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Ostarine Questions

sanmarino said it well

My bloodwork told me I got a bit supressed, and ended up with over max values of estrogen and prolactin.
These became normal in about 6-8 weeks... test levels shot up in a week ,and estrogen levels lowered .
Using arimistane did the trick. prolactin stayed high for about 8 weeks... until I used l-dopa-.. i noticed the effects of that very quickly. used itfor about 2 weeks, until I did not feel anyhting from it anymore, and after quitting, prolactin stayed low .

I finally got to see an endo. but by the time I got there, everything look great... so much for that.

But we had a good talk. having max range testosterone leves usually puts estrogen around max. Just like a cycle of test, needs an AI (she actually knew alot about that, so we had a nice talk, since she figured out I knew alot too) I like doctors who listens to patients :-) considering the level of muscle I have, low bf, now great libido again (now I know how much high prolactin affects libido ) I should just let it be, thats how my body likes it...

Now that I`m not using anything other than ARA, and prolactin is low, test levels are still high, estrogen hovers around max, but with the lowered prolactin, libido and strength (ara contributes to that aswell) is sky high.

If I want to self "medicate" supps with arimistane and l-dopa is enough...

Anyway, I`m not using ostarine again, not worth it FOR ME, considering ARA actually works 10 times better without the hormonal problems..
 
woodbear: which Ostarine product did you use? It should affect prolactin and estrogen...
If you used Ostarine as tablet or capsule: the risk of mixing it with other AAS or PH is high. I only use liquid variants of SARM, because of that problem. If I can avoid that, I will.

Furthermore, in most cases it's not possible to change the aggregate state of PH and AAS very easy (you can, but it's expensive and a lot of labs wouldn't do that because of lower margin).
Therfore, the risk of unclean/mixed Ostarine Product is lower.

The only unknown factor is now the conctent of the substance. Better to have no or slight Ostarine, than other products (like oral tren).
 
It sounds like one, indeed. If you researched well you would know, that Ostarine ist a derivate of Bicalutamid.
Why were the test subjects in the phase I study meno-pausal women? Because Bicalutamid has a teratogenic effect. The researchers suspected, that Ostarine would have a similar effect like the named compound. That means, if a pregnant women or a women who is able getting pregnant takes Bicalutamid, the would be a harmful impact on the ovaries or on the unborn child.

The similar thing for men: they should prevent until three months after Ostarine usage. After the three months all of the damaged sperm removed (with every ejaculation). The problem isn't that big for man than for women, because the haven't a unlimited number of ovaries.

In the next months (I expect at least in February/March), there will be a new study presentet with women (research on 9mg/ed). Interesting is, that in the actual study were women above 18 years authorized - that would mean, that the derivate of Bicalutamid (so called Ostarine) shoulnd't have any teratogenic effects.
GTX inc. couln't have made such a study, if there were a really harmful impact.

Nevertheless, if I were you, I would wait until the results were published, goodvibes.
 
i used o bol by brawn nutrition.
I can atleast say that their ATD (with arimistane) is as good (or better) than the old pes erase.
 
Interesting. A user on a german bodybuilding board also used O-Bol recently. An he wrote, that he used 20mg/ed over eight weeks and he was from time to time totaly aggressive. He nearly blew up at little things like your pencil fell on the floor.
In his PCT he was tearful and emotional.

That was definately not Ostarine, I guarantee that.

The risk of that normally prohormone-companys is the "accidential" mixture of prohormones and SARM. And according to all the studies made, Ostarine absolutely doesn't improve estrogen or prolactin levels.
 
sanmarino said:
Interesting. A user on a german bodybuilding board also used O-Bol recently. An he wrote, that he used 20mg/ed over eight weeks and he was from time to time totaly aggressive. He nearly blew up at little things like your pencil fell on the floor.
In his PCT he was tearful and emotional.

That was definately not Ostarine, I guarantee that.

The risk of that normally prohormone-companys is the "accidential" mixture of prohormones and SARM. And according to all the studies made, Ostarine absolutely doesn't improve estrogen or prolactin levels.
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Man, I probably would have liked it more if my ostarine was spiked with useful PH/DS tbh. Then at least it would have provided some gains. LoL.
 
