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OTC Hormone Chart

LegalGear said:
I'll look, but that doesn't mean it is orally active. This monstrosity was dosed at 3mg, which is Methyl Tren levels (17aMethylTrenbolone)
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I think it was compared to Methyl Test.
All oral active compounds in Vidas book are compared to either Dianabol or methyl test.
 
LegalGear said:
It looks very strange to be that potent for such an odd modification.
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Its way underdosed. The suggested dosage is 4.5mg. Even M1T has to be runed at at least 10mg to see effects.
I have run the Methoxy TRN at 19.5mg(13 capsules) and the results in both strenght and mass were amazing. I used 2 bottles of it (2 weeks) and gained 10lbs of bodyweight and 40lbs on my bench. At the moment its dirt cheap at discountsupplements.co.uk(7 pounds). I just purchased 12 bottles of it:drunk:. My advice is buy some, try it at at least 10 capsules and love it!:good:
 
mcgeier said:
I thought in Vidas book he mentioned a Trenbolone with a 17ß methoxy bound instead of a 17ß hydroxa. It has got an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 2000/2000. But Iam not sure.
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Correct, though from the results people had from Methoxy Trn this is quite unlikely the ingredient. Just like the Dienolone compounds, 17ß methoxy trenbolone should also have pretty decent oral bioavailability yielding equally impressive or greater results, but this didn't seem to be the case.
 
Mess said:
great thread, what about Dienedrone, where do you see it best fit.
Thx, Mess
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Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione converts to dienolone - same thing as Xtreme Tren, Tren Xtreme, etc, etc, etc.

I've said it before, but I'd love to see a pro-dienolone diol version. More potency mg for mg and it'd eliminate the possibility of pre-activity estrogen conversion.
 
hey ziqour, you're going to have to add The ONE soon :)

Name: 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine

Standard: Testosterone

Androgenic: 140

Anabolic: 380

Estrogenic Activity: none

Progestational Activity: none

Derivation/Analog of: Dihydrotestosterone
 
EasyEJL said:
hey ziqour, you're going to have to add The ONE soon :)

Name: 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine

Standard: Testosterone

Androgenic: 140

Anabolic: 380

Estrogenic Activity: none

Progestational Activity: none

Derivation/Analog of: Dihydrotestosterone
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What is this marketed as? Thanks!
 
Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-diol

Ziquor said:
Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione converts to dienolone - same thing as Xtreme Tren, Tren Xtreme, etc, etc, etc.

I've said it before, but I'd love to see a pro-dienolone diol version. More potency mg for mg and it'd eliminate the possibility of pre-activity estrogen conversion.
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Yeah, that would be a great PH, dry gains, no estrogen conversion, no liver damage, low risk of hairloss...

Yes, i want it too!!! :approve:
 
Where would trenadrol be on that list.?
 
Ziquor said:
I've noticed tons of newbs and general ?'s lately about how to use compound X without even knowing what it is. Hopefully this chart I made can help clear up some continous general questions. If there's any suggestions for additions or modifications let me know. I want to thank Mass_69 for helping with some updates!


Nomenclature/Chemical naming info:

For reference:

etioallocholan = 5a-androst = 'a skeleton' or 'a isomer'

etiocholan = 5b-androst = 'b skeleton' or 'b isomer'

17beta-hydroxy = 17b-ol

estra = 19-norandrost



1-AD (1-androstenedione) 1-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-dione

1-AD (1-androstenediol) 1-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-1-ene-3b,17b-diol

4-AD (4-androstenedione) 4-androstene-3b,17b-dione or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-dione

4-AD (4-androstenediol) 4-androstene-3b,17b-diol or androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

1,4AD (Boldione) 1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione or androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione

M1,4AD (Dianadiol) 17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol or 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

19-Tren X (Pro-Dienolone) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione or estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione

Max LMG 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

Orastan-A (Furazabol THP) 5a-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether

Orastan-E (Stanozol THP) [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17b-tetrahydropyranol

Halodrol-50 (Turinadiol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol

Promagnon-25 (Methyl-Clostediol) 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

Propadrol 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene-17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate

11-OXO (Adrenosterone) 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione or 11-oxo-androstenedione

Methoxy-TRN 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

Methoxy-TST 17b-methoxy-trienosterone

19-Nor (19-norandrostenediol) 19-nor-4-androsten-3b,17b-diol or 19-norandrost-4-ene-3b,17b-diol

