Optimize my health

rpeterson33

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hello,

long time follower, don’t post a ton but looking for some help and input. I’m 33, 6 ft tall, sitting at 261 this morning. I went in for a low T test. Before I jump on TRT I want to do everything in my power to optimize my health which I know starts with dropping my pounds. While I optimize my diet I also want o optimize my supplement. I will continue taking cel m test, no labs to back it up but I just feel better when I take this supplement. I also take a zma supplement before bed. I would like to improve sleep and overall well being. I should have my blood results in a few days and will post results as soon as I have them. Is there anything else I should consider supplementation wise?! Thanks.
 
I'm glad to hear that you feel better when taking M-Test - I use that daily myself and really like it. Bloodwork wise, its the best thing I've ever used to help increase my free testosterone levels.

I think that you would really enjoy stacking it with Optimize-T (that's what I do myself).

If I had to pick any one thing to suggest stacking it with, I would say Optimize-T.

Also, a lot of people love stacking it with Xtreme Performance Gels Alpha Gel.

You mentioned improving sleep quality and overall well-being, I think you may would really like Growth Factor XT. It's an excellent supplement to help increase your natural GH levels and many people see dramatically improved sleep quality from it.

Here are some links that you may find helpful:

Optimize-T:

https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/optimize-t-120-veg-caps/

Optimize-T - Feedback thread:

SNS Optimize-T - Ultra Premium Natural Test Booster & Libido Enhancer - Now Available

Natural Testosterone Booster & Libido Enhancer Optimize Free & Total Testosterone Levels Clinically Researched Key Ingredients 8 High End Active Ingredients …. Backed by Clinically Researched Key Ingredients 500 mg. FuroSap® 500 Mg. Spilanthes (SA3X™) 300 mg. Bionutricia® Tongkat Ali...
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Growth Factor XT:

https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/growth-factor-xt/

Growth Factor XT - Feedback thread:

Growth Factor XT - Advanced Natural Growth Hormone Optimizer & More - AnabolicMinds.com

Introducing Growth Factor XT Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed Cutting Edge Natural Growth Hormone Optimizer Recovery, Relaxation, Rejuvenation, & More Look Better, Feel Better, Perform Better Growth Factor XT isn’t just another product that falls into an existing category of...
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Alpha Gel - Feedback thread:

Alpha Gel by XPG - Natural Testosterone & Libido Support Gel - Available Now

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Supplements can help but if your body fat is high it can drive down test and up estrogen. Make sure diet and cardio is on point. To many guys skip on cardio and don't understand the importance. Lots love mtest and if it makes you feel better keep with it. If you are actually trying to drive up test I'd go with enclomopheine.
 
I always like to use a good fish oil supplement, as I don’t have that in my diet very often.

Steve had some great recommendations and I can vouch for Alpha gel, I generally feel great while using this. It drastically (for me) improves my sleep. I don’t sleep bad but while using Alpha gel I get a lot deeper more restful sleep!
 
Getting on TRT with bodyfat greater than about 17 percent will most likely result in more fat. What do u think your at?
 
botk1161 said:
Getting on TRT with bodyfat greater than about 17 percent will most likely result in more fat. What do u think your at?
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That’s not true at all unless they sit around and stuff their face with junk. If someone actually needs TRT and don’t get on it then you better bet they will get fat no matter what they do. If someone needs TRT and gets on, and lives a healthy lifestyle then they will be able to lose weight and gain muscle.
 
I’m between 15-20 I would say, former college football linebacker turned powerlifter. Not jumping on trt regardless until I drop 20 pounds.
 
The person that posted the thread said that they were looking for supplement suggestions because they are trying to optimize their testosterone levels before having to jump on TRT, which I read to mean that they are trying to not take TRT.

They then ended their post with:
Is there anything else I should consider supplementation wise?

Enclomiphene is not a supplement, its a serious drug with potentially serious side effects, so I don't think that's the type of thing they are asking for; it actually seems like the type of thing that they are trying to avoid.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because the Admin has stated several times in the last few months that the sarm, research chemical, and drug conversation has to stop in the supplement section. It's always been a rule, but wasn't a strictly enforced one but he made it known that it is going to be - and has had to clean up several threads because of it and banned a couple posters that wouldn't stop.

