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Oral 4-Test cypionate?

This is the best source on the web for solid information regarding the cutting edge supplement market. And I agree with Adams - if you don't know what you are talking about then ask questions - don't teach.

I will insult such brazen idiocracy only with the hope of stifling it.
 
Stupes said:
This is the best source on the web for solid information regarding the cutting edge supplement market. And I agree with Adams - if you don't know what you are talking about then ask questions - don't teach.

I will insult such brazen idiocracy only with the hope of stifling it.
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Damn your 31 and making insults as if you were 16. Be civil my man and please don't Preach correct english to me. I can give 2 shits what your or you're i use, this is a thread not an english paper. Thats why i went to the military so i could skip college and still make a **** load of money when i get out. I have no problem admitting i am wrong but no one has yest to show any evidence that this product was meant to be injected. You showed theories but nothing has been proven. I'm going to Ask PA about this and see what he says. He will probably take a few days but I will let you know what i find out. If you don't believe what he says then i don't know what to say the man invented pro hormones. Hopefully this will squash the discussion. Stupes leave the bullshit insults some where else, grow up and act like a man this is a civil debate and i hope it remains that way.
 
joeymutz said:
Damn your 31 and making insults as if you were 16. Be civil my man and please don't Preach correct english to me. I can give 2 shits what your or you're i use, this is a thread not an english paper. Thats why i went to the military so i could skip college and still make a **** load of money when i get out. I have no problem admitting i am wrong but no one has yest to show any evidence that this product was meant to be injected. You showed theories but nothing has been proven. I'm going to Ask PA about this and see what he says. He will probably take a few days but I will let you know what i find out. If you don't believe what he says then i don't know what to say the man invented pro hormones. Hopefully this will squash the discussion. Stupes leave the bullshit insults some where else, grow up and act like a man this is a civil debate and i hope it remains that way.
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Why don't you just ask dsade or sldge(Matt Cahill)? Designer Supplements used to make products like this and dsade used to work for Avant when they still made transdermals..
 
T-Bone said:
It was a marketing thing to package their products like that. I was a member of the VPX message board when it first started out. In fact I was a memeber their before I became a member here. So don't try to tell me these products were meant to be injected.....Go ahead and tell the OP to inject it, but he will probally end up in the hospital!
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If you had the same salty attitude on there that you have here, then I can understand why they wouldn't let you in on the pretty poorly kept secret. Post this question to dsade or sldge and see what they tell you.
 
Gents....those "pain free sterile" solutions WERE meant to be injected in order to work at it's best! Yes, VPX had some Liposomal oral componds, but in the case of 4-Test, and other "pain free sterile " solutions, were advertised as oreal for legal reasons, but WERE MEANT TO BE INJECTED!
 
swole210 said:
Gents....those "pain free sterile" solutions WERE meant to be injected in order to work at it's best! Yes, VPX had some Liposomal oral componds, but in the case of 4-Test, and other "pain free sterile " solutions, were advertised as oreal for legal reasons, but WERE MEANT TO BE INJECTED!
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I dunno where you could have gotten the idea that these were meant to be injected.:blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:

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This is my email to PA and what he has to say:

Me:
I'm trying to squash a debate over this product and I think your the only one i know of that can help me.

Vpx released 2 products VPX 4-Test - 4-androstene-3, 17 Cypionate ester and VPX's 1-Test (17-beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-ene-3-one Cypionate Ester
i know they have a cypionate ester but Arent they meant to be taken orally? is this just a marketing ploy to get people to buy there product. Make it look like an injectable.


PA:
they were released as oral supplements. whether or not they were formulated in such a way to facilitate their use as an injectable i dunno. bottom line is it was basically a marketing ploy
 
they were meant to be injectable for sure, just like kynoselen , synthol and others that are advertissed for oral use but everybody knows they are meant to be injectable
 
As far as these go, esters are designed to be slowly released into the bloodstream from inside the muscle after injection. There is ZERO sense is making this an oral, even if you can get the product to survive first pass through the liver, you can't keep the release steady at all. You will never see anyone even remotely connected with VPX admit these were injectable because of liability and the fact that they would be committing a felony for each unit sold.

However, the information on the inside is rampant...these were designed/able to be injected, and the premium price was for people unwilling to do their own conversions.

The marketing actually went the other way...those that thought this was oral were taken in by the hardcore packaging.