5AA (5-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3b,17b-diol

M5AA (Mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstanediol

3-Alpha (3-alpha-androstanediol) 5a-androstane-3alpha,17b-diol

M1T (Methyl 1-Test aka 17aa-1-testosterone) 17a-methyl-1-androstene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol

Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol

Pheraplex (Madol or DMT) 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol

Ergomax LMG (Ergo Matrix) 17a-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane

Epithio (Havoc or Epistane) 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol

Methyl-D (Methyl Dienolone) 17a-methyl-19-Norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3-one-17b-ol or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9(10)-diene-3-one

M4OHN (Methylhydroxynandrolone) 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-19-norandrost-4-ene-3-one or 17a-methyl-4-hydroxy-estra-4-ene-3-one

4OHT (hydroxytestosterone) 4-hydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol or 4,17-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene-3-one

MDHT (methyl-DHT/mestanolone) 17a-methyl-5a-androstane-3-one








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Below is information such as estimated half life and A:A ratio's on certain compounds. I'll update more as I find further info as much of it is compiled from original manufacturer claims and as such this should be used for reference purposes only. If anyone sees anything they can add or change please let me know.

Anabolic to Androgenic ratio's based on original manufacture claims and Vida info. Note many other unseen factors come into play that aren't apparent in the ratio's such as progesterone activity, and how 'strongly' a compound binds to the androgen receptors. For example Masteron has a relatively low A:A ratio and a pretty low androgenic # of about 25 but it binds very strongly and/or with high affinity compared to other compounds. Q-Factor is the anabolic # divided by androgenic #. Some anabolics are listed with a 'range' for the most accurate possible estimate. Methyl Testosterone is the oral of which all other orals are compared, just as IM Test is to other injectibles:


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That is a nice chart that is very informative Z. I didnt know that Epi and Phera were similiar in chemical makeup. However; so are Dbol and EQ and they do 2 completly differen things. Good looking out bro.
 
Ziq, is this your blog?

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If not, someone jacked AM's work without giving credit to their source...
 
Quick update 4 ya

I noticed that you have 19 nor aka Tren X or X tren or 1 of the many different names it has listed as a pro hormone that converts to Nandrolone. This is not necessarily true. It is similar because they are both Progestins but 19 nor or estra 4-9 dione or what ever nomenclature it goes by is fully active and does not convert at all. Deca **** comes into play with all progestins but at the sweet spot it has libido increasing properties. Finding this sweet spot is just something you have to take the time to do and of course a little to much or too many cycles ran back to back of course depending on the person will totally shut you down. The only reason I bring this up is because Ive ran this cycle many times and love it and I spent a lot of time studying and reading up on it. It is very common that people think this is a pro hormone but it is not I promise you and it is one of the most versatile and one of the stronger OTC oral steroids you can take imo. In my experience it is far stronger than epistane which I also love and enjoy running these two together. I hope you take this into account and add it to your active list because thats where it belongs.
Thanx,
Bigtroop
 
bigtroop said:
I noticed that you have 19 nor aka Tren X or X tren or 1 of the many different names it has listed as a pro hormone that converts to Nandrolone. This is not necessarily true. It is similar because they are both Progestins but 19 nor or estra 4-9 dione or what ever nomenclature it goes by is fully active and does not convert at all. Deca **** comes into play with all progestins but at the sweet spot it has libido increasing properties. Finding this sweet spot is just something you have to take the time to do and of course a little to much or too many cycles ran back to back of course depending on the person will totally shut you down. The only reason I bring this up is because Ive ran this cycle many times and love it and I spent a lot of time studying and reading up on it. It is very common that people think this is a pro hormone but it is not I promise you and it is one of the most versatile and one of the stronger OTC oral steroids you can take imo. In my experience it is far stronger than epistane which I also love and enjoy running these two together. I hope you take this into account and add it to your active list because thats where it belongs.
Thanx,
Bigtroop
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Actually, the write up says estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione converts to dienolone (which is correct), and not nandrolone. It does still say that Max-LMG converts to nandrolone, which is incorrect (I mentioned that on page 2).
 