I'm pointing this out is because there are a lot of people that read here and that don't post, and this is the supplement section of the website, so those people are usually coming here for supplement information. Not every person has the time to put a ton of research into everything and its important that people that look in the supplement section aren't mislead or confused into thinking that something suggested here is a supplement when it is actually a drug.

Another reason I'm mentioning that is because the Admin has stated several times in the last few months that the sarm, research chemical, and drug conversation has to stop in the supplement section - and they have had to clean up several threads because of it and banned a couple posters that wouldn't stop.
 
rpeterson33 said:
I’m between 15-20 I would say, former college football linebacker turned powerlifter. Not jumping on trt regardless until I drop 20 pounds.
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I think that you have the right idea in trying to maximize your natural testosterone levels and seeing where your bloodwork is before jumping on TRT.

TRT is a serious thing and serious commitment and shouldn't be taken lightly; especially at your age. I'm not against it, but I view it as a last resort after other options have been exhausted.
 
Agree on for optimize t and growth factor xt. Been on optimize t for 8 months, having my diet and training already in check optimize gave me that little extra push and gave me extra vigor.

Growth factor is one of those supplements I felt like I never needed. Stubborn in the sense I never really got truly good sleep maybe 4-5 hours a night plus multiple nights with night terrors (this includes me taking prescribed sleep medicines so sleep has always been slacking). Growth factor has me waking up invigorated easily getting 6 hours of sleep when time permits. Honestly the way I sleep and wake up everyday while taking GF xt I cannot put a price on it this has been a game changer for me.
 
sammpedd88 said:
That’s not true at all unless they sit around and stuff their face with junk. If someone actually needs TRT and don’t get on it then you better bet they will get fat no matter what they do. If someone needs TRT and gets on, and lives a healthy lifestyle then they will be able to lose weight and gain muscle.
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There are tons of people at 20-25 percent plus bodyfat that go on TRT who eat “right” and “go to the gym” who get fatter due higher estrogen from taking testosterone after being promised what they thought was going to be a lean body from TRT. I was one of them until I got my body fat down. I don’t know how many of these stories I heard over the years. Anyhow, OP seems have less bodyfat and wants to lose more before starting.
 
botk1161 said:
There are tons of people at 20-25 percent plus bodyfat that go on TRT who eat “right” and “go to the gym” who get fatter due higher estrogen from taking testosterone after being promised what they thought was going to be a lean body from TRT. I was one of them until I got my body fat down. I don’t know how many of these stories I heard over the years. Anyhow, OP seems have less bodyfat and wants to lose more before starting.
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Being on proper TRT is not just injecting test. Way more to it and I know you know that. When I got on it 10 years ago my dr had no clue what he was doing. He gave me Androgel and sent me on my way. I then went to a urologist who wouldn’t prescribe me an AI and wanted me to do one injection every two weeks. So I found my current dr and ALL of my hormone levels among other things are checked regularly as all TRT protocols should be.
 
sammpedd88 said:
That’s not true at all unless they sit around and stuff their face with junk. If someone actually needs TRT and don’t get on it then you better bet they will get fat no matter what they do. If someone needs TRT and gets on, and lives a healthy lifestyle then they will be able to lose weight and gain muscle.
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When I went on 100mg TRT, my estrogen shot up bigtime and by the time I got an AI it took about a year to get my estrogen back in control. In that time I got fatter, slower, weaker. And this was while training hard and eating well. Not at all what I thought TRT was going to bring me lol. And I was not comfortable with having to take an AI all my life. I could not lose weight with the level of estrogen TRT brought me too. My starting bodyfat was at about 20% (or less). Keep in mind that I was morbidly obese for the first 30 years of my life (I am 56 now). So 20% bodyfat is the holy grail for a person like me. I was well over 400lbs (5'6") at 25 years old when I started my journey with a 56" waste lol. I am a super easy gainer (fat / muscle) and very estrogen dominant / sensitive. My bodyfat now is about 17% and I don't need an AI. Its that change from 20% to about 17% that made all the difference in the world. I see guys make the same mistake all the time (even if "the data" tells otherwise). They train hard and have a good diet, but have never got below 20% bodyfat. All I can say is don't start TRT until your at least 17%. But that's just my opinion.
 
botk1161 said:
Getting on TRT with bodyfat greater than about 17 percent will most likely result in more fat. What do u think your at?
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Nonsense...

