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Ostarine for christmas!

tyga tyga said:
Hmm someone posted their bloods after using erase and it didnt do nadda for estrogen control, cort control or raise test... but, you could run it like that.
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Oh really? Isn't that exactly what erase is supposed to do? But I'll probably include it anyway
 
tyga tyga said:
Hmm someone posted their bloods after using erase and it didnt do nadda for estrogen control, cort control or raise test... but, you could run it like that.
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When I take too much Erase or Pro, my right ankle joint gets super dry and stiff. So I'd say it definitely lowers my E2 levels
 
threeFs said:
I don't need a number to tell me how I feel
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Your input is irrelevant then. No proof on a feeling? How do you know it wasnt weather related, a cold, over training. Hell i feel my test is low, but cant prove ... get it?

/convo

OP keep the updates coming
 
Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
 
pistol345 said:
Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
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I was having issues on iPhone earlier but it's good now
 
pistol345 said:
Yo. Anybody having trouble with the AM android app? All of a sudden I couldn't get on anymore. Been like 3 hours and I still can't connect. Doin it on the browser sucks
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Yea earlier, think they had site updates goin.
 
I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
 
tyga tyga said:
Your input is irrelevant then. No proof on a feeling? How do you know it wasnt weather related, a cold, over training. Hell i feel my test is low, but cant prove ... get it?

/convo

OP keep the updates coming
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I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.
 
warsteiner said:
I think the nolva is overkill as well. With the bloods that others have posted there is a good chance that it is the estrogen that is causing the suppression as I don't think they showed a big reduction in test so maybe something like a low dose of Formeron (or Sustain Alpha if you can find it) while taking Osta would help? Triazole may also be an option as this has bloods showing an increase of test and a decrease of estrogen.

I'd rather stop the suppression before it starts rather than have to try and get everything working after the suppression has already taken effect. I didn't feel any suppression until Week 4 of my Osta cycle so you have a couple of weeks to decide what to do.
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Yea. Id rather stop it before it starts also. Well I'll prolly get some triazole then, and I can use erase when I'm cutting or somethin
 
threeFs said:
I mentioned that my ankle joint gets very dry. It got so bad once that I had an xray taken. When I eased back on the AIs the pain got better. When I take Erase Pro too many days in a row after my test injections, the same joint pain occurs. I'm not sure where you're not seeing "proof of a feeling," Your Honor, but that to me certainly is.
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I've never taken erase before, but I used to get dry ass joints with epi. That's a bad feeling. But id really like to keep this thread from turning into an argument, so let's get back to the Osta fellas
 
Day 5

Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
 
what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
edit. and we started basically the same day or so
 
pistol345 said:
Day 5

Not feeling much soreness in my shoulders. Legs are still pretty sore tho. Had a long night of drinkin with the boys, so I'm not feeling so great today. Either way, still took my osta with the cran-tangerine juice again... ehh.

Definitely anxious to see some results, and each day is getting closer. Btw, almost to 100 posts on here... century club!
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Ostarine can ruin the taste of just about anything lol
 
threeFs said:
what's your ostarine dose again? I'm keeping my run @25mg for 60 days
edit. and we started basically the same day or so
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I'm doin 25mg. I'm plannin 6 weeks of that, then use the rest when I cut. Prolly like 12.5mg for 4 weeks in the spring
 
Oh, and I'm off work today and tomorrow, so I'm not workin out. I'll hit it hard on Friday if the world doesn't end. And yea... 100th post, what's good?
 
warsteiner said:
Check the following thread where the OP used 50mg S4 5 on/2 off for 4 weeks and suffered some suppression - Invalid Link Removed. SARMS are a pain in that some people suffer suppression and some don't so it's just a case of trying them for yourself and keeping some libido boosting products on hand if you do have issues.

