Orastan-E Question (New Here)
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3clipseGT
On my grind
Orastan-E , same product as Prostanozol , is good for hardening muscle, losing some fat, but mostly adding LBM. Its not somethin like test where you will notice a big difference and the strength gains arent crazy, but its a pretty decent product. Kept the fat at bay for my while i was cycling and eating more.
UHCougar05
Well-known member
Most would recommend stacking Orastan with something else because it seems to be a bit weak as a stand-alone. I would go with either SD, PP, or E-MAX depending on how you react to it. You could use it on its own, but you may have to up the dosages a bit. Many have said that it provides a synergistic effect when stacked and you can use normal dosing, but recommended larger dosing by itself. Of course, as with many things, your mileage may vary. :thumbsup:
poopypants
Banned
ok someone just asked this same ? in another thread and got basically the same answer any one else see that? either way my ? in that thread was never answered and that is .... is orastan the same exact compoundas prostanozol or at least a winny derivative as well?3clipseGT said:
UHCougar05
Well-known member
Yeah, they're the same compound. But it's missing a bond that regular winny has. Here's what Pete had to say about it:poopypants said:
bigpetefox said:Prostanozol has the pyrazol bond, but it's not methylated and there's another modification to it.. Was it my Stanolone thread? It's similar to winny, just missing the pyrazol bond at the 2-3 position..
Bigdaddyandy
New member
Orastan-E
I was not impressed with this product,
you get real stanozol for just a little bit more money.
I was not impressed with this product,
you get real stanozol for just a little bit more money.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Yep, Gaspari and ALRI have worked together on a number of things, this being one of them. They are both identical products.poopypants said:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
I think the two (prost & Emax) would make a real good cycle personally. Emax for the more anabolic effects, and prostan. for the androgenic and solidifying effects.tremelo24 said:
poopypants
Banned
umm theyre both pretty strong androgens bro. Emax just has a nice anabolic profile to match.prld2gr8ns said:
Bigdaddyandy
New member
All these "legal" products are junk.tremelo24 said:
Save your cash and get the real gear.
The only legal supplements that's worth paying for are: creatine(liquid form is the best, by mmusa), glucosamine(for joints), and obviously a high grade whey protein supp(my personal fav is optimum nutrition.
Anything else is some hyped-up bullshit, period.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Exactly, the more anabolic profile of emax would given a much better size gain then would a strict androgenic cpd like prostan. Throw the two in together and you would get an increased synergistic effect between the two, (i.e. increased size, strength, density, vascularity, etc.) much like your cycle with PP and Prostan there poopy.poopypants said:
Bigdaddyandy
New member
Standing by my statement
I'm not advocating the use of "real"
anabolics.
But I am strongly against the use of these so-called "legal" steroids.
What I have seen in the gym is people getting all jazzed and excited about some product stack they just shelled out $100-$150 for, and get pissed when they make hardly any gains if any after working their asses off.
However a lot of them did get some side effects from them; acne, bloating, in one dude I knew, mild gyno.
Do you think any of the top bodybuilders or pro-wrestlers who have supplement contracts.
Actually use those supplements without steroid enhancement?
Get real.
I'm not trying to pick an arguement, but these "legal" steroids are simply an overhyped product.
You want to get steroid-like enhancement?
Don't get some junk at GNC, get some real steroids.
I plateaued a few years ago, I did an actual cycle recommended by a personal trainer friend. I gained 20 solid pounds in 8 weeks and retained most of it, with one small side. Some acne on my
back.
Don't call my statement ignorant when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Yes, I am talking to Sickboy and Haggerty.
I'm not advocating the use of "real"
anabolics.
But I am strongly against the use of these so-called "legal" steroids.
What I have seen in the gym is people getting all jazzed and excited about some product stack they just shelled out $100-$150 for, and get pissed when they make hardly any gains if any after working their asses off.
However a lot of them did get some side effects from them; acne, bloating, in one dude I knew, mild gyno.
Do you think any of the top bodybuilders or pro-wrestlers who have supplement contracts.
Actually use those supplements without steroid enhancement?
Get real.
I'm not trying to pick an arguement, but these "legal" steroids are simply an overhyped product.
You want to get steroid-like enhancement?
Don't get some junk at GNC, get some real steroids.
I plateaued a few years ago, I did an actual cycle recommended by a personal trainer friend. I gained 20 solid pounds in 8 weeks and retained most of it, with one small side. Some acne on my
back.
