don't have the script. Do I know anyone? No, I don't hang out in lifting or bb circles or with people using illegal substances.

Also, what were the compounds used by the the 3 individuals who are now completely ruined for life?

I have no affiliation with the makers of PCS, however, I do like their product and it does what I need it to do, and that is be a standalone serm for my light PH cycles. I have also seen their reps post that they would not advise it as a standalone for certain compounds, that this was not yet proven. They are offering a very helpful product for certain situations. You say it isn't appropriate for all compounds and that there can be damage...how about all the damage that is being done by people using prescription serms when they don't need to be or should NOT be used. It really goes both ways my brother. There is no one size fits all here. I will freely admit you will need a serm if you use certain compounds, however, I'm not seeing you capitulate that PCS alone is sufficient for other compounds.
 
I used to use serms but now due to the way they are cracking down, I will not take the chance. Rick Collins the famous Steroid Attourney says they are illegal, so that is good enough for me. There have been a few sites that sell these serms that got busted so they are definatly on the radar. I personally have used serms for Superdrol cycles and have used Novadex XT for my last 3 for PCT and I recovered fine. I never got my liver values tested before cycles but I've had then tested twice in the last year and they are good and no gyno. I am 2 and a half weeks into using AI'S PCT after an 8 week Superdril/MTRN cycle and all seems good so far, I am considering adding Novadex XT next week. Everyone reacts to compounds differently , so I can only say what works for me.
 
RoidGracie said:
Ziqour,
Are you telling me no one has ever been arrested for possessing a medication which requires a prescription, when they didn't have a prescription? Those serms require a prescription, and, you could very well be arrested for possession of those substances if you don't have the script. Do I know anyone? No, I don't hang out in lifting or bb circles or with people using illegal substances.

Also, what were the compounds used by the the 3 individuals who are now completely ruined for life?

I have no affiliation with the makers of PCS, however, I do like their product and it does what I need it to do, and that is be a standalone serm for my light PH cycles. I have also seen their reps post that they would not advise it as a standalone for certain compounds, that this was not yet proven. They are offering a very helpful product for certain situations. You say it isn't appropriate for all compounds and that there can be damage...how about all the damage that is being done by people using prescription serms when they don't need to be or should NOT be used. It really goes both ways my brother. There is no one size fits all here. I will freely admit you will need a serm if you use certain compounds, however, I'm not seeing you capitulate that PCS alone is sufficient for other compounds.
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Correct, people are arrested for having prescription meds all the time - but not NON-CONTROLLED prescription meds. Serm's are in the same level of prescription as Penicillin. How many people get arrested for having Penicillin without a script? None. With non-addictive uncontrolled meds you cannot & would never get arrested for possesing, authorities would NEVER pursue anyhow even if they could but in any case you'd never be 'arrested'. And this wasn't my point anyhow. There was some issues of people who thought of using PH's without a proper post cycle therapy and apparently maybe I misunderstood but as even others stated above you can't get away with a natural post cycle therapy for most PH's and gear. Sometimes with weak one like Halo & even sometimes Epi/Havoc but nothing stronger or more androgenic and in a lot of cases most "experts" would never say to go natural post cycle therapy, in fact ask Rick Collins I bet he'd never run anything without having a serm - if he was to run at all. The funniest thing is Gear and even some PH's are scheduled drugs - meaning they are much more illegal & you will get in much more trouble for possesing them than you would a serm, think about it. Some gear and a couple of PH's are illegal & not approved for any medical use whatsoever putting them in the same shcedule/class of drugs as Heroin & Crack. Two people get stopped by the police - 1 has Heroin & 1 has penicillin. The one with H WILL get arrested. The one with penicillin won't get shi!.
 
On a side note I understand that research chems are illegal. But the fact is according to FDA laws it is legal to purchase non-controlled meds online. Your order will go directly to a doctor who then writes you a script & forwards it to a pharmacy. So in the end in any of these cases you'd have a prescription anyhow. Invalid Link Removed <--- FDA Law. The only way buying meds online is illegal is if they are indeed controlled meds like Vicodin, Percs, Valium, etc. Serms are non-controlled like I've said one too many times now.
 
I read and reread that link you posted and must have missed it.

Could you quote and post where it says it is legal?

Thanks


CROWLER
 
CROWLER said:
I read and reread that link you posted and must have missed it.

Could you quote and post where it says it is legal?

