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Opinions on SARMS, Xgels and Vector

Jsgym

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Based upon my last post I had a few mentions of SARMS, Xgels and vector. I have done plenty of research but would like some users opinions and even better would like some users who have used these products in the past to let me know how they found them. The only thing I don't know much about is vector, so some info on that type of supplement would be great.
 
SARMS
Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators require a PCT and a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator)

X-gels
Arachidronic Acid is an essential fatty acid, and I'll let the SNS people expand further as I've never used it.

VECTOR
is Black Lion Researches' latest development in a natural anabolic supplement. It's very new.

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- http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/299585-vector-pre-release.html
- http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/301417-vector-transformation-contest.html

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Contains 3 plant extracts each of which has dozens of components that give you the most powerful tool ever developed to help you get in the best shape of your life.

Long writeup for each ingredient
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Vector is, at present, the strongest natural anabolic around.
Each of the 3 plant extracts have many active chemicals giving Vector dozens of actives. Like nothing else available.
Check out the 3 ingredients-
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Tons of positive reviews here
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/299585-vector-pre-release-100.html#post5992187

Vector works great solo but it also stacks well
Im running
VEctor
Follidrone
Viron


its insane.
 
I ran Xgels last year, after a cycle, 1 bottle during PCT and 1 bottle for about another 4 weeks. I do think it's a very good supplement that help me keep most of my gains and sustained my strength gains, but my shoulders started to hurt so I didn't finish the second bottle.
I've been taking Vector with Follidrone 2.0 for 5 weeks and it has been an awesome stack. I get awesome pumps, increased appetite, great intensity and focus during workouts, put on 7 lbs the first 4 1/2 weeks, and my waist has stayed the same. Now I've been eating a lot more during those 5 weeks, but Vector and Follidrone have definitely helped my body utilize the extra nutrition.
I've done Test, Tbol, Halodrol, and other aas, and really don't ever compare anything natural with those cycles, but so far to me this Vector with Follidrone stack is starting to look like the best natural stack I've done, and at 53 I've taken a lot of supplements.
 
As far as sarms go, the only thing I would take is lgd. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks like to be the safest sarm. Ostarine is to toxic to the liver and all other sarms have lots of sides and are not researched at all...
 
Hey, Can i stack vector with x gels? And what would be the best dosage? Ara and vector dose saperated or i can take them same time of day? Thx
 
appollo86 said:
Hey, Can i stack vector with x gels? And what would be the best dosage? Ara and vector dose saperated or i can take them same time of day? Thx
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Yes....dose 3 Vector and 4-6 caps ARA pre workout. Up your water intake and be prepared for increased hunger. Up the calories and keep it fairly clean and you will get gains. I like to simply throw in an extra meal.
 
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
 
Davy25 said:
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
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What was wrong with vector and follidrone then.
 
Davy25 said:
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
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Your a moron lmao...
 
Davy25 said:
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
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The first version of follidrone was crap for me and i had HIGH expectations for it, the second bottle did wonders for me and i had low expectations for it. They work, they're not SARMs or gear but they work, how much probably depends on genetics more than anything.
 
Xgels hands down best solo ingrident .. sarm cant compare as i never got into em.
 
Davy25 said:
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
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not "complete"

lol
 
My experience with the Vector/Follidrone/Viron (V/F/V) stack over 8 weeks was to bust through a very stubborn 8 month strength plateau on the hammer grip DB bench press (65lb to 70lb, 3 x 8). I couldn’t get 70lbs up even one rep before V/F/V.

I didn’t change anything else from the prior six months. Nutrition was the same. Same pre-workout. Same set and rep metrics. Same number of days per week in the gym. Same sleep habits.

And I was skeptical, but desperate to progress. So I gave the stack a try.

For me, finally busting through the strength plateau was worth the investment.

Interestingly, I didn’t see any noticeable muscle size increases, just strength.

So my thoughts are that I’d run the V/F/V stack again if stuck on a strength plateau.

In short, “complete garbage” is inconsistent with my experience.

And of course, your mileage may vary.

Stay safe. Stay strong!
 
bigsmall said:
Yes....dose 3 Vector and 4-6 caps ARA pre workout. Up your water intake and be prepared for increased hunger. Up the calories and keep it fairly clean and you will get gains. I like to simply throw in an extra meal.
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Also, can i run vector year round?
 