After 6 weeks of Osta (17.5mg) I experienced the same issues as the OP in the S4 thread. 3 weeks of DAA/Erase didn't completely resolve the issue so I switched to AI Perform and within a week or so everything was back to normal. After this experience I'll be using AI Perform with the S4 run I have planned for Jan.
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Ahhh ok yea well I'm only running S4 post pct anyways into my next cycle so mild suppression won't really matter considering pct for next cycle will involve toremifene and aromasin
 
I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
 
Just ordered some triazole. Think I should use it during the end of my cycle, then during pct, switch to erase and daa?
 
grega60438 said:
I am curious if Ostarine may actually be useful during PCT, if careful how taken. Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Ostarine is slightly suppressive at 12.5mg and can slightly raise E2. IMO it only takes about a week PCT to recover from 12.5mg of Ostarine.
Typically some gains can be lost during 4 weeks of PCT. What if we can shorten the loss to about one week, and what if during that week the serms have already kick started your system, which means the muscle loss is less, and even debatable if there is negligible loss?
PCT week 1: Ostarine 25mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 2: Ostarine 12.5mg + Serm + aromasin 12.5 ED
PCT week 3: Ostarine 6.25mg + Serm +aromasin 6.25 ED
PCT week 4: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
Optional - PCT week 5: Serm +aromasin 6.25 EOD
The Ostarine should have caused minimal muscle loss weeks 1-3 and at week 4 your system should be really close to normal, so again loss should be minimal. Aromasin should have proactively kept the E2 levels in check and deceasing Aromasin over time should minimize rebound.
Just a theory, but it seems to make logical sense in my imperfect mind. Not fact, just my thoughts... Your Thoughts?
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Well the problem I see with this is that osta doesnt kick into full effect until 2 maybe 3 weeks in.
 
Day 7

Bought some more OJ, so the osta when down nicely today. Haven't taken creatine/ beta alanine in days, so I'm gonna go ahead and go natural until the osta kicks in. I'm worried that my workouts will suffer until then (cause I'm already pretty weak).

Workout: Chest

Flat bench: 135 x 10, 155 x 9, 155 x 8

Incline DB bench: 60s x 10, 60s x 8, 60s x 8

Cable Flys: 5 plates x 10, 5 plates x 7, 4 plates x 8

Push ups: set of 8, set of 9, set of 7, then dropset "girl pushups" for 5 more reps

Not a great workout today, but not horrible either.
 
Day 8

Workout: Back/ Biceps

Bent Over Rows: 95 x 10, 100 x 9, 105 x9, 105 x 7

Low Rows: 240 x 9, 240 x 8, 240 x 8, 240 x 6

Chin ups: 9 reps, 8 reps, 8 reps, 6 reps

EZ bar curls (seated): 65 x 10, 65 x 8, 65 x 6

Hammer DB Curls (standing): 30s x 9, 30s x 8

Concentration Curls: 25s x 8 (partial reps for 3 more reps) , 25s x 7(partial reps for 3 reps)

Decent workout today. I think I'm going to periodize my workout. Seeing as I started with 12+ reps for a few weeks, then have been doing 8-10 reps for this week (and will continue to for at least another week). Then I will up the weight a bit and drop to 6-8 reps for a couple weeks, then 3-5, then really heavy for a rep or two. I'm hoping this will really help me gain some strength. Anybody have advice for improvement?
 
pistol345 said:
My understtanding is that it doesn't affect the liver at all because its not methylated
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Methylated compounds aren't the only thing that will effect your liver.
In fact, most drugs will have some sort of interaction with your liver..for better or for worse.
 
steppinRazor said:
Methylated compounds aren't the only thing that will effect your liver.
In fact, most drugs will have some sort of interaction with your liver..for better or for worse.
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Oh okay. Well, either way, they say it has almost no affect on the liver. But I have no evidence to support that
 
Alright, so woke up, and had the same breakfast as last Sunday, and just weighed in at 182.0. 2lbs up from last week. I've been eating a calorie surplus and steadily gaining weight, so I doubt the 2lb gain is due to the osta. So hopefully when the osta kicks in, I'll be gaining hard as hell. And I wish someone would respond to my periodization question from yesterday...
 
