THC would be a safer alternative to opioids too in the pain department.
First, I hope she's doing better.
It's being looked at, but it certainly isn't without significant risks itself. I hear that and automatically think of using methadone to get off of heroin and the legions of methadone addicts that occurred as a result.
That’s a good way of looking it.
I've used Kratom a few times. To me withdrawals are not that bad. Tolerance to kratom can come quick. I can see how Kratom would be a better alternative to get off opioids. The issue is, an opiod user would be disappointed with Kraton if they want to retain feeling high while detoxing, which is sad.
Kinda missing the whole point of the detox thing lol. They shouldnt feel high when taking (therapeutic doses and routes) of buprenorphine or methadone either. Mitigating withdrawal symptoms without the patient being high so they can resume "normal" daily life is the entire point.
I respect the decisions ER Docs make, as I worked alongside them in trauma, a few years before Joe’s podcast launched. My issue isn’t with them, although they are obligated to treat pain, I’m highly aware there are literally thousands of scenarios where they cannot treat it with opiates.
The fact that you think something is safe because it grows out of the ground and that kratom and thc can "be used to easily get off any opiate" screams how horribly misinformed you are. If you want kratom and thc to actually be used, then support researchers who are looking into it rather than the online hype of people who want to sneak it in illegally and will move onto the next big hype after this goes south because those are the "evil, corrupt, and greed driven" people taking advantage of people that think using google is "research."
thank you, she is recovering well. those are valid questions you pose, I have a knee jerk reaction when it comes to kids in pain...it very well could be one of the circumstances you listed. although when the parents insisted on giving their child something for pain they did so.
Good to hear! And yes, that's hard to watch, especially when it's someone you know or even your own kids. Doctors and nurses can come off as cold because they have a job to do beyond the emotional part and that means thinking of everything that could be injured, including internal injuries. And then some hospitals are just slow as hell to get anything done because they're short-staffed or lazy.
man, one of the hardest things to see is a child in pain-I couldn't do that job it would tear me up!!!
I interviewed a guy once that used to be a medical examiner. He said they took turns weekly on who did the child autopsies. If it was your turn, you did a half day and drank the second half.
i 100% can believe that!!!
Wasn't that in the movie excepted lol. Something along those lines
I dunno, I dont watch much TV. Maybe they were on to something though.
Guess that makes kratom pushers the escorts. They're still whores, but they call themselves escorts so they can pretend to be different.
It will prevent buildup tolerance to specific strains but not from daily long term use. You will still become dependent if using multiple times a day for a prolonged period of time.
Exactly. But can be a difficult concept for an addict unfortunately.
I've got to agree, even without withdrawal symptoms it is difficult since it is the high that is addicting.
It's not the high that is addicting. Sorry to jump on your word choice, but this is more of a global comment since it's a fairly common misconception. If somebody gets high simply because they like the high, that's not addiction. Addiction is a very specific thing in medical terms and involves an actual change in the person's brain and it's more about not feeling bad than it is about getting high, especially in cases where the high doesn't even happen anymore. You can even be physically dependent on a drug and go through withdrawal, but not be addicted.
very interesting.
Thats just how we do man. It took a while but it finally clicked in my head that I'll always be an addict. Every day I wake up and have to make a conscious DECISION to be a recovering addict instead of an actively using one. I'm not particularly proud of my past use (hooked at in incredibly young age) but once I reached a point where my perspective outgrew my ignorance, I started with my daily decision that I could be proud of.
yes...be proud!!!
given this information how would you explain the low recovery percentage, if this is true it seems recovery rates should be much higher?
This is why I am so for regulation of kratom, which is being looked at in Castle Rock, CO and other progressive cities now. Kratom has enormous upside and health benefits from the alkaloids, but it needs to be better studied and there needs to be oversight. There are few natural substances with the benefits that kratom offers.
People start using again for a lot of reasons. If you get forced to stop doing cocaine and strippers, but you like doing it, you might start doing it again because you like it. Your body might just feel better on cocaine so you start doing it again. Some of it is environmental, meaning you go into rehab and then start hanging back with the same group of friends or even just the same surroundings and chances are you're using again...the same has been replicated in rats with environmental cues/triggers. People go back on for the same reason they started typically, it feels good and helps you escape the crappy job, family, etc for a bit.
that sounds like a really fine line...if you are not having issues using cocaine why would you stop?
I'm over-simplifying it as there is an underlying difference in what happens biologically and which brain structures are affected in addiction versus what happens in dependence. If you have the disposable income for it and don't mind the many other harmful health issues that come with cocaine use, maybe there isn't another reason to stop lol. Although, if you start using it more than just once in a while, chances are it's going to escalate quickly.
how about dependence is 1st stage of addiction, kind of like a benign tumor that could become malignant?
Depends on the drug, but sure, sort of.
after thinking about this I remembered something they said at the VA drug and alcohol rehab-many years ago.... some people are genetically more apt to become addicts/alcoholics than others...you ever saw research involving genetics and addiction?
Again, sorry for the late response, but work blew up. The whole nature vs nurture or genetics vs environment is a huge target for addiction research. There have been human studies down in twins and siblings, but also countless in mice and rats where they manipulate genetics and look for a behavioral effect.
Just because somebody really likes doing or having something doesn't make it addiction. If I enjoy working out or have pride in my work and that results in a lot of money, why is that a bad thing?
Didn't say it was necessarily a bad thing. I just don't believe that addiction is an "illness" or a disease that can be medicated. I know it is just the state of men in general. I admit my condition lol. Everyone is addicted to something.
a lot to digest there....I think what the old school of thought back then was that some people had genetics that were more prone to addiction than others...the theory was that some were addicts/alcoholics after 1st use due to genetics...I think they called it the addictive gene-I am going from memory from many years ago so this might be inaccurate.
You can believe whatever you want, but you're scientifically and medically incorrect. You're calling things addiction that are not addiction.
Oh for sure, there are people who are genetically predisposed to becoming addicts. The same way that somebody can be genetically predisposed to a disease and then an external trigger causes it. The general idea is still unchanged, but how it happens at a cellular and molecular level has become clearer.
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