Don't call my statement ignorant when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Yes, I am talking to Sickboy and Haggerty.
poopypants
Banned
im sorry sir but within one post youve totally disproved yourself.Bigdaddyandy said:
please dont come around heree with your high and mighty attitude trying to feed us a line that the bros on this board have a firm understanding about.
if you can find any of the aformentioned supps in this thread at a GNC and for somewhere between 100-150 dollars then id like to see it.
these new "legal" supplements as you like to call them have been tried and tested time and time again. and while you spent 8 weeks doing gear, i accomplishedthe same in 4 on my hyped up bullshit.
as a matter of fact many fellows on these boards that have turned to the dark side wont even touch these new supps. and not for the same ignorant reason you wont but because many of them DO WORK and are EXTREMELY STRONG and even they dont want to risk it taking such potent and harsh stuff.
now please "Don't call my statement ignorant when you don't know what the hell you're talking about."
thank you and have a nice day:welcome:
poopypants
Banned
exactly what i was thinking:dance:prld2gr8ns said:Exactly, the more anabolic profile of emax would given a much better size gain then would a strict androgenic cpd like prostan. Throw the two in together and you would get an increased synergistic effect between the two, (i.e. increased size, strength, density, vascularity, etc.) much like your cycle with PP and Prostan there poopy.
Bigdaddyandy
New member
You missed my point...
Orastan retails for $60.00-$80.00.
This is for 90 tabs, the bottle recommends 1-3 a day.
A 30-90 day supply.
I took 2 a day and had little effect from them.
I have found a very reliable international supplier selling British Dragon stanozol.
$160.00 will get you 500 10mg tabs.
That is enough for over 3 cycles.
From a financial standpoint, which makes more sense?
And the effectiveness of stanozol aka Winstrol. Can not be debated at all. Can we agree on that?
My point is this, if you are going to spend a chunk of money on something that may or may not work. Why waste your time and money on the one that is not time tested.
Stanozol if taken sensibly is not much more harsh (if any) on your system than it's
knockoffs.
"these new "legal" supplements as you like to call them have been tried and tested time and time again. and while you spent 8 weeks doing gear, i accomplishedthe same in 4 on my hyped up bullshit."
And I've got to call BULLSHIT on this statement, unless this is your gains that were made when you first started lifting.
Here's a better way to put this, if the "legal" steroids are so good.
Why do professional athletes at the risk of losing a multimillion dollar career, risk using real steroids.
By the way, if you for one second beleive that BSN products really played a hand at all at helping Ronnie Coleman win his 8th olympia you're more deluded than I thought.
I never advocated the use of steroids, it just happened to work really well for me.
I simply want to make that known.
Have a nice weekend, moron.:nono:
Orastan retails for $60.00-$80.00.
This is for 90 tabs, the bottle recommends 1-3 a day.
A 30-90 day supply.
I took 2 a day and had little effect from them.
I have found a very reliable international supplier selling British Dragon stanozol.
$160.00 will get you 500 10mg tabs.
That is enough for over 3 cycles.
From a financial standpoint, which makes more sense?
And the effectiveness of stanozol aka Winstrol. Can not be debated at all. Can we agree on that?
My point is this, if you are going to spend a chunk of money on something that may or may not work. Why waste your time and money on the one that is not time tested.
Stanozol if taken sensibly is not much more harsh (if any) on your system than it's
knockoffs.
"these new "legal" supplements as you like to call them have been tried and tested time and time again. and while you spent 8 weeks doing gear, i accomplishedthe same in 4 on my hyped up bullshit."
And I've got to call BULLSHIT on this statement, unless this is your gains that were made when you first started lifting.
Here's a better way to put this, if the "legal" steroids are so good.
Why do professional athletes at the risk of losing a multimillion dollar career, risk using real steroids.
By the way, if you for one second beleive that BSN products really played a hand at all at helping Ronnie Coleman win his 8th olympia you're more deluded than I thought.
I never advocated the use of steroids, it just happened to work really well for me.
I simply want to make that known.
Have a nice weekend, moron.:nono:
poopypants
Banned
ok once again your out to disprove yourself.Bigdaddyandy said:
i cant quote some inflated retail # for stanozol because there is none there is only real market numbers. so why dont you quote the real market numbers for the prostan/orastan as well.
i may have given you a misconception about what i meant when i said i made that gain in 4 weeks. it was not with orastan but was with one of the other so called legal steroids.
let me make myself clear, i spent $60 on a Phera-Plex prostan stack. took it for 4 weeks and gained 17 lbs. retained 12 after PCT.this was not my first cycle but my fifth. if i can make those gains for that amount of money, do it in 4 weeks and do it legally then ill go that road every time. id like to see you spend same amount of money and produce those results with gear.
if anyone claimed to make that kind of gain off winny they would be retarted let alone a derivative of it.