Then again, this is from the company that released "Gangsta-Test."
 
joeymutz said:
Marketing Ploy @ of us belive that these were meant to be taken orally as suggested by the company. A chemist was asked the question and I showed his response he said the same thing. I have yet to see any proof stating it was meant to be injected but people just keep popping n and saying what others already said. Yes it comes in a bottle and looks like it can be injected. As i have stated great marketing pure genius. The only person that can really answer this question correctly is the person who made it. It can be injected because people have done it but taken orally will be pain free and yield the same reults. As I stated earlier a friend took it just as suggested on the bottle and saw some great results. I don't know anyone who injected this stuff but unless they put on 20lbs of solid mass then i'd say take it as suggested to avoid severe pain from the injections of this stuff, every where i have read people said it was the worst pain injection that they ever felt.
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Physically impossible. BEST CASE scenario, with lipoblahblah absorption, you might get 30%, compared to 100% from injecting.
 
joeymutz said:
Marketing Ploy @ of us belive that these were meant to be taken orally as suggested by the company. A chemist was asked the question and I showed his response he said the same thing. I have yet to see any proof stating it was meant to be injected but people just keep popping n and saying what others already said. Yes it comes in a bottle and looks like it can be injected. As i have stated great marketing pure genius. The only person that can really answer this question correctly is the person who made it. It can be injected because people have done it but taken orally will be pain free and yield the same reults. As I stated earlier a friend took it just as suggested on the bottle and saw some great results. I don't know anyone who injected this stuff but unless they put on 20lbs of solid mass then i'd say take it as suggested to avoid severe pain from the injections of this stuff, every where i have read people said it was the worst pain injection that they ever felt.
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There is no genius to making a product look like an injectable when processing and bottling it for oral usage would be cheaper. Attaching cypionate esters, suspending it in oil, and claiming that it is sterile is not a cheap process. They had a true line of lipophilic hormones that did produce great gains, looked like an oral product, and were a bit cheaper than the injectable line.
 
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Really I don't care at this point about this. The thread can continue to roll on and on but I won't post or even read this thread anymore. There is no need to argue about this anymore.
 
Im not reading the whole thread but its meant to be injected. It can be taken orally but its meant for injection. Orally you are going to lose about half of what you take but if you drink it while taking 20-30gms of fat with it you can increase its absorbtion.

Its a great compopund when injected and can be decent when taken orally. If I were drinking it I would try and take 300-500mgs per day depending on bodyweight. Staking something with it like epi would be a very good cycle. Great increases in strength without a ton of weight increases. No need for an AI as the OH group acts as an anti-estrogen. Run PCT as normal.

If there is something that needs to be answered just post it again. I just dont have enough time to read 3 pages of people arguing about its actual use as opposed to what its advertised use was.
 
Designer Supps said:
Im not reading the whole thread but its meant to be injected. It can be taken orally but its meant for injection. Orally you are going to lose about half of what you take but if you drink it while taking 20-30gms of fat with it you can increase its absorbtion.

Its a great compopund when injected and can be decent when taken orally. If I were drinking it I would try and take 300-500mgs per day depending on bodyweight. Staking something with it like epi would be a very good cycle. Great increases in strength without a ton of weight increases. No need for an AI as the OH group acts as an anti-estrogen. Run PCT as normal.

If there is something that needs to be answered just post it again. I just dont have enough time to read 3 pages of people arguing about its actual use as opposed to what its advertised use was.
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I miss me some SledgeTest. :(
 
I remember seeing VPX's ad's in flex and I was confused as hell on what you did with it haha. I loved the charts they had.
 
AnimalLifter said:
It is made to inject as stated above.

If its not worthwhile to use orally i probably won't use it at all. I'm only halfway sure i even want to do a PH cycle again let alone an injectable.

Ive got 3 bottle of 1-test and 2 bottles of the 4-test. if none of my friends want them i'll probably just toss them.

Thanks for the input.
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DON'T toss 'em!! PM me please!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
T-Bone said:
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. Really I don't care at this point about this. The thread can continue to roll on and on but I won't post or even read this thread anymore. There is no need to argue about this anymore.
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Wow, its funny that you don't care about the thread since on the first page of the thread you were so outraged (about me being right :think:), you called me a "fvcking moron". What a d*ck you are...Next time know what the fvck you're talking about before you start spouting expletives at random posters!!
 
motiv8er said:
I wasnt pinning yet when it was Sledgetest time :(

And my answer is: Put it in your butt
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I think one of the most poignant observations of life is: When in doubt PIITB.
 
dsade said:
I think one of the most poignant observations of life is: When in doubt PIITB.
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It is shocking how that seems to answer ALL of lifes questions.... Does she love me? Am I gay? Do I have cancer? PIITB

Hum... it fits. haha
 
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