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woodbear said:
sanmarino said it well

My bloodwork told me I got a bit supressed, and ended up with over max values of estrogen and prolactin.
These became normal in about 6-8 weeks... test levels shot up in a week ,and estrogen levels lowered .
Using arimistane did the trick. prolactin stayed high for about 8 weeks... until I used l-dopa-.. i noticed the effects of that very quickly. used itfor about 2 weeks, until I did not feel anyhting from it anymore, and after quitting, prolactin stayed low .

I finally got to see an endo. but by the time I got there, everything look great... so much for that.

But we had a good talk. having max range testosterone leves usually puts estrogen around max. Just like a cycle of test, needs an AI (she actually knew alot about that, so we had a nice talk, since she figured out I knew alot too) I like doctors who listens to patients :-) considering the level of muscle I have, low bf, now great libido again (now I know how much high prolactin affects libido ) I should just let it be, thats how my body likes it...

Now that I`m not using anything other than ARA, and prolactin is low, test levels are still high, estrogen hovers around max, but with the lowered prolactin, libido and strength (ara contributes to that aswell) is sky high.

If I want to self "medicate" supps with arimistane and l-dopa is enough...

Anyway, I`m not using ostarine again, not worth it FOR ME, considering ARA actually works 10 times better without the hormonal problems..
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What is ARA?
 
sanmarino said:
Hi there
SERM won't be needed for a Ostarine only cycle. I hope you know the whole function and processes of Ostarine, before you took it. As you know, the named compound ist escpecially for "elder" people very interesting. You can afford gains while there are (at the moment) nearly zero side effect. Especially I mean the prostata problem, which will be a huge truble if a elder person is taking Testosterone.

I recommend you to take before, mid and after cycle blood values. If the LH-value is under the limit, so you can think about a usage of clomid or tamox. But Ostarine doesn't affect/slightly affects the LH-value (with increased dosage it will be a bit supressed, but never shut down like on AAS). As long as the LH-value ist well, your other hormone values will recover very fast.

I'm acutally in my fourth cycle with SARM. This time I added the first time S4.
The length of my cycles were ten or eleven weeks. As miniPCT I just used DAA and a testbooster with herbal extracts (never underestimate the power of herbals).
My blood values were always well. In two of last three cycles I got a bit higher liver values (GPT 80 (normal <30), GOT and GGT were just 2-3 units above the upper limit). As you know, the GPT ist increasing at the slightest damage of the liver enymes whereas the GOT and the GGT only increase at heavy damage (for exemple by mixtures of alcohol and drugs or a simply Superdrol cycle).

But of course, I have every time an AI like Aromasin and a SERM like Tamoxifen at hands. Better be prepared, instead of beeing unprepared.

Long story short: it doesn't matter if you are 43 or 27: as long as the LH-value is in the range, you won't need SERM. A little Testosterone booster and DAA over three to four weeks will carry you.
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Thanks for your advice. This is actually my second cycle. My blood work checked out after the first one, however, I ran clomid in pct it helped me a lot, in terms keeping gains and reducing the lethargy.
My liver enzyme (ALT) was ok after the fist cycle. I will have an another blood test done after this cycle.
Yes as log as LH is in checked one should be alright. However, the study was done on elderly people and they only used 3 mg ostarine for 12 weeks, and there was a slight suppression on testestorne levels. I am using nearly 7 times higher dose than that study. There are reports coming out in similar forums everyday regarding how much ostarine is suppressive. Clomid worked fine after my first cycle and I don't see any harm using a serm after my current cycle either.
 
I understand, but clomid is one drug more, that you take. Despite you are on the safer side (even without a bloodwork) there are also side effects on clomid. And Ostarine is really weak in comparison to other oral AAS or PH. That is the benefit or SARM: they have a selective impact on the processes in the body.

Andy you had a Ostarine only cycle. I would certainly use my Tamoxifen, when I used to do a cycle with LGD-4033 and S4 at once. These compounds are clearly stronger in the effect - but also in side effects.
 
guys im 25 days in ostarine 20 mg ed but unfortunatetly i got sick yesterday and i dont want to continiue...im gonna start my pct i have atd,daa,nolva on hand which do u think iu should choose?
 
sanmarino said:
I understand, but clomid is one drug more, that you take. Despite you are on the safer side (even without a bloodwork) there are also side effects on clomid. And Ostarine is really weak in comparison to other oral AAS or PH. That is the benefit or SARM: they have a selective impact on the processes in the body.