WHOA were did this statement come from? who is him? and when did i say that someone should beleive every muscle mag ad they see? nobody other then yourself has been bringing up all the GNC and BSN references, i dont know if you really hate them and like taking random stabs at that part of the industry but you wont hear any arguments over here that your gonna get steroid like results from some No2 products.Bigdaddyandy said:
What im trying to say is you cant totally discredit every legal steroid with such a blanket statement just cause one of them is underdosed. if your trying to get methyl like results from a nonmethyl then your dreaming. (aka winny
rastan)either way im done with this conversation as it is going nowhere and you obviously know what your talking about.
see ya later.
edit: BTW thanks for neg reppin me it really hurt. this isnt BB.com and you have to have rep power in order to endow/revoke any rep from your fellow members. so thanks for the comment and i hope you enjoy your day.
Bigdaddyandy
New member
price factor real vs legal
I own a fitness center and most of the experienced members have tried the alternatives and have been disappointed by the results.
When I say experienced I mean 27 years and up.
You're still young, too young for gear.
When you're young you can still make gains.
I would tell anyone considering to use to be at least 25 years old.
I get my supplements wholesale Orastan is $39.95 wholesale most places sell them at a 100% mark up.
Everything I sell I try and personally recommend. Except gear, it carries too stiff a penalty to run out of my place of business.
I tried Orastan and some other "legal"
alternatives and had disappointing results. For the money spent and time
spent training.
Sorry if I got kind of obnoxious with that last post, but it felt like a personal jab.
Have a good weekend dude.:cheers:
P.S. Don't cry over your negative rep, it's not like this really matters. Unless all you have is an internet blog to get on your soapbox and preach, blah, blah,blah.
I own a fitness center and most of the experienced members have tried the alternatives and have been disappointed by the results.
When I say experienced I mean 27 years and up.
You're still young, too young for gear.
When you're young you can still make gains.
I would tell anyone considering to use to be at least 25 years old.
I get my supplements wholesale Orastan is $39.95 wholesale most places sell them at a 100% mark up.
Everything I sell I try and personally recommend. Except gear, it carries too stiff a penalty to run out of my place of business.
I tried Orastan and some other "legal"
alternatives and had disappointing results. For the money spent and time
spent training.
Sorry if I got kind of obnoxious with that last post, but it felt like a personal jab.
Have a good weekend dude.:cheers:
P.S. Don't cry over your negative rep, it's not like this really matters. Unless all you have is an internet blog to get on your soapbox and preach, blah, blah,blah.
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poopypants
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hey well thanks for the cheers and im glad we are able to bring this to a civil level.Bigdaddyandy said:
im sorry if it seemed personal, i dont try attacking a person but their statement made, if i find what seems to be a fault in it.
i respect your opinion as a fitness shop owner and agree that trying to move anythiing illeagal out of your shop would be suicide. but i do constantly see orastan @ the exact wholesale priice you quoted, and thats why i no longer shop in supp stores but online.'
i can understand your dissapointment with some of the supps that havent worked for you, there are a few that are absolute bull and hype but the ones mainly discussed here on these boards have had only a few that have been dissapointed with their results.
i never take a supplement just cause some add or hype said its gonna make me swole, but i wait and research and see real world results from reputable board members.
if you gotta chance to you should try getting some PP and Superdrol in your shop, there are quite a few other companies now making it other then just Anabolic Extreme, all reputable, and give that to some of you experienced members. im sure they wont be disapointed with the results.
Yes i understand your statement and recomendation not to take any exogeneous hormones until the age of 25, but the fact is i stopped growing when i was 15 (early growth spurt and puberty) im still 5'11" today and im certain that my own recreational drug use throughout highschool didnt help much with shutting/slowing down my natural gains. so after i quit my recreational use and did 3 years of training without any hinderance and still couldnt break a plateau with btoh diet and routine changes thats when i made the personal decision to take this type of supplement. everyone is different and putting any kind of age limit on this kind of thing is not always applicable.
either way man i hope you can see there is some worth while legal alternatives out there and are lucky enough to get those in your shop and not the bunk ones. i promise your customer that picks up a bottle of Phera Plex will be a return one.:cheers:
UberPooper1
Member
dang 200mgs...sheesh. my 75mg seems pathetic now..however i am doing the emax at 20mg with it...
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
I finished a cycle of SD and ERGO a while back. As dumb as this sounds, I really hated the PCT I went through after. Too many products, all to forget cortisol blocking-0 lost my 6 pack cause of it, shut doweb hard from the ERGO,...