Thanks


CROWLER
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Here's one of a couple + one linked at the bottom -->

However a provision was made to allow individuals to buy up to a 90-day supply of noncontrolled US FDA-approved prescription drugs in Canada and bring them back into the US without the threat of confiscation. President Bush signed into law the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Appropriations Act on October 4, 2006, which included a clause prohibiting officials of US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) from seizing up to a brought across the border from Canada into the US. Now, individuals can cross the border into Canada, buy up to a 90-day supply of noncontrolled (drugs that aren't dangerous) US FDA-approved prescription drugs, turn around, and come back across the border with their drugs into the US with no possibility of having those drugs taken from them.
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...Surprisingly, a number of prescription medications do not require a physical examination. Board certified physicians licensed to practice and licensed pharmacists practice and ensure these laws are not broken and will not dispense contolled substances such as narcotic pain medications. Legitimate web sites offer a limited number of medications that can be dispensed without a medical examination, instead using an online consultation. A thorough review of someones medical history from an online consultation is sufficient for non-controlled medications which include, but are not limited to, antibiotics, erectile dysfunction medications, non-narcotic cancer medications, and most antidepressants. An online questionnaire of an individuals medical history will let the doctor decide if the requested medication is suitable...
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Let's be clear on what we are debating.

You are saying it IS legal to mail order prescription meds correct?

If so your first example does NOT apply as what you quoted is for actually traveling to Canada.

The second quote you have please provide a link because that is not from the page you originally linked us to.

Thank you,


CROWLER
 
I just got back from the doctors. I decided to go there after work and see if they would prescribe me Tamoxifen for treatment on the case of gyno I have in my left side. This is NOT caused by AAS, it's something I developed during adolescence. I took with me a couple of pages highlighted with information on previous studies involving the use of Tamoxifen on male individuals with gyno etc. to back up my point. The doctor examined me and said she could feel the lump. She would NOT prescribe me Tamoxifen as she said this could end up causing whatever I have to flair up. Instead she gave me a slip to take to Radiology joint so that I could have an ultrasound to determine exactly what it is. As I was leaving she stressed for me NOT to take Tamoxifen. A lot of guys I have spoken to are running PHs and AAS and have absolutely no idea what PCT even stands for let alone what is required for one and they're pulling up fine. I spose I'll just have to listen to my body while running the M-DROL and play it safe. Any dramas and I'll end it early or switch to something milder. As previously mentioned I have ran Epistane at a high dose before without PCT and my blood work came back spot on.
 
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I have many other links as well including one from the FDA site which covers this more in-depth and it even includes a list of reliable online non-controlled medication sources - but that would be considered source posting. I already was threatened once & had one threads removed even though there wasn't any company names or specific products mentioned in it (why was that Crow? :toofunny:)


"The difference between a prescription controlled substance (like Valium) and a prescription non-controlled substance (like penicillin) in the US is that the first is illegal to buy, sell, transfer, or even POSSESS without a prescription. But the second class of non prescription drugs is perfectly legal to POSSESS without prescription. It's simply illegal to buy, sell or transfer it without one."
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I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that it is legal to order ANY prescription med online - non-controlled meds it is legal but this is only a small fraction of meds. Each thing you put up after one of my posts you put words in my mouth that I didn't say, why? No one likes the kid who takes his toys and goes home because the world isn't exactly how he wants it to be. Just the fact that certain reps obviously try & push people away from non-controlled SERM's so you can sell more product XXX is awful and no way to run a business. All the best products around sell themselves. I won't name-drop because I never do but how often do you see reps from company X pushing all over the threads like such? You don't and they still sell out on their products constantly. Why push people into buying something by making unwarranted claims based on opinions of someone who isn't even a nutritionalist or doctor? Like calling resveratrol a serm? Where's the link to this? When did the FDA classify an extract from grapes as a SERM? If they did post a link to it. The worst part about this is according the fda.gov website it's illegal to falsify claims about a supplement in a situation where it could have a negative impact on ones health (Example: calling resveratrol a serm). The only way this would be legal if the FDA classified it as such, and they don't. In an attorneys opinion he calls it a serm so that makes it one? Strange logic there. Why keep pushing the issue & continuing to hijack this thread? PM me if you wanna continue to argue - let's leave the thread for the original poster.


"Don't try and get a serm they're illegal! You'll be put in front of a firing squad or beheaded if you go that route! After your cycle of illegal steroids why take risks? Instead try Ziquor Support from Ziquor Labs! It'll work better anyhow and it's all natural! Just ask famed OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochrane"
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After all these posts I am still not understaning what you are saying.
Your posts are difficult to read because they are one big paragraph.

I will ask you again where is the link to the copy and paste you did above starting with

We may or may not be saying the same thing.

I am saying:

It IS illegal to order research sups online, in person any where.

I am also saying it is difficult or impossible to get a prescription for them from a real Dr. face to face. This is already proven by the post from a member 4 posts up.

What are you saying 2 or 3 sentences?

You are saying it is perfectly legal to go online and order research chems?

Are you saying it is perfectly legal to go online to a Dr. you never meet and get them to write you a script EVEN if they are from another country?