Andy you had a Ostarine only cycle. I would certainly use my Tamoxifen, when I used to do a cycle with LGD-4033 and S4 at once. These compounds are clearly stronger in the effect - but also in side effects.
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How was your run with lgd4033? I'm considering that after ostarine
 
sanmarino said:
I understand, but clomid is one drug more, that you take. Despite you are on the safer side (even without a bloodwork) there are also side effects on clomid. And Ostarine is really weak in comparison to other oral AAS or PH. That is the benefit or SARM: they have a selective impact on the processes in the body.

Andy you had a Ostarine only cycle. I would certainly use my Tamoxifen, when I used to do a cycle with LGD-4033 and S4 at once. These compounds are clearly stronger in the effect - but also in side effects.
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You're kidding right? It's perfectly fine to take a likely suppressive experimental drug but you're wary about using clomid which has a mountain of solid data behind it and even makes you super fertile to boot?

Side effects to clomid? Yeah, most of the time when one is dosing it like an idiot because they see people posting how they should dose clomid at like 100/100/100/100 when realistically, 50 mg ED for the first month and then 25-50 mg EOD for the remainder of however long your PCT is would have been the right dosages to use.
 
kissdadookie said:
You're kidding right? It's perfectly fine to take a likely suppressive experimental drug but you're wary about using clomid which has a mountain of solid data behind it and even makes you super fertile to boot?

Side effects to clomid? Yeah, most of the time when one is dosing it like an idiot because they see people posting how they should dose clomid at like 100/100/100/100 when realistically, 50 mg ED for the first month and then 25-50 mg EOD for the remainder of however long your PCT is would have been the right dosages to use.
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Reps on recharge, but goddmmit you're on the money.

It really annoys me when I see sh1t like this.
 
kissdadookie said:
You're kidding right? It's perfectly fine to take a likely suppressive experimental drug but you're wary about using clomid which has a mountain of solid data behind it and even makes you super fertile to boot?

Side effects to clomid? Yeah, most of the time when one is dosing it like an idiot because they see people posting how they should dose clomid at like 100/100/100/100 when realistically, 50 mg ED for the first month and then 25-50 mg EOD for the remainder of however long your PCT is would have been the right dosages to use.
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Why should I make fun of this stuff?
Of course it's generally really stupid to take experimental drugs. But I don't see the point. We are here on a thread, which main topic an experimental drug is. There are also "stupid" people like me. And I appreciate the communication and share infos about updated news.

The only benefit of Clomid is to push the low LH-value. This one will get supressed in any AAS or PH cylce.
SARM are like AAS 2.0: they don't affect all the needed (and not needed) processes in our body -> they work selective. And one of the main benefit is the slight impact on the LH-value.

My values were still the same (+/- 0.2 Units) over eleven weeks with 20mg/ed (stand alone Osta).
Why should I use Clomid (even with 20mg/ed), when my LH is okay?

And I don't see the point to compare Clomid and Osta: of course you have more informations about Clomid. It is well studied over years. I'm not wary to use it. It is just sensless if it's clear (with s bloodwork) that the LH is in range.
Osta is not /slightly supressive (the more you are taking, the more supression you will get).

I just wrote that. But of course, you can take it every time if you want to. It was just for information. You don't have to use more drugs than needed.
 
sanmarino said:
Why should I make fun of this stuff?
Of course it's generally really stupid to take experimental drugs. But I don't see the point. We are here on a thread, which main topic an experimental drug is. There are also "stupid" people like me. And I appreciate the communication and share infos about updated news.

The only benefit of Clomid is to push the low LH-value. This one will get supressed in any AAS or PH cylce.
SARM are like AAS 2.0: they don't affect all the needed (and not needed) processes in our body -> they work selective. And one of the main benefit is the slight impact on the LH-value.

My values were still the same (+/- 0.2 Units) over eleven weeks with 20mg/ed (stand alone Osta).
Why should I use Clomid (even with 20mg/ed), when my LH is okay?

And I don't see the point to compare Clomid and Osta: of course you have more informations about Clomid. It is well studied over years. I'm not wary to use it. It is just sensless if it's clear (with s bloodwork) that the LH is in range.
Osta is not /slightly supressive (the more you are taking, the more supression you will get).