Anyways, so I was thinking of running a solo Prostanz next. Aside from spitting all the usual PCT products, If I ran the Prostanz for about 30 days at 75-100, (I know it may not be the most anabolic thing I could do, and at 75 a day, it seems to be more anti-catabolic, but that too is still an advantage- oh, I already bought 2 bottles.) What (if any) would I need to use for PCT???
Im looking for an answer really, not "Dont waste your money", "theres better things put there",..
Just a yes or no on needing to run PCT and if yes, what would It NEED to be????
(Also, if anyone has run prostanz solo for some period of time, what were any mass gains expirenced?)
Anyways, so I was thinking of running a solo Prostanz next. Aside from spitting all the usual PCT products, If I ran the Prostanz for about 30 days at 75-100, (I know it may not be the most anabolic thing I could do, and at 75 a day, it seems to be more anti-catabolic, but that too is still an advantage- oh, I already bought 2 bottles.) What (if any) would I need to use for PCT???
Im looking for an answer really, not "Dont waste your money", "theres better things put there",..
Just a yes or no on needing to run PCT and if yes, what would It NEED to be????
(Also, if anyone has run prostanz solo for some period of time, what were any mass gains expirenced?)
poopypants
Banned
xtraflossy said:
A BIG FAT YES! always run PCT man even if you go on for like 4 or 5 days you have to run some kind of PCT. now to what extent is a different question that can only really be answered by you. id at least stick to some rebound, retain, and activate for PCT then your normal liver and bp ect ancillries. if anything bro youll continue to grow through your PCT if done correctly! oh ya and ps prostan can increase your libido so there is a chance for it to crash PCT so might want to throw some fenugreek in there, but its all about how your feeling. i did fine without and i had ran PP and prostan together followed by SD and still had a libido throughout.
DoubleMint
New member
Since Orastan is a winny derivative, is it bad on hair just as winny is ??
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
Well,... I ran 50-75 throughout most of my PCT thinking since it really wasnt a test like product (like ERGO and the like)- as a nitrogen rententor (like winny), to help maintain my gains. It definately seemed to work as I didnt drop any weight, but added some body fat due most likely to the SD increasing cortisol post cycle.
Does anyone know what Prostan "screws up" the most???? I mean, SD really throws your lipids outa wack= cortisol levels after cycle go way up. Just wanted to know, so If I decided to run the 2 bottles solo next, I could taylor my PCT for the most detrimental aspect.
Does anyone know what Prostan "screws up" the most???? I mean, SD really throws your lipids outa wack= cortisol levels after cycle go way up. Just wanted to know, so If I decided to run the 2 bottles solo next, I could taylor my PCT for the most detrimental aspect.
JonesersRX7
Registered User
xtraflossy said:
So you ran Prostan through out your PCT?
And how do you know had elevated cortisol that caused you to lose your six pack? And Superdrol makes cortisol go "way up"
All seems speculative. Yes we know that cortisol is elevated durring PCT or comming off a cycle but SD raising it more so than something else....
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
I agree cortisol goes up after cycle. It wasnt due to something else because I only ran the SD for the majority of the cycle (the only other thing was a few days of the Prostanze after)
I stopped the SD in week 3, and ran prostanz only: week 4. (and since I figured it was so mild, I overlapped it at 50/day for 3 days with the begining of my PCT.
I mean: dont different steroids have some different ways that effect you in PCT? I mean, I would think that PCT for SD alone would require more then Winn would (if taken solo, different cycles). Wouldnt that apply to some degree to those "available" now?
I stopped the SD in week 3, and ran prostanz only: week 4. (and since I figured it was so mild, I overlapped it at 50/day for 3 days with the begining of my PCT.
I mean: dont different steroids have some different ways that effect you in PCT? I mean, I would think that PCT for SD alone would require more then Winn would (if taken solo, different cycles). Wouldnt that apply to some degree to those "available" now?
poopypants
Banned
:gotsearchHbs6 said:
na but for real man thats a safe cycle, just sounds like you may not know enough to run it still though, is the rebound the only thing you have lined up for PCT?
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
I'm guessing you did a search,... Its hard to find ANYONE who went Prostanz solo- so who knows.
But there are many things you can add though
But there are many things you can add though
Hbs6
Member
yeah i searched. heres the thing. B4 i searched a few moths ago i ran orastan at 75 a day for 30 days. DIdnt PCT (didnt know any better, i know stupid) made gains while takining it and didnt have any sides. But as i am sure any of you could guess, i didnt keep much of those gains. So i thought maybe upping the dose and having a PCT would help me because it seemed that body would respond well. And yes thats all i was gonna run PCT. So plz give me come suggesstions if i should do more. thank you.
