Osta Plex

Johnold said:
I wanted something that helps give me the leaning and drying out help along with helping recomp and help to hold onto muscle while calorie restricting and and fasting etc.

Something like that is STILL gonna help grow muscle too.
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I'd suggest a 1-andro product like 1-Testosterone. non-aromatizing, and great for extremely lean and dry gains
 
Johnold said:
I wanted something that helps give me the leaning and drying out help along with helping recomp and help to hold onto muscle while calorie restricting and and fasting etc.

Something like that is STILL gonna help grow muscle too.
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1-Andro at 330mg/day (if using a plain old "regular" product - *maybe* less if using 'absorption enhanced products') and 300-1000mg/day of an Epiandrosterone product. Dry as you're gonna' get, huge user base as far as knowledge/sides/safety goes. Make sure you have your Clomid first.
 
Thats what im talking about.

Just lean dry gains that are gradual. Im not in any typw of rush. At 35 im not like some 18 or 20 year old that wants to be "swole" and a "tough wise guy"

Too old for that ****.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
1-Andro at 330mg/day (if using a plain old "regular" product - *maybe* less if using 'absorption enhanced products') and 300-1000mg/day of an Epiandrosterone product. Dry as you're gonna' get, huge user base as far as knowledge/sides/safety goes. Make sure you have your Clomid first.
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I've run 1-Testosterone from HT with the enhanced absorption Cyclosome delivery system, and at 220mg I was impressed. I think running int at 330mg/day would be amazing. I'm building up a stockpile of it right now, sitting at 4 bottles currently.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I've run 1-Testosterone from HT with the enhanced absorption Cyclosome delivery system, and at 220mg I was impressed. I think running int at 330mg/day would be amazing. I'm building up a stockpile of it right now, sitting at 4 bottles currently.
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Yeah, my 330 is based off what we *know* works from the West Texas A&M study. That was "regular" 1-Andro with just 6,7 DHB. I agree that the SEDDS and Cyclosome (not to mention Trans-Dermal - which we also *know* works - but we have no translation data, ie. 100mg of TD equals "X" amount of regular oral) LOOKS like it would be better, but no one knows if it is - *for sure*, or how much better. So I would just allot enough funds to dose at 330 and reap any additional "absorption benefit" - covers all bases.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yeah, my 330 is based off what we *know* works from the West Texas A&M study. That was "regular" 1-Andro with just 6,7 DHB. I agree that the SEDDS and Cyclosome (not to mention Trans-Dermal - which we also *know* works - but we have no translation data, ie. 100mg of TD equals "X" amount of regular oral) LOOKS like it would be better, but no one knows if it is - *for sure*, or how much better. So I would just allot enough funds to dose at 330 and reap any additional "absorption benefit" - covers all bases.
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agreed. considering 1-testosterone has the identical dosing of each ingredient from the study, and it's the same relative price as competing 1-andro products, you can get the studied formula with the theoretical best delivery method and be guaranteed to get the best results possible
 
VaughnTrue said:
I've run 1-Testosterone from HT with the enhanced absorption Cyclosome delivery system, and at 220mg I was impressed. I think running int at 330mg/day would be amazing. I'm building up a stockpile of it right now, sitting at 4 bottles currently.
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Wouldnt 2 bottles be enough for 40 days or nearly 6 weeks ??? That'd be awesome as 3 bottles gets 8 full weeks then! You can decide if it's working to buy another bottle, then another, etc
 
Johnold said:
Plus doesnt Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals have that coating on their tabs?
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its not coating, its cyclosome delivery which is a combination of liposomal and beta cyclodextrin delivery methods. it increases bioavailability and absorption to the highest rate possible
 
Cyclosome is making its way into a lot of products. Like Vaughn mentioned, very popular and seems to be getting more popular.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I've run 1-Testosterone from HT with the enhanced absorption Cyclosome delivery system, and at 220mg I was impressed. I think running int at 330mg/day would be amazing. I'm building up a stockpile of it right now, sitting at 4 bottles currently.
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Any coupon codes for 1-testosterone.
 
VaughnTrue said:
curious as to why you think 19nor-dhea will provide a lot of bloat.

nandrolone doesn't offer much aromatizion at all
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Nandrolone does have activity as a progesterone, though, which can agonize the effects of estrogen already present in the body.
Science aside, anecdotally I have always experienced water retention at some level when experimenting with nandrolone, of any ester.
You might be able to avoid bloat if you keep estrogen low from the start with an AI, who knows. That just hasn't been my experience.