I just wrote that. But of course, you can take it every time if you want to. It was just for information. You don't have to use more drugs than needed.
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You need to do more homework.

What I'm saying is that there's been some users being shut down. I personally had my libido tank going into the 4th week. So saying this stuff doesn't come with negative side effects is nonsensical because for you, you may be fine, but not everyone is going to respond the same.

There's also the fact that the majority here have not done due diligence like you have with bloods, so who knows if they are suppressed or not? So if they are, clomid treatment would be a wise thing to do. With the smartest thing to do being run proper pct if one is even remotely unsure.
 
I completly agree what you are writing. Taking Clomid/Tamox is probably the best way if:
- you are unsure, that the product contains real Ostarine
- you don't have time/money/whatever to make a bloodwork.

But in my opinion, you should make bloodworks because you are taking experimental drugs.

Maybe I had also luck with my products (I hope, that continues). The risk, that liquid SARM products contains other AAS/PH is enormous small, compared with tabs or capsules.
The conversation from the original powder to a liquid compund means more work and less margin.

That's why I'm only using products of research companys which operate until now legally (USA, UK) and not from sellers witch offers SARM as tabs or capsules and working with a big range of prohormones.

But back to on-topic: regarding to the upper two points, you can't go wrong with SERM.
But if you have bloodworks you can read it from that, if you have to use SERM. The bloodwork is the key.
 
Is anybody contacted by a NY times journalist regarding SARM /ostarine experience? I had a pm from a journalist via this forum?
 
Kendal07 said:
Is anybody contacted by a NY times journalist regarding SARM /ostarine experience? I had a pm from a journalist via this forum?
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that's never a good thing... Yay another product gonna be brought to the media's attention exaggerating the side effects and how people are willing to use experimental drugs to enhance their body.. fda plz
 
Kendal07 said:
Is anybody contacted by a NY times journalist regarding SARM /ostarine experience? I had a pm from a journalist via this forum?
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sounds like scam city. I'd hope a nytimes reporter could find better sources then anonymous bros on a forum... Like a doctor...
 
booneman77 said:
sounds like scam city. I'd hope a nytimes reporter could find better sources then anonymous bros on a forum... Like a doctor...
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They did the same thing when Craze was under the scope. At least one lady was.
 
omtz1616 said:
Interested in hearing everyone's opinion on Olympus Labs osta.. Lots of great info on this thread!
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I am ostar1ne week 8 , finishing it in a few days. I used RC ostarine previously. I can say that ostar1ne as good as RC one. Increasing LBM, pump, fullness, strength gains are very similar. Ostar1ne does not awful either. RC one tasted horrible. One more is that Ostar1ne is cheaper than the others.
 
Anybody else get a message from a guy wanting to do an article on ostarine?
 
omtz1616 said:
Interested in hearing everyone's opinion on Olympus Labs osta.. Lots of great info on this thread!
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Olympus Ostar1ne is definitely good to go. Maybe the most enjoyable cycle I've ever run. Good price for the amount per bottle as well.
 
omtz1616 said:
Interested in hearing everyone's opinion on Olympus Labs osta.. Lots of great info on this thread!
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it's great! I am recomping with it currently at 15mg about 8 weeks so far and I've lost 4-5% bf and gained 2 lbs which means I've lost about 5 lbs of fat and gained about 5 lbs of muscle... I'm also on an eca stack and utilizing lyle McDonald's stubborn fat loss protocol twice a week
 
Tbh, I'm getting more out of the moderate 1-dhea/andro I'm running currently then the ostarine. Also libido is slowly climbing back up, probably due to the 4-dhea/andro I'm running as well.
 
Since I went up from 20mg/ed to 25mg/ed, my libido also decreased. Never had that problem with all the Osta products at 20mg/ed. I'm back at my usual dose, 25 is too much for me.
And there were no more benefits.

I'm now in my 8th week, still three weeks more to go.
 
sanmarino said:
Since I went up from 20mg/ed to 25mg/ed, my libido also decreased. Never had that problem with all the Osta products at 20mg/ed. I'm back at my usual dose, 25 is too much for me.
And there were no more benefits.