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
Im very interested in what kind of gains you made. Also, how much did you loose?
Any changes in bodyfat durring and after?
Did you expirence any shutdown when you stopped?
Heres the thing: Everyone will tell you different things as what to take for PCT.
If you didnt feel like you had any shutdown at the end, then you may not need 100 different types of everything.
But in this case anything is better then nothing.
I would say, if your tight on money, get some Tribulas, and then at least one type of estrogen blocker.
I mean, it may not be the greatest, but it would seem (givin you keep training and diet up after).
If ya wanna keep it simple, I was planning on useing (when I run it solo in a few months):
I have a bottle of N1T (sounds cheezy, I know), but its a trib based formula that increases "free" natural test.
Any changes in bodyfat durring and after?
Did you expirence any shutdown when you stopped?
Heres the thing: Everyone will tell you different things as what to take for PCT.
If you didnt feel like you had any shutdown at the end, then you may not need 100 different types of everything.
But in this case anything is better then nothing.
I would say, if your tight on money, get some Tribulas, and then at least one type of estrogen blocker.
I mean, it may not be the greatest, but it would seem (givin you keep training and diet up after).
If ya wanna keep it simple, I was planning on useing (when I run it solo in a few months):
I have a bottle of N1T (sounds cheezy, I know), but its a trib based formula that increases "free" natural test.
xtraflossy
Board Supporter
The advantage would be if there is some recepter desentization to the compound, increasing the dose slightly woulf off set that.
The same way an alcholic can drink way more because of increased tolerence.
The same way an alcholic can drink way more because of increased tolerence.
Hbs6
Member
The reason behind the ramping up of the dose is because I have read that if you slowly increase the dose then you can see at what dose causes any sides and to me it seems that if i am lets say running 100 mg a day and i making gains and then i bring it to 125, and all of a sudden some sort of side happens whatever it may be, you can lower the dose. Thats what i have read from other ppl doing cycles. Dont know if this is a good way to think about it but i thought I would give it a shot. Is that stupid or what?
Hbs6
Member
xtraflossy said:
Sorry for not answering you. Precycle if i remember correctly i was at 13.2 or 14% bf (sorry it was a few months ago). At the tail end of the cycle. It was down to 11.2. And gained a little weight, like 3 lbs. No I didnt lose any libido or anything like that. In fact i didnt have one side. As far as what i lossed: I do not feel i lossed much muscle and strength was also up, but i do feel i had a little fat gain maybe from not having a PCT. Its hard to tell cuz i did bring up my calories (slightly) but my bf went up to 13% along with some gains i made naturally. I feel that since i have been just liftin and eating right and training for lacrosse my bf is still about the same but when i was on the orastan i could eat much more and it all went to where i wanted it to go.
poopypants
Banned
you say obviously you gain more but typically thats untrue. you only need to take as much of a compound as what works for you. if it takes alot then take alot but who knows if you could get the same results with less. lets put it this way its just smart to. you save product you give yourself the ability to gain throughout a cycle (cause your always taking "what works") and you dont totally screw your tolerance right off the bat messing up end of cycle gains that you could have made but now need a bijillion milligrams to make those gains.... and thats if even a higher dose will still work cause its possible youve allready completely burned up all your receptors. plus it works. sorry for the rant but now you know. :thumbsup:E-Swift25 said:
poopypants
Banned
no just double checkin to see if you knew what your doing. i can suggest about a million thigs but with a weaker one like orastan it may not be all necessary. id take PCT maybe activate and retain or some other cortsol blocker although i doubt it will be a problem with the orastan, better safe then sorry and with that you can very likely gain throughout your PCT. youll want like CEE and look into powerfull and cissus if you really want to get big through pct or maybe after. thats all i got.Hbs6 said:
E-Swift25
New member
poopypants said:
Umm, receptor downgrading is a myth. You don't build a tolerance to steroids. Evidence actually suggest thats your receptors become more effective with AAS usage. From a standpoint of using more than your body can make use of, that's understandable. Starting at a reasonable dose is always recommended.
poopypants
Banned
cant give you specifics since i havent taken it myself yet, but run a search on here and on google and youll pull up tons of info. they are a board sponsor as well synergymuscle.com. great company.Hbs6 said:
you can run it all through PCT but in all honesty id just take it after since if you take the ATD and the activate together then youll manage to gain through PCT specially after a prostan cycle.