But OP, remember, TRT is for life (if you are low). Get complete bloods done to see where youre at before even thinking about TRT... If you are good in range 500> why shut yourself down for (possibly) life at your age?

Seems like you have some other priorities to work on 1st (some weightoss, etc)...
 
botk1161 said:
When I went on 100mg TRT, my estrogen shot up bigtime and by the time I got an AI it took about a year to get my estrogen back in control. In that time I got fatter, slower, weaker. And this was while training hard and eating well. Not at all what I thought TRT was going to bring me lol. And I was not comfortable with having to take an AI all my life. I could not lose weight with the level of estrogen TRT brought me too. My starting bodyfat was at about 20% (or less). Keep in mind that I was morbidly obese for the first 30 years of my life (I am 56 now). So 20% bodyfat is the holy grail for a person like me. I was well over 400lbs (5'6") at 25 years old when I started my journey with a 56" waste lol. I am a super easy gainer (fat / muscle) and very estrogen dominant / sensitive. My bodyfat now is about 17% and I don't need an AI. Its that change from 20% to about 17% that made all the difference in the world. I see guys make the same mistake all the time (even if "the data" tells otherwise). They train hard and have a good diet, but have never got below 20% bodyfat. All I can say is don't start TRT until your at least 17%. But that's just my opinion.
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Congrats to you for getting your weight down and getting control of your life. In my opinion you’d be an outlier. Since you were obese and estrogen dominant I can see how your estrogen went through the roof. Did you not take an AI when you started TRT or did you start taking one once your E2 got so high? Just curious if your dr didn’t recommend one in the first place and what his reasons would be. I totally understand not wanting to be on an AI. I’ve been on a low dose of arimidex for most of my time on trt. I was able to drop it by doing 3 weekly subq injections instead of 2 IM injections. I also take Inhibit-E by SNS and it’s working for me. My BF% stays around 14-15%.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Congrats to you for getting your weight down and getting control of your life. In my opinion you’d be an outlier. Since you were obese and estrogen dominant I can see how your estrogen went through the roof. Did you not take an AI when you started TRT or did you start taking one once your E2 got so high? Just curious if your dr didn’t recommend one in the first place and what his reasons would be. I totally understand not wanting to be on an AI. I’ve been on a low dose of arimidex for most of my time on trt. I was able to drop it by doing 3 weekly subq injections instead of 2 IM injections. I also take Inhibit-E by SNS and it’s working for me. My BF% stays around 14-15%.
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I took 2 x .5 adex a week and started 100mg test. In three months, my estrogen went from 180 to 230. After learning that more test amortizes to estrogen when your bodyfat is higher, I stopped TRT and the AI all together, got my bodyfat down a few more points - which brought my estrogen down to 130. I restarted TRT injecting 3 times a week (instead of 1 recommended by the dr) and have not needed an AI and I can keep my estrogen below 100 now which is a constant fight it seems (been that way all my life). My test went from about 350 to about 750 with 100mg. Just the basics I learned on this forum from folks like you.
 
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I took 2 x .5 adex a week and started 100mg test. In three months, my estrogen went from 180 to 230. After learning that more test amortizes to estrogen when your bodyfat is higher, I stopped TRT and the AI all together, got my bodyfat down a few more points - which brought my estrogen down to 130. I restarted TRT injecting 3 times a week (instead of 1 recommended by the dr) and have not needed an AI and I can keep my estrogen below 100 now which is a constant fight it seems (been that way all my life). My test went from about 350 to about 750 with 100mg. Just the basics I learned on this forum from folks like you.
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Wow that’s insane your E2 was that high man. I couldn’t imagine the all around issues that was causing you. Have you tried taking anything natural for lowering your E2? I was taking .25 mgs of arimidex twice a week. In April of this year I switched from IM injections twice a week to subq three times a week. In May I started taking Inhibit-E and tapered the arimidex until I was totally off of it. @sns8778 recommended I do that and it worked well for me. I went from my BP running in the 130’s/90’s to 120’s/80’s, raised my HDL to the low 40’s from the low 30’s and am keeping my E2 in check. My labs in November showed my E2 was 29 and my total T was in the 600’s high on the ref range is 900 on my labcorp labs. Steve can explain to you more in depth what Inhibit-E does and it’s all natural. I showed the label to my TRT dr who works at an integrative medical practice and she was impressed with it. If you’re looking for something to take that’s natural you should consider Inhibit-E. I wanted to get off arimidex since I was sure I was raising my BP and keeping my HDL low and I confirmed that.
 