I'm now in my 8th week, still three weeks more to go.
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Interesting... I still have a bottle of PCT IV left. Originally planned to run the two bottles back to back, but I cut it short after the first bottle because it wasn't doing much of anything and killed my libido (I was using 24 mg ED, so perhaps a lower dose would not have killed my libido 3+ weeks in, but then again, 24 mg ED wasn't doing anything much in terms of positive effects either for me me so...). So started running 1-dhea + 4-dhea which I'm in my second week now I think, that stuff is starting to kick in and my libido is much improved now.
 
I have felt the same libido decrease week 7 , I am on 20 mg ed. What do you think guys about pct for ostarine ? SERM needed or OTC PCT will be enough. Any thought on this?
 
Im wrappinv up a trest/dmz run. 6wks of dmz and trest, and now im in week 7 and running 100mg trest solo till it runs out.

Can i add osta now at 20-25mg ED and then cruise on it for another 6-8wks after i drop the trest and do a full pct?

Im asking this because i have to travel for 4days in about 4weeks, and thats be right in the middle of my PCT, and im worried about interupting that process, and would rather just stay "on" throught the travels, and do a commited PCT after.

A little help or reccomendations would be a big help, and i know this is the delicate time to preserve gains and prevent gyno issues.
 
Good to hear that (that your libido is going back to normal), kissdadookie. A lowered libido is always annoying and not the best thing.
I neber went higher than 20mg/ed (has for me the best effect/side effect ratio), that's my first time.

I'll keep you updated (until some weeks after the PCT).
 
Faktalay said:
I have felt the same libido decrease week 7 , I am on 20 mg ed. What do you think guys about pct for ostarine ? SERM needed or OTC PCT will be enough. Any thought on this?
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Probably try it first with a Testosterone booster and/or DAA.
In other american forums they are using HCGenererate, I don't know if you know that. Doesn't seems that bad, if you are reading the contents. But it's really expensive. Maybe you have a better option.
 
My libido has gone through the roof at 15mg. I normally have a low libido so that may be the difference for me. So far on my cycle all is going well. Haven't really experienced this "fullness" that people are claiming comes from better glycogen replenishment. Maybe that'll kick in later on, only time will tell.
 
Nitro41 said:
Im wrappinv up a trest/dmz run. 6wks of dmz and trest, and now im in week 7 and running 100mg trest solo till it runs out.

Can i add osta now at 20-25mg ED and then cruise on it for another 6-8wks after i drop the trest and do a full pct?

Im asking this because i have to travel for 4days in about 4weeks, and thats be right in the middle of my PCT, and im worried about interupting that process, and would rather just stay "on" throught the travels, and do a commited PCT after.

A little help or reccomendations would be a big help, and i know this is the delicate time to preserve gains and prevent gyno issues.
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If you can arrange a bloodwork, you will see, if you body can handle more hormonal changes.
To be honest, I don't know how strong the impact of Trest and DMZ are on the liver values and other values.
But in your PCT of Trest and DMZ you can use Osta at 10mg per day. At this dosage there is still a anticatabolic/anabolic effect with very minimal side effects. After you passed your PCT, you could raise up the dosage at 20mg/ed for further 6-8 weeks.

After Osta then, I would definitely recommend the usage of a SERM, together with DAA and a test-booster.
 
I have several liquids for my pct, and different pills. Itd make flying a real pain trying to take vials and syringes n all this stuff.

Thanks for the advice tho, ill talk to my doc to see if i can get bloods. The sides on this run have been surprisingly low.
 
kissdadookie said:
Interesting... I still have a bottle of PCT IV left. Originally planned to run the two bottles back to back, but I cut it short after the first bottle because it wasn't doing much of anything and killed my libido (I was using 24 mg ED, so perhaps a lower dose would not have killed my libido 3+ weeks in, but then again, 24 mg ED wasn't doing anything much in terms of positive effects either for me me so...). So started running 1-dhea + 4-dhea which I'm in my second week now I think, that stuff is starting to kick in and my libido is much improved now.
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what brand were you using?... 24 mg?
 
sanmarino said:
Probably try it first with a Testosterone booster and/or DAA.
In other american forums they are using HCGenererate, I don't know if you know that. Doesn't seems that bad, if you are reading the contents. But it's really expensive. Maybe you have a better option.
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Yes they are promoting that product in their forum heavily I have yet to tried though. Yes I have used DAA when I felt a decrease in libido. I order alphamax for pct , I believe they have similar ingredients apart from fadigia. I have got nolvadex and clomid in hand for just in case.
 
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