Just my .02
 
BamBam0319 said:
Nandrolone does have activity as a progesterone, though, which can agonize the effects of estrogen already present in the body.
Science aside, anecdotally I have always experienced water retention at some level when experimenting with nandrolone, of any ester.
You might be able to avoid bloat if you keep estrogen low from the start with an AI, who knows. That just hasn't been my experience.

Just my .02
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everyone reacts differently, thats why I was asking. makes sense on my end
 
VaughnTrue said:
its not coating, its cyclosome delivery which is a combination of liposomal and beta cyclodextrin delivery methods. it increases bioavailability and absorption to the highest rate possible
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Cyclosome/Liposomal technology has become a catch phrase that has been being abused by many companies to fool customers. You can't just throw Phosphatidylcholine, and Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin into the mix as "other ingredients."

Absorption of the elements are legitimately enhanced (theoretically) when they show up in the main ingredient profile of the formula and are actually bonded to the ingredients. For example:



Ecdysterone hydroxypropyl-B-cyclodextrin complex

PhytoFUSE™ Green Tea Extract with Soy Phosphatidylcholine (standardized to 95% (-)- Epicatechin)

Tomatidine-Shilajit Complex providing 50mg tomatidine and 200mg shilajit



Unfortunately, the absorption enhancers only show up in the "other ingredients" section with Osta-Plex. Do you know if the Phosphatidylcholine and Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin are actually bonded to the ingredients? If so, which ingredients are specifically bonded to each absorption enhancer?
 
Ricky10 said:
Unfortunately, the absorption enhancers only show up in the "other ingredients" section with Osta-Plex. Do you know if the Phosphatidylcholine and Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin are actually bonded to the ingredients? If so, which ingredients are specifically bonded to each absorption enhancer?
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AMS' Old Decavol Sub-Lingual Tabs: (Which were seized by the German government and tested - they worked. PA did a blog post about it)

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving

Decavol Proprietary Blend - 112 mg
19-NorAndrost-4-ene-3b-ol, 17-one Hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin

Other Ingredients:
Citric Acid, Sucralose, EDTA, Potassium Sorbate, Potassium Benzoate, natural and artificial flavoring
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Interesting point you brought up - if it's not in the main panel, is something funny going on?
 
Ricky10 said:
Cyclosome/Liposomal technology has become a catch phrase that has been being abused by many companies to fool customers. You can't just throw Phosphatidylcholine, and Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin into the mix as "other ingredients."

Absorption of the elements are legitimately enhanced (theoretically) when they show up in the main ingredient profile of the formula and are actually bonded to the ingredients. For example:



Ecdysterone hydroxypropyl-B-cyclodextrin complex

PhytoFUSE™ Green Tea Extract with Soy Phosphatidylcholine (standardized to 95% (-)- Epicatechin)

Tomatidine-Shilajit Complex providing 50mg tomatidine and 200mg shilajit



Unfortunately, the absorption enhancers only show up in the "other ingredients" section with Osta-Plex. Do you know if the Phosphatidylcholine and Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin are actually bonded to the ingredients? If so, which ingredients are specifically bonded to each absorption enhancer?
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I have gone over this in the past, but I'd be happy to again.

Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals literally bought a pharmaceutical plant to get the technology to provide actual delivery enhancement, not just throwing stuff into a pill and claiming it works. We use pharmaceutical machines, with pharmaceutical methodology to produce pharmaceutical and ACTUAL cyclosome delivery enhancement (the most proven form of delivery enhancement for the compounds in question currently known to science)
 
The_Old_Guy
The Hi-Tech website does not currently show any specifics about Osta-Plex. The following is from priceplow though..

To prevent the ingredients in SARMS from getting destroyed before reaching the bloodstream, Hi-Tech has created a proprietary delivery method called Cyclosome Technology. Taking something orally has its limits, and liposomal delivery combats this and increases bioavailability by a substantial amount. The testosterone increasing substances are trapped in liposomes and are able to pass through the liver without getting destroyed. Now they can be effectively delivered to where they are needed in the bloodstream, and you will see much more noticeable results.