Thanks for all the feedback, I have my follow up appointment tomorrow to go over my results. Regardless of my results I will focus on my natural hormones and weight for 6 or so months. If that doesn’t help then I will retest and go from there.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Thanks for all the feedback, I have my follow up appointment tomorrow to go over my results. Regardless of my results I will focus on my natural hormones and weight for 6 or so months. If that doesn’t help then I will retest and go from there.
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I think you have the right idea trying to do everything that you can to focus on your natural hormone levels first.

If you have any questions or if I can help in any way about the results, you're welcome to pm me.
 
I know I said I have my appointment tomorrow but received my blood tests before hand, curious to see what you see. There is a lot of smarter people on this topic. Is you need anything else feel free to ask. I’ve had anxiety issues and increase in some mental health issues which I’ve never had before. My glucose was slightly above what is considered healthy which we have already covered but here it goes.
Total T:371
Free: 3.7
Estradiol: 15
 
rpeterson33 said:
I know I said I have my appointment tomorrow but received my blood tests before hand, curious to see what you see. There is a lot of smarter people on this topic. Is you need anything else feel free to ask. I’ve had anxiety issues and increase in some mental health issues which I’ve never had before. My glucose was slightly above what is considered healthy which we have already covered but here it goes.
Total T:371
Free: 3.7
Estradiol: 15
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One important thing to keep in mind is that for all of these numbers, there is a normal range and that range can be fairly large.

Do you have any prior bloodwork from years past to know what your baselines were like?

For example, you could have been at 371 for years and that could be your normal; whereas if you were at a normal of 600, then 371 would be low in your case and could be contributing to some of the issues you're mentioning.

In general:
- Your testosterone level is in the normal range; it's on the lower end, but not super low as its 107 point higher than low.
- Your free testosterone is low - which I think you can raise pretty well with supplements (I have)
- Your estradiol is in the normal range and in my opinion is at a great level in that its not low but on the lower side, so if it goes up slightly as your testosterone goes up, that's okay bc there's no risk of it going too high.


You mention that you like M-Test. How long have you been on it?

Did they test your DHEA level by any chance?

I have an endocrinology condition where my hormone levels don't trail each other properly and my free testosterone was always a big issue. M-Test was the best thing I've ever used for my free testosterone levels and the stack of M-Test and Optimize-T has been great for me both in terms of how I feel and in bloodwork.
 
Excluding TRT and the subsequent criteria that needs to be managed while on TRT (aromatase, hematocrit, etc.), you're overall optimization would benefit by keeping a strong nitrogenic tone and dopaminergic tone. For nitric oxide some Citrulline Malate combined with a PDE-5 inhibitor will work. Best PDE-5's imo is Cialis and Horny Goat Weed.

Horny Goat Weed can be just as good as the pharmacological options. The trick is just getting something with a high icariin content (20-50%). For dopamine a cAMP facilitator or MAO-B inhibitor would be best. Forskolin or Oat Straw would work. Oat Straw actually does both, by inhibiting MAO-B and PDE-4 (pro cAMP). Selegiline is a good pharma alternative.

The point of a strong nitrogenic and dopaminergic tone will compliment TRT's pro-libido effects, provided your estrogen is under control. Plus inhibiting the breakdown of stuff like cAMP and cGMP has systemic health benefits, including a increase in fat mobilization. When you get your bloods make sure your Vitamin D levels are good too.

One other thing, a significant portion of testosterone's health benefits are related to it's interactions through K channels. Especially it's BP modulating effects. Which means you need to be getting LOTS of potassium in your diet. It's not uncommon for people to be undershooting potassium. Even the RDA is like 4g daily.
 
Leary942 said:
Excluding TRT and the subsequent criteria that needs to be managed while on TRT (aromatase, hematocrit, etc.), you're overall optimization would benefit by keeping a strong nitrogenic tone and dopaminergic tone. For nitric oxide some Citrulline Malate combined with a PDE-5 inhibitor will work. Best PDE-5's imo is Cialis and Horny Goat Weed.

Horny Goat Weed can be just as good as the pharmacological options. The trick is just getting something with a high icariin content (20-50%). For dopamine a cAMP facilitator or MAO-B inhibitor would be best. Forskolin or Oat Straw would work. Oat Straw actually does both, by inhibiting MAO-B and PDE-4 (pro cAMP). Selegiline is a good pharma alternative.

