Oral only cycles?
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rphash49
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For the most part the people that bash them are using real gear. In general you can run AAS cycles much longer and they are more effective.
carbcrazy
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Yeah i understand that, but their argument is that orals shut you down and you have low test and there are negative sides to that but at the same time arent there just as many possible negatives to supraphysiological amounts of test, other than dem gainnzzzz? Am i all the way wrong here?
superbeast668
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It has nothing to do with shut down and low t. ANY steroid shuts you down. Period.
The negatives to orals is it can't stress this next word enough, SEVERE liver toxicity. On top of the toxicity an oral isn't worth much. You may gain 35 lbs in 4 weeks. But 34 of it is extreme glycogen and water retention and fat gain. A strong oral, dbol for example, great drug. Not worth much when you only run 4 weeks though. 6 more weeks of test or another injectable will help solidify the gains. You don't want to take something like winny or var for another 6 weeks. You've already beat up your liver pretty good.
carbcrazy
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Thanks yeah i understand that, anything exogenous can hinder natural production.
Thanks for clarifying, was lurking another board and they make it seem as if an oral only cycle is a life sentance.
AlexPowell
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You'll get to around a fat free mass index of 25 doing this.
You're 5'9, 175cm, so FFMI of 25 is 77kg of lean mass or maybe 82kg in contest condition (5-6%)
Or you can just take some testosterone and get there in half the time while being healthy
JD261985
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You'd be amazed at what supposed "real gear " is in UGL grade steroids. Unless it's from an anti aging clinic or prescribed by a real doctor you have no idea what you're actually getting..and how under dosed
Number 10
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Being honest, I have run oral only cycles in the past and they've served a purpose. For mass gain I've not done it, but when looking to cut I do think there is a place for a short oral only cycle if that's all you want to do.
For me it had nothing to do with whether I wanted to inject or not (as I was still using HCG to combat atrophy), but a 5 week cycle of Var and T'bol did the trick for me in terms of maintaining and even increasing strength levels and losing body fat. PCT'ing properly is tricky though.
I don't have an opinion backed by experience when it comes to mass only cycles, but I would tend to agree with the view that you would almost certainly want to be running something for 8 weeks minimum, and that really only leaves injectables, with test forming your base.
All this said, I still don't have a huge amount of experience, just my personal opinion.
For me it had nothing to do with whether I wanted to inject or not (as I was still using HCG to combat atrophy), but a 5 week cycle of Var and T'bol did the trick for me in terms of maintaining and even increasing strength levels and losing body fat. PCT'ing properly is tricky though.
I don't have an opinion backed by experience when it comes to mass only cycles, but I would tend to agree with the view that you would almost certainly want to be running something for 8 weeks minimum, and that really only leaves injectables, with test forming your base.
All this said, I still don't have a huge amount of experience, just my personal opinion.
superbeast668
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When someone wants to run multiple compounds much longer than 4 weeks severe liver toxicity comes into play. 1 oral at week 1-4 won't kill someone. Getting carried away with sd methyl sten, dmz halo and epi in one cycle will. On top of liver issues most orals screw up lipid panels and cholesterol and basically everything you don't want changed. Inj are slightly safer. Lethargy happens on injectables as well. I see a lot of people speculating like this. Don't. DMZ jacks me up so bad even on a gram of test the only thing I want in life is sleep. Superdrol ain't much better. Tell me after 4 weeks of full blown trensomnia you're bright cheery and chipper. Nah. It gives lethargy a new meaning
Number 10
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Never done tren so can't comment, but lethargy was an issue towards the end of the fourth and into the fifth week of the oral only cycle I spoke about earlier. I will qualify this though because it could easily have been a diet issue as I was cutting and still training hard, so supplements may have had nothing to do with it.
SuperPro
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I agree with what you said about stacking methyls, people get stupid with that. I ran SD with test 20/30/30/30 though, felt amazing the whole time. Though I had worse lethargy with halodrol solo than anytime I've ran SD.
AlexPowell
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The lethargy is basically everything in overdrive, metabolism, cns, everything is supercharged
It's like you're redlined the whole time, where natty you're idling at 2000
Test can help this, but sometimes at start of the cycle you'll get this until the body adapts. You won't notice it in the gym or being active though. If you come off during this time you really notice just how tired you were, the AAS masks it
It's like you're redlined the whole time, where natty you're idling at 2000
Test can help this, but sometimes at start of the cycle you'll get this until the body adapts. You won't notice it in the gym or being active though. If you come off during this time you really notice just how tired you were, the AAS masks it
SuperPro
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Makes sense. Never thought of it that way.
Hdrol at 100 ed was the worst for me though, I would be in the gym feeling half asleep yawning and rubbing my eyes between sets. Was like a machine when I was reppin though, very weird. Body obviously didn't handle it well. Was also first cycle so maybe that had something to do with it.
AlexPowell
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700mg a week is a hell of a first cycle
You're operating on close to 10x the natural level of androgens lol
You're operating on close to 10x the natural level of androgens lol
fueledpassion
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Test/Tren does not give lethargy to most. It usually is the other way around. Years ago I ran it and energy was consistently off the charts as long as my blood sugar was correct. I would sleep for 5hrs and feel completely reenergized and ready to go for another 18hrs. Crazy.
tinytony
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I'm sure not having lethargy due to these two compounds. I feel really good!