This is the breakdown of the ingredients;

Serving Size: 1 Tablet Servings Per Container: 60 Amount Per Serving 19-nor-androst-4-ene-17-one Enathate 50mg
Eucommia Ulmoides 100:1 Extract (bark) 250mg
7-methoxy-8-(3-methylbut-2-en-1-yl)-2h-chromen-2-one 10mg

Other Ingredients: Microcrystalline Cellulose, Phosphatidylcholine 75%, Hydroxypropyl Beta Cyclodextrin, Phytosterols, Magnesium Stearate, Silica, FD&C Blue #2, FD&C Red #40

I am quite sure that they just threw some Phosphatidylcholine and Beta Cyclodextrin into the outer tablet coating...hence the statement of the "substances being trapped in liposomes." I could be wrong, but I think these absorption enhancers actually have to be complexed/bonded with the actual ingredients to be effective. This technology is said to be quite a painstaking process. Hence the high price tag of Titan and Most Wanted for example.

Osta-Plex also appears to have a hefty price tag, which seems unwarranted to me at this time as it appears as though they did not go through the process of bonding the ingredients.
 
Any online sites that HT has thats sells all of their products?

Theres always that 1 site that works very well with certain supplement companies and sells all of their products and stays current.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I have gone over this in the past, but I'd be happy to again.

Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals literally bought a pharmaceutical plant to get the technology to provide actual delivery enhancement, not just throwing stuff into a pill and claiming it works. We use pharmaceutical machines, with pharmaceutical methodology to produce pharmaceutical and ACTUAL cyclosome delivery enhancement (the most proven form of delivery enhancement for the compounds in question currently known to science)
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Sorry, but I remain more than skeptical when the absorption enhancers do not show up in the main ingredient panel..

It just doesn't make any sense when you consider other companies products that actually show the bonded components..
 
Ricky10 said:
Sorry, but I remain more than skeptical when the absorption enhancers do not show up in the main ingredient panel..

It just doesn't make any sense when you consider other companies products that actually show the bonded components..
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I will inquire as to the rationale behind the ingredient panel, however I saw the machinery and bill of sale myself so I know it's legit
 
VaughnTrue said:
I will inquire as to the rationale behind the ingredient panel, however I saw the machinery and bill of sale myself so I know it's legit
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I don't mean to only question products that fall under the Hi-Tech empire. There are plenty of other companies claiming Cyclosome/Liposomal delivery only to find the same label discrepancy. Then there are the companies that actually show the bond..

It would be nice to clear this up in general:worried:
 
Rad83 said:
Does this need to be stacked with a Test base such as 4andro, or is it fine standalone ?
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we currently have users running it on it's own...you can always stack if with 4-andro or epiandrone for a "test base" to combat any potential lethargy though
 
So this doesn't convert to DHT?

trying to figure out whats low to no sides or doesn't convert to dht other than 1-andro. 4-andro doesn't so much but it does a little bit.

6-keto pregnane doesn't convert to dht and is also super low side also. Does HT Have this?
 
Johnold said:
So this doesn't convert to DHT?

trying to figure out whats low to no sides or doesn't convert to dht other than 1-andro. 4-andro doesn't so much but it does a little bit.

6-keto pregnane doesn't convert to dht and is also super low side also. Does HT Have this?
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Whatever percentage actually manages to convert to the good stuff - will then convert to DHN, not DHT. DHN is very weak as far as Androgenicity.
 
Well for my possible first time using ph's i wanted to inch into them with the most mild. That way i can make my decision from there to advance further and or harder.

If i jump into something too fast and too hardcore with sides and all that then i might be too afraid to go on further.
 
Johnold said:
Well for my possible first time using ph's i wanted to inch into them with the most mild. That way i can make my decision from there to advance further and or harder.

If i jump into something too fast and too hardcore with sides and all that then i might be too afraid to go on further.
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The ONLY side I've seen anyone report on any of our prohormones has been lethargy.
 
Day 11 at 3 tabs per day and no negative side effects to report. I'm expecting to experience its full affect any time. Strength is up a bit while in a calorie deficit. My weight is down .6 over the past 7 days and I have lost 1/2 inch off my waist. I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's what's going on with me while on Osta Plex.
 
Rad83 said:
What kind of pct are we lookin at with ostaplex?
I've heard otc and I've heard clomid?
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If you want your nuts pumping out Testosterone as much and as fast as possible - Clomid. If you want to just hope your body starts trickling out T, *maybe* getting back to baseline after 8 weeks - "OTC PCT" (***Note - Your Body will most likely do on it's own, the same thing as it will do with an "OTC PCT" - so you can probably save your money***).
 