The point of a strong nitrogenic and dopaminergic tone will compliment TRT's pro-libido effects, provided your estrogen is under control. Plus inhibiting the breakdown of stuff like cAMP and cGMP has systemic health benefits, including a increase in fat mobilization. When you get your bloods make sure your Vitamin D levels are good too.

One other thing, a significant portion of testosterone's health benefits are related to it's interactions through K channels. Especially it's BP modulating effects. Which means you need to be getting LOTS of potassium in your diet. It's not uncommon for people to be undershooting potassium. Even the RDA is like 4g daily.
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Very detailed post, but I wanted to ask and make sure you didn't accidentally post it in the wrong thread?

The reason I'm asking is that the poster in this thread isn't on TRT and has stated several times in the thread that he does not want to go on TRT and is looking for ways to help increase his testosterone levels without TRT.

And also a lot of the things you're breaking down and explaining aren't things that he's asking about.

I don't mean that in a bad way - I've myself been looking at multiple threads before and accidentally spent a lot of time writing a detailed reply and accidentally posting it in the wrong one without realizing it.
 
sns8778 said:
Very detailed post, but I wanted to ask and make sure you didn't accidentally post it in the wrong thread?

The reason I'm asking is that the poster in this thread isn't on TRT and has stated several times in the thread that he does not want to go on TRT and is looking for ways to help increase his testosterone levels without TRT.

And also a lot of the things you're breaking down and explaining aren't things that he's asking about.

I don't mean that in a bad way - I've myself been looking at multiple threads before and accidentally spent a lot of time writing a detailed reply and accidentally posting it in the wrong one without realizing it.
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Yeah sorry about that. I posted on the right thread but I thought OP said he was about to 'jump on TRT' but was concerned about his current composition. I sort of got lost when everyone started talking about heavy people taking T. It seemed like to me he was asking what else he could do to optimize besides diet. Which I think would still hold true irrespective of the TRT. cAMP-cGMP facilitators will increase thermogenesis and will aid caloric deficit.
 
Leary942 said:
Yeah sorry about that. I posted on the right thread but I thought OP said he was about to 'jump on TRT' but was concerned about his current composition. I sort of got lost when everyone started talking about heavy people taking T. It seemed like to me he was asking what else he could do to optimize besides diet. Which I think would still hold true irrespective of the TRT. cAMP-cGMP facilitators will increase thermogenesis and will aid caloric deficit.
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No problem at all. This thread did get confusing - which is one of the reasons the Admin has asked people over and over to keep HRT discussion out of supplement threads.

I agree that cAMP facilitators are good products - we offer Forslean 95% ourselves in our Forskolin XT product.

I didn't want my post to you to come off wrong at all bc I appreciate the detail you put into your answer.

I've spent so much time myself on here over the years emphasizing the importance of Horny Goat Weed being standardized for Icariin and not Icariins. We use a 20% Icariin in CEL PCT Assist, which is in the process of getting an upgrade but will still have the 20% Icariin in it plus some other cool updates.
 
Holy crap I just realized you're the SNS guy aren't you? Sorry I'm new to the forum. I actually use your Citrulline Malate. Yeah you make killer stuff, probably some of the best oral supplements I've used. Your Inhibit-E and Reduce XT is no joke, very good stuff. I personally noticed a serious boost in energy with DAA plus Inhibit-E. I didn't have bloods done unfortunately, but I'd venture to guess it would be a very good way to naturally boost T along with clean diet. I haven't tried your Optimize-T yet, but I bet it's good!
 
Leary942 said:
Holy crap I just realized you're the SNS guy aren't you? Sorry I'm new to the forum. I actually use your Citrulline Malate. Yeah you make killer stuff, probably some of the best oral supplements I've used. Your Inhibit-E and Reduce XT is no joke, very good stuff. I personally noticed a serious boost in energy with DAA plus Inhibit-E. I didn't have bloods done unfortunately, but I'd venture to guess it would be a very good way to naturally boost T along with clean diet. I haven't tried your Optimize-T yet, but I bet it's good!
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Yes, I am. Nice to meet you.

Nothing to be sorry about at all - I thought you did a good job articulating yourself with the post. That was why I wanted to make sure it was in the thread, because I could tell you put some good effort into it.

Thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate that and I'm very glad that you like our products.

I love Inhibit-E and Reduce XT too, both are great products. And quality DAA like ours is great for libido support.

Optimize-T is a great product. I have an endocrinology condition and I unfortunately have to get bloodwork every 6 to 8 weeks, and Optimize-T has helped a lot with my levels. In my case I do use it with M-Test, because M-Test helps my free testosterone a lot and my doctor has me stay on it year round bc we had been trying for years to get my free test levels up. But I'd used M-Test long enough to have a baseline, both in the way I felt on it and in my bloodwork and adding Optimize-T helped both in terms of bloodwork and the way I feel.

It seems like you may really enjoy the science side, and if so, I think you'd really enjoy the Optimize-T write up if you haven't had the chance to look at it yet. It's very comprehensive and contains multiple clinically researched branded ingredients.

Here's a link to the write up - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/optimize-t-120-veg-caps/

Every year, I put up a Tell Us What You Want From Us, which doubles as a chat thread for people that like the ingredient science. I'll probably be putting up this years tomorrow; you're welcome to joint the convo or follow along if you enjoy that type of thing. And if you ever have any questions or if I can help in any way, you're welcome to pm me.
 
sns8778 said:
adding Optimize-T helped both in terms of bloodwork and the way I feel.
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I would agree with this from my personal experience with Optimize-T as well.
 
Saw my doctor today to go over my labs
DHEA-307
FSH 7.4
LH 3.8
Test total 371
Estradiol 15
Sex hormone binding globulin 23

Doc talked about enchlomiphene but I’m not ready to get on board 100 percent. I think there is some life style changes I can make first then retest the blood in 8-12 weeks.
 
sns8778 said:
Yes, I am. Nice to meet you.

Nothing to be sorry about at all - I thought you did a good job articulating yourself with the post. That was why I wanted to make sure it was in the thread, because I could tell you put some good effort into it.

Thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate that and I'm very glad that you like our products.

I love Inhibit-E and Reduce XT too, both are great products. And quality DAA like ours is great for libido support.

Optimize-T is a great product. I have an endocrinology condition and I unfortunately have to get bloodwork every 6 to 8 weeks, and Optimize-T has helped a lot with my levels. In my case I do use it with M-Test, because M-Test helps my free testosterone a lot and my doctor has me stay on it year round bc we had been trying for years to get my free test levels up. But I'd used M-Test long enough to have a baseline, both in the way I felt on it and in my bloodwork and adding Optimize-T helped both in terms of bloodwork and the way I feel.

It seems like you may really enjoy the science side, and if so, I think you'd really enjoy the Optimize-T write up if you haven't had the chance to look at it yet. It's very comprehensive and contains multiple clinically researched branded ingredients.

Here's a link to the write up - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/optimize-t-120-veg-caps/

Every year, I put up a Tell Us What You Want From Us, which doubles as a chat thread for people that like the ingredient science. I'll probably be putting up this years tomorrow; you're welcome to joint the convo or follow along if you enjoy that type of thing. And if you ever have any questions or if I can help in any way, you're welcome to pm me.
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Thanks, I'll read up on your Optimize T! You're right, the science part of it is very important to me. I generally don't take anything without scouring PudMed and Google Scholar for relevant information about said ingredients. I keep an evernote filled with all the studies pertaining to different things like botanicals, vitamins, minerals, drugs, hormones, etc.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Before I jump on TRT I want to do everything in my power to optimize my health which I know starts with dropping my pounds.
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rpeterson33 said:
Not jumping on trt regardless until I drop 20 pounds.
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rpeterson33 said:
Doc talked about enchlomiphene but I’m not ready to get on board 100 percent. I think there is some life style changes I can make first then retest the blood in 8-12 weeks.
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Good for you man. most people these days look for an instant pharma solution, I think you are on the right track here.
 
Here’s my plan for the next 12 weeks
Focus on Whole Foods, no drinking, no garbage
Optimize T
M-Test
Cistanche XT
Inhibit E
Vitamin D/K2
ZMA
Preworkout/creatine

Continue to workout 4-5 times a week, focus on getting 8 hours of sleep and then retest my level come end of March.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Here’s my plan for the next 12 weeks
Focus on Whole Foods, no drinking, no garbage
Optimize T
M-Test
Cistanche XT
Inhibit E
Vitamin D/K2
ZMA
Preworkout/creatine

Continue to workout 4-5 times a week, focus on getting 8 hours of sleep and then retest my level come end of March.
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I think that's a very solid plan.