Thank you,


CROWLER
 
I would have to say, if an online pharmacy were to provide you with a copy of the prescription, written by an actual Doctor (not PHD....), you would might be ok. Short of that, I'm not buying this at all. I think it's very misleading and irresponsible to direct people or suggest they obtain research chems, and that this is completely legal, no worries at all. If something inside me and all I have learned tells me it would be a mistake to do it, it doesn't matter what someone says on a board....I know it's wrong. Do your roids and your harsh PH compounds, but know that you are taking a limited legal risk. Personally, I don't think any of it should be illegal and that in itself pisses me off, but that's another story. How many people died today from alcohol and cigarettes.....gov won't touch that though.
 
Wow!

well I just got my blood work back after a 4 week 10mg a day superdrol cycle: I am Screwed!!!

I did not react well at all to this cycle my ast is 80 normal 10-40

my ALT : 166!! Thats through the roof! normal 9-60

HDL Cholesterol : 21 should be over 40

LDL Cholesterol : 137 should be below 130

Any thoughts on how to get this under control? I am on cycle support right now and it does not seem to be doing much?
 
nottus said:
well I just got my blood work back after a 4 week 10mg a day superdrol cycle: I am Screwed!!!

I did not react well at all to this cycle my ast is 80 normal 10-40

my ALT : 166!! Thats through the roof! normal 9-60

HDL Cholesterol : 21 should be over 40

LDL Cholesterol : 137 should be below 130

Any thoughts on how to get this under control? I am on cycle support right now and it does not seem to be doing much?
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How long did you wait after the cycle to get your blood work done?
 
It was 10 days out. You think i should have waited 30 days? Now i have to go back in 4 weeks the doctor was freaking out at first asking idf i had hepatitis or drank everynight. It was actually funny the freakin front desk girls were like you need to eat less fat and no red meat and exercise more. I just started laughing I said i workout 6 days a week and dont eat red meat and only whole grain s etc. they just looked stupid it was classic! I finally told the doctor what i took and he was cool with it so i will see how i shape up in 4 weeks.
 
you are on cycle support, or Post Cycle Support? As you know, PCS has the trans-res, not cycle support, although many take cycle support in post cycle as well.
 
Im actually on both as well as activate xtreme for pct the reason i listed that i was on cycle support earlier was because i was talking about high cholesteriol and liver lipid levels and trying to get them down. I had never heard of a ALT level of 166 before thats like double the norm!!
 
Saw a thread yesterday, similar in that someone had trashed values, they ended up bouncing back. Other than responses here, I'd be searching all the Superdrol threads to see how people handled this post cycle.
Best of luck.
 
Nice thread guys... Sorry I cant add anything as I am 21 havent taken a serious ph as of yet and am still making nice gains by using a test booster, whey and eating a ton but once I hit that plateau i will experiment.

To be honest tho I dont know if I should tell Ziqour and Crowler to get a room or to keep debating...haha jk

But seriously even though Ive read a lot of great reviews there is no way you can give an unbiased opinion of your own product.
 
CROWLER said:
After all these posts I am still not understaning what you are saying.
Your posts are difficult to read because they are one big paragraph.

I will ask you again where is the link to the copy and paste you did above starting with

We may or may not be saying the same thing.

I am saying:

It IS illegal to order research sups online, in person any where.

I am also saying it is difficult or impossible to get a prescription for them from a real Dr. face to face. This is already proven by the post from a member 4 posts up.

What are you saying 2 or 3 sentences?

You are saying it is perfectly legal to go online and order research chems?

Are you saying it is perfectly legal to go online to a Dr. you never meet and get them to write you a script EVEN if they are from another country?




Thank you,


CROWLER
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I think what he is saying is this: There are several places online where you do an online consultation with a physician and obtain non-scheduled prescription medications. No face-to-face exam is necessary. This is done quite often with Viagra and the like. It can also be done with SERMS. This is a legal way to obtain prescription SERMS and other prescription medications that are not controlled substances. Not research chemicals. Real Nolvadex tabs, etc. Whether or not this can be done with online Canadian pharmacies or not I do not know.

On another note, possession of prescription medication for which you do not have a prescription is still illegal, but not on the level of a controlled substance. In most places it is a misdemeanor. It is not a felony like the possession of a controlled substance.
 
Atd

i've used otc post cycle therapys (novadex xt) for a PP cycle and SD cycle. My nuts came back in about 1.5 weeks and i kept 90% of my gains (12 pounds of lbm for PP and 15 lbm for SD) and I had no gyno. Although on my SD cycle i ran for 4 weeks at 20mg my libido took almost a month to come back, that sucked. I think SERMs are over pimped. Maybe if you run real gear or you are very sensitive to sdrol or pplex then yea a SERM is the way to go. Everyone is different I guess.
 
One thing to keep in mind though, with SD, the first cycle might be fine, but some got burned on the second one. Russian roulette with SD and PP it seems.
 
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