Johnold said:
Well for my possible first time using ph's i wanted to inch into them with the most mild. That way i can make my decision from there to advance further and or harder.

If i jump into something too fast and too hardcore with sides and all that then i might be too afraid to go on further.
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SARMS are probably best for you to start with mate. I was same as you so started on a short ostarine run just to test the waters and had no sides at all then went on to epistane which I found very mild on sides and gains, dunno if it was worth the PCT and all at the end tho I didn't feel too bad after cycle. In the end I wish I'd just done osta for 12 weeks and ran a mini pct after.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
If you want your nuts pumping out Testosterone as much and as fast as possible - Clomid. If you want to just hope your body starts trickling out T, *maybe* getting back to baseline after 8 weeks - "OTC PCT" (***Note - Your Body will most likely do on it's own, the same thing as it will do with an "OTC PCT" - so you can probably save your money***).
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You're the fukin man! ....All the stores selling these products assure me that 'otc' is legit! I really think they just want our money, (buy the whole stack from them)

This a big reason why I've yet to run anything...
 
VaughnTrue said:
My favorite is definitely the 1-Testosterone. It works very well, and you only need an OTC PCT like Arimiplex or Novedex XT
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Not trying to be argumentative, but is this really the case? Seems like most say to make multiple Dr trips with blood panels and use clomid or similar. I have held off on the DHEA conversion products because of this. Do the DHEA products not cause the level of suppression that the old school stuff caused? Is the the (Dr) PCT only precautionary?
 
Solfernus said:
Not trying to be argumentative, but is this really the case? Seems like most say to make multiple Dr trips with blood panels and use clomid or similar. I have held off on the DHEA conversion products because of this. Do the DHEA products not cause the level of suppression that the old school stuff caused? Is the the (Dr) PCT only precautionary?
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People on this forum are VERY convinced that you need RC's (when there is zero quality control and zero proof you're actually getting whats on the label) when there have been MANY instances of blood work showing otherwise. If you want to use a SERM, have at it. I have not numerous times and my boys work just fine. This is a case of n=1 for me personally, but plenty of others are in the exact same boat.
 
I know a very experienced bodybuilder that owns a gym, touching 50 year old, only uses a SERM after long injectable cycles. Says he's seen dozens, maybe hundreds of people come off short oral cycles with no SERM and recover just fine. In his words "the worlds gone PCT crazy!".
 
APC80 said:
I know a very experienced bodybuilder that owns a gym, touching 50 year old, only uses a SERM after long injectable cycles. Says he's seen dozens, maybe hundreds of people come off short oral cycles with no SERM and recover just fine. In his words "the worlds gone PCT crazy!".
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if someone has access to Rx grade SERMs, rock on. most people do not, and I find RC's to be utter and total horse ****
 
VaughnTrue said:
if someone has access to Rx grade SERMs, rock on. most people do not, and I find RC's to be utter and total horse ****
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Thing is most are buying their rx SERMs off some dodgy internet site so how do they even know they're the real deal?

I've taken diazepam that looked the real deal, stamps and all, that came from one of those sites and it was fake. Didn't do a thing, may as well have been taking smarties.
 
APC80 said:
Thing is most are buying their rx SERMs off some dodgy internet site so how do they even know they're the real deal?

I've taken diazepam that looked the real deal, stamps and all, that came from one of those sites and it was fake. Didn't do a thing, may as well have been taking smarties.
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right, when I say Rx grade i mean ACTUAL rx grade. Not some random indian produced and stamped tablet
 
VaughnTrue said:
People on this forum are VERY convinced that you need RC's (when there is zero quality control and zero proof you're actually getting whats on the label) when there have been MANY instances of blood work showing otherwise. If you want to use a SERM, have at it. I have not numerous times and my boys work just fine. This is a case of n=1 for me personally, but plenty of others are in the exact same boat.
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Hmm interesting, and fair enough. I appreciate the honest answer. Do you think that Ostaplex or Decabolin would be the better choice? I'm primarily interested in the joint benefits I've read about with 19-Nor, but the mild weight and strength gains would be nice too. I have a shoulder that doesn't show a tear or dislocation, but has been clicking and causing discomfort. Dr gave me an anti-inflammatory and sent me on my way (which hasn't done much, even with limited activity for weeks). I'm probably going to get a second opinion, but I'm also looking for another solution OTC I can do now.
 
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