I think you'll definitely like the way the stack helps you feel, and I look forward to seeing how much your test levels increase on it.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Here’s my plan for the next 12 weeks
Focus on Whole Foods, no drinking, no garbage
Optimize T
M-Test
Cistanche XT
Inhibit E
Vitamin D/K2
ZMA
Preworkout/creatine

Continue to workout 4-5 times a week, focus on getting 8 hours of sleep and then retest my level come end of March.
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Nice set up! Optimize-T plus M-Test will definitely be a solid natty test boost set up.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Recieved my idf 1 LC/MS test results this morning-value of 139. Is there anything you can do to increase this?
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You mean IGF1, correct?

My first thought would be Growth Factor XT, which stacks extremely well with Optimize-T.

Here's the feedback thread on it:

Growth Factor XT - Advanced Natural Growth Hormone Optimizer & More - AnabolicMinds.com

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Just a little update, not sure anyone cares but I’m on a journey and I have no one else to share it with. I don’t know if it’s my mindset or supplements are making me feel good or what but I’m feeling more confident. I’ve changed up my workout, cut actually lifting heavy down to three days, 4th day is sled/kettle bell work. Focusing on some zone 2 cardio, cut out eating out 90 percent of the time. Just overall great feeling right now!
 
rpeterson33 said:
Just a little update, not sure anyone cares but I’m on a journey and I have no one else to share it with. I don’t know if it’s my mindset or supplements are making me feel good or what but I’m feeling more confident. I’ve changed up my workout, cut actually lifting heavy down to three days, 4th day is sled/kettle bell work. Focusing on some zone 2 cardio, cut out eating out 90 percent of the time. Just overall great feeling right now!
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I'm always interested in updates.

I'm glad to hear that you're feeling better and more confident - the mental side of things has a huge influence over the physical results that we get.

That's something I like about certain supplements myself like Anabolic XT, Recomp20, and Pepti-Plex is that they provide great results, but they help me with mental aspects which is something I struggle greatly with as someone who has battled anxiety and depression my whole life, and especially since the accident I was in in 2022.
 
I think I might be dropping my estrogen too low, I’m going to drop inhibit e down to one pill a day. My estrogen levels were decently low to begin with and im having some side effects of low estrogen now (low libido) which wasn’t an issue even with low t
 
rpeterson33 said:
I think I might be dropping my estrogen too low, I’m going to drop inhibit e down to one pill a day. My estrogen levels were decently low to begin with and im having some side effects of low estrogen now (low libido) which wasn’t an issue even with low t
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Inhibit-E normally won't drop estrogen levels too low, but as you said, yours were low to begin with.

But libido in general can come from a lot of things and its normal for it to fluctuate. Stress is the biggest impactor on mine.
 
Just another possibility: I know you're eating clean and trying to lose weight which is great, but if it's a crash diet or super low fat or anything you can lose libido as well. Make sure you're eating close to maintenance at least for now so that doesn't throw off numbers and don't neglect healthy fats.
 
Weekly update, gained some weight which I believe is mostly water weight, I added Creatine back into the supplements last week plus a heavy sodium and fluid weekend with some high school buddies I haven’t seen in five years. I’m going to start some sprints today, I hate long distance running but I think some sprints a couple times a week will benefit me. Feeling stronger every day.
 
rpeterson33 said:
Weekly update, gained some weight which I believe is mostly water weight, I added Creatine back into the supplements last week plus a heavy sodium and fluid weekend with some high school buddies I haven’t seen in five years. I’m going to start some sprints today, I hate long distance running but I think some sprints a couple times a week will benefit me. Feeling stronger every day.
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I won't use regular creatine monohydrate because it makes me hold too much fluid weight.

I use our Creatine HCI because it provides the benefits without the bloating, fluid retention, or stomach issues that monohydrate causes for me.
 
It's awesome that you're taking steps to optimize your health. Dropping pounds is a great goal, and diet plays a crucial role. If you're into supplements, considering a quality omega-3 for overall well-being could be beneficial. Also, can't wait to see your blood results – they'll provide more insights. Oh, by the way, if you're exploring health topics, this link has some info on podiatry services in medical billing: Invalid Link Removed.
 
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