So SARMs are new to me but I'm familiar with PH's. I don't want to jack your thread but can you tell me why you would use SARMs instead of a PH is you're going for a lean bulk?
What's the difference?
 
Leftyz said:
So SARMs are new to me but I'm familiar with PH's. I don't want to jack your thread but can you tell me why you would use SARMs instead of a PH is you're going for a lean bulk?
What's the difference?
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No problem. Well, phs are quite liver toxic, can shut down ur natural test production, give you back pumps, enlarge ur prostate, and it can be very difficult to keep ur gains. To combat these problems, u have to buy liver support supps, taurine, test boosters, a SERM... etc., and that stuff adds up quick.

Its too early to say for certain whether SARMs cause any long term problems, but so far so good. My main concern is with keeping my gains after the cycle, and with Osta, I should be able to keep almost all of them without spending a fortune on pct. Osta can supress ur natural test production, and raise estrogen, so it would be wise to run a test boosing, estrogen lowering supp afterward.

Hope that helps
 
pistol345 said:
No problem. Well, phs are quite liver toxic, can shut down ur natural test production, give you back pumps, enlarge ur prostate, and it can be very difficult to keep ur gains. To combat these problems, u have to buy liver support supps, taurine, test boosters, a SERM... etc., and that stuff adds up quick.

Its too early to say for certain whether SARMs cause any long term problems, but so far so good. My main concern is with keeping my gains after the cycle, and with Osta, I should be able to keep almost all of them without spending a fortune on pct. Osta can supress ur natural test production, and raise estrogen, so it would be wise to run a test boosing, estrogen lowering supp afterward.

Hope that helps
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Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?
 
Leftyz said:
Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?
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Not true a ph does NOT give you testosterone lol. Depending on the ph you could end up getting deinolone. Winstrol. DHT. All kinds of hormones.

Research brah
 
Leftyz said:
Yes thanks. What exactly is a SARM like Osta? A PH is essentially just giving you testosterone, what about SARMs?
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Yea. Definitely do some research. Google knows all, and these forums know the rest. Haha. My understanding is that phs are legal hormones that the body processes into illegal hormones. Its kinda like a loop hole to giving you illegal steroids... I think hdrol gets converted to turinabol (which is banned, right?). Hope I'm not talkin out of my ass here, maybe someone else can explain better.
And SARMs are even more complicated. Just look it up
 
Day 9 -

Been sleeping like crap lately... don't know if its because of the osta, or getting stuck on morning shift at work, but definitely been feeling run down. I'm closing at work tonight and was really hoping to catch up on some sleep when I get home, but just found out I'm opening at 6:45am tomorrow. Wtf... but I'm making no excuses and hittin the weights hard.

Workout: Deadlifts/ Legs

Deadlifts: 225 x 10, 225 x 8, 225 x 5 (no wrist straps and my grip was going out)

Leg press: 4 plates on each side x 10, 9, 7

Leg extensions and curls supersets

Leg extensions: 12 plates x 11, 10, 10, 8 (drop set with 9 plates for 7 more reps)

Leg curls: 12 plates x 12, 13, then 13 plates x 9, 8 (drop set with 9 for 6 more reps)

Glad the workouts over cause I hate deadlifts and leg press... but sometimes you just gotta suck it up.
 