Estra 4-9 dione is the same thing just different nomenclature as 19 Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione which is a progestin and is totally active. They are the same compounds. Neither one of those compounds converts into anything and are totally active all on there own. They do not mix or get altered by any enzymes in the body.
 
bigtroop said:
Estra 4-9 dione is the same thing just different nomenclature as 19 Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione which is a progestin and is totally active. They are the same compounds.
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Dude, what are you talking about, that was already implied in my post.


bigtroop said:
Neither one of those compounds converts into anything and are totally active all on there own. They do not mix or get altered by any enzymes in the body.
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Neither compounds? It's the same compound, right?

Anyhow, where did you get that information? Tell me why prodienolone does not convert? How is it immune to the 17-HSD enzyme? Also, being a 17-keto, it's not going to bind well to the AR. Are you telling me that the anabolism reported is due to PgR binding?

Have you read this whole thread? I explained the conversions via 17-hsd & 3-hsd somewhere in here.
 
I am fairly new to the world of bodybuilding and do not know anybody who know anything about this stuff. I am researching and learning alot everyday...THIS HELPS A TON. I am saving it in a word file for future reference. NICE WORK...about time all the info is in simple terms.
 
Thanks for the great thread and the info in the 1st few post especially. Does the chart get updated often, or have we just been in a lull as far as new banned OTCs are concerned?
 
HEY ziquor er however its spelt.. i'm not pressing "back" .. whats Dymethazine and what would ur write up be on that, i was pretty sure i knew what it was but i've heard contradicting ideas lately
 
on the first part of the list it says "Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone)"... but im pretty sure that that compound is the same a dianabol. later on the chart, it doesnt make reference to dianabol as related to superdol's compound.

can someone clear this up for me? im very confused and just trying to understand it all
 
justeat said:
on the first part of the list it says "Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone)"... but im pretty sure that that compound is the same a dianabol. later on the chart, it doesnt make reference to dianabol as related to superdol's compound.

can someone clear this up for me? im very confused and just trying to understand it all
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I'm not sure where you got the dianabol relation with superdrol. SD is 17a-methyl-drostanalone, or 2a-methyl-mestanolone, or 2a,17a-dimethyl-DHT ;)

Superdrol - 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-3-one.

Dianabol - 17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-one.


Superdrol is 5a-reduced and missing the double-bonds at the 1 & 4 positions.
 
What's the half life of Propadrol?
 
M1t is banned, but there are sights to get it. It will cost you because of international shipping, but I know a sight that promises to get it to you safely. PM me if interested.
 
raynev said:
d-bol> mdrol ? by a lot or a little? in terms of gains?
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Its not that simple. dbol includes more bloat, but also leaves you feeling good, superdrol is leaner gains but leaves you feeling like crap. Dbol aromatizes so an AI can be important, superdrol doesn't.
 
Nice thread, I use it every time I'm choosing a new cycle. Figured I need to finally say THANKS!!
 
Very informational, as well as the other one that is in sticky. I happen to like the way this is presented, maybe its just the way that my brain processes information, but I found that I was able to get more of an understanding from this thread being new to the subject.

To be honest I didnt read every single post in every page. started scanning after a while. Hope I am not touching on an already asked question. --

First is about half life. Would you want to space out dosages based on half life? i.e. 5 hours of half life take every 5 hours(up to the total amount of mg your dosing for that day) or should you stick to a morning noon night schedule? Part B is about dosing, would you get more of an effect if your dosing coincides with your workout time?

Secondly, I understand the q-factor is not a definitive number on how strong the product is, due to what you said about binding, but would it give you a good general idea on whats stronger?

Also, I've learned that Anabolic means building effect of tissue, muscle etc, and Androgenic is 'male like' according to the source I was reading, meaning body hair, voice deepening, etc. Apparently the more anabolic and less androgenic it is, the more wanted effects and less unwanted effects you get right?

If you flame you flame, but thanks for takin the time to read it anyhow lol.
 
I dont know if its against forum rules diong this, but guys, come and look at my thread. I thinks its worth a look because it desperately needs some experienced people...

I'll call it Superioding (as in supereating)

anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/157651-annihilatin-adipose-southerncharm.html
 
OMFG thank you for posting this. I'm going to read this first thing tomorrow morning.
 
Hey Fellas, any suggestions (for Good Prohormones that are still left) before the FDA puts out another Hit List? Man, every time I think about it I just stare for a little while... and then blurt out F@&# YOOOUUUuuuuuu!!!!!!



alright. i'm better now.



no i'm not :soapbox:
 
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