Day 10

Got home last night and immediately popped a melatonin pill... slept like a baby. Woke up at 5:30 AM wide awake, felt great.
I can't tell if the Osta is increasing my libido, or if it was all the hot chicks at work today but holy hell... was losing my mind. Some hot chick was in the damn weight room in a bikini, I thought I was hallucinating. haha. If you've never seen a half naked woman bent over doing tricep extensions... you should. Its so against the rules, but I didn't say a word. Also have been pissing some seriously yellow urine. Looks almost like beta alanine urine. If I chug a bunch of water, its still not completely clear. Been feeling pretty thirsty too. idk.
I've gotten a couple of compliments about looking bigger, which is always awesome. My flexed arm has gained 3/4" in like 2 weeks... legit! Not really feeling "on" anything yet, and my workouts have not been mind blowing, but I think something is happening.

Workout: Shoulders

Honestly had a pretty ****ty workout today cause I was totally distracted by the bikini girl... shame on me...

Overhead DB press: 60s x 9, 60s x 8, 60s x 8

Lateral DB Raises: 25s x 10, 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 8

DB Reverse Flys: 25s x 9, 25s x 8, 25s x 7, 25s x 7

And oh... merry Christmas!
 
Day 11- rest day

Gym was closed today, so no dice. I just received an order of agmatine and citruline yesterday, so I'm eager to try it. I want to know what gains the osta is resposible for, so I'm prolly just gonna take the preworkout supps on bicep day for a nice pump. I'll prolly take it regularly after I'm off osta
 
Day 12

Definitely noticing fuller muscles so I think the osta is kicking in. Tried agmatine and citrulline for my back/ bicep workout... pretty nice.

Workout:

Bent over rows: 115 x 12, 135 x 10, 135 x 8, 135 x 7

Idk what this exercise is called... I put the barbell in the corner of the gym, and put a couple plates on it, use a V handle and do rows with it

either way, did: 115 on the bar x 10, 140 x 6, 115 x 8

Lat pulldowns: 12 plates x 10, 12 x 9, 12 x 9

Chin ups: 8 reps, 8 reps, 5 reps

Incline DB curls: 30s x 10, 30s x 8

Standing hammer curls: 30s x 10, 30s x 8 (drop set with 25s x 6 more reps)

After the hammer curls, my arms were SWOLL. Veins poppin out harder than ever. I can just imagine if I was on a cut and was at a lower BF%... woulda looked awesome.
 
Anything above 25mg is slightly suppressive. And I doubt it shrinking your nuts, its probably your imagination..im running 15mg ed as part of my pct from a sdrol&epi cycle and pretty much keeping everything, including strength. My bros are steadily going back to size, im in week 2 right now
 
Are you running a "unique" Ostra? Mine is on its way and was hoping its legit. Reviews look good but you never know.
 
Superman_777 said:
Anything above 25mg is slightly suppressive. And I doubt it shrinking your nuts, its probably your imagination..im running 15mg ed as part of my pct from a sdrol&epi cycle and pretty much keeping everything, including strength. My bros are steadily going back to size, im in week 2 right now
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Wanna see em?
 
threeFs said:
What's your ostarine dose again? I'm running 25mg/day and my balls are getting smalls
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I'm at 25 a day as well. Didn't notice any shrinkage, but seems like erection quality has decreased. Just doesn't get super hard anymore. But I have some triazole on the way, and that should help with the test/estro ratio
 
DWeaver said:
Are you running a "unique" Ostra? Mine is on its way and was hoping its legit. Reviews look good but you never know.
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Yea, I got mine from a pretty unique place. Haha. I read good reviews too. It tastes like its supposed to taste, and the results should start kicking in very soon, so we'll see if it really is legit
 
Superman_777 said:
Anything above 25mg is slightly suppressive. And I doubt it shrinking your nuts, its probably your imagination..im running 15mg ed as part of my pct from a sdrol&epi cycle and pretty much keeping everything, including strength. My bros are steadily going back to size, im in week 2 right now
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From all that I've read, anything above 12.5 mg a day can be suppressive. And 25mg for 6 weeks can be quite suppressive. If ur taking test boosters and a serm and stuff with your pct, then you prolly wouldn't notice anything... especially at 15mg. But either way, glad to hear you're keeping your strength and everything man
 
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