Jinsun said:
I did not, and yes, it will. It's just that osta is IMO a lot more toxic to the liver. It elevated my enzimes 7x above upper limit. 25mg ed.
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The Market for SARMS is in a grey area and is not regulated by the FDA. Therefore, many companies selling SARMS lace their products with pro hormones. Ostarine is only supposed to cause a mild increase in Alanine transaminase levels, which means whatever company you bought your SARMS from could have been fake or laced with said pro hormones.
 
Davy25 said:
Vector and follidrone are complete garbage. If you fell for natty test boosters like tribulus and DMAA then you prolly will fall for this stuff. I might get flamed on this forum seeing as there are a lot of black lion reps but let me save you some money and say invest it in creatine, protein, multi, fish oil, food, sarms, and real gear. Those are the only things that will make you grow. ArA is an exception, that stuff does work but for me the sides are too much.
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Test booster like DMAA?
 
appollo86 said:
Also, can i run vector year round?
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Yes. Lots of folks on here including me have been running it since day 1. I am stacking with Folidrone (almost 3 years with a sort epi1louge run). I am currently also using top muscle by evomuse which is topical ARA and much more. It makes oral ARA obsolete imo.
 
bigsmall said:
Yes. Lots of folks on here including me have been running it since day 1. I am stacking with Folidrone (almost 3 years with a sort epi1louge run). I am currently also using top muscle by evomuse which is topical ARA and much more. It makes oral ARA obsolete imo.
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Thx man...also can folidrone cause anxiety? I tried anabeta elite before, i was anxious as sh1t
 
appollo86 said:
Thx man...also can folidrone cause anxiety? I tried anabeta elite before, i was anxious as sh1t
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I would say the opposite, and those two have nothing in common with one another.
A better sense of well being if anything.
 
bigsmall said:
Yes. Lots of folks on here including me have been running it since day 1. I am stacking with Folidrone (almost 3 years with a sort epi1louge run). I am currently also using top muscle by evomuse which is topical ARA and much more. It makes oral ARA obsolete imo.
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Where can i buy top muscle? Cant find it anywhere online
 
Jsgym said:
Based upon my last post I had a few mentions of SARMS, Xgels and vector. I have done plenty of research but would like some users opinions and even better would like some users who have used these products in the past to let me know how they found them. The only thing I don't know much about is vector, so some info on that type of supplement would be great.
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Sarms are in a VERY different category than xgels/vector... you're talking hormonal vs non/natural.

IMO I have personally not enjoyed any of the sarms I've used as the sides have not been anywhere near as low as originally thought and the benefits from them have been little to none (osta in particular did nothing but give me problems)

for me, xgels is the way to go as its 100% non hormonal, proven (clinically studied) to truly build muscle strength and size, and is liekly cheaper than sarms (and by a mile once you factor in support and pct).

If im going hormonal, im going at least ph/ds for the cost:benefit.
 
bigsmall said:
Yes. Lots of folks on here including me have been running it since day 1. I am stacking with Folidrone (almost 3 years with a sort epi1louge run). I am currently also using top muscle by evomuse which is topical ARA and much more. It makes oral ARA obsolete imo.
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So follidrone can run year round too?
 
I think SARMS are worth it if you stack them correctly. A stack of 20mg LGD-4033, 20mg RAD-140 and 10mg YK11 appears to be a pretty mean stack that rivals some designer steroids.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I think SARMS are worth it if you stack them correctly. A stack of 20mg LGD-4033, 20mg RAD-140 and 10mg YK11 appears to be a pretty mean stack that rivals some designer steroids.
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I'm actually looking at a bottle of basically this exact stack, except it's also got Ostarine in it as well. One capsule is those doses you listed. Dude at the counter was claiming he gained 15 lbs on it. It's 90 bucks for 60caps.


I also happen to think if you're going to use SARMS without pinning test or other AAS then it's best to stack them together, or stack them with oral AAS, or both. Yk11 seems like a necessity, stacking LGD and Ostarine or rad by themselves doesn't do much.
 
jameschoi said:
x-factor advanced 100 caps at 825mg 40% ara for 12 bucks, is that a good deal?
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I prefer the original but that’s a great deal you won’t get the full dosage of a gram in a serving or anything close too but still very cheap

Xfactor or Xgels imo is the only way to go for ara
 
Old Witch said:
I'm actually looking at a bottle of basically this exact stack, except it's also got Ostarine in it as well. One capsule is those doses you listed. Dude at the counter was claiming he gained 15 lbs on it. It's 90 bucks for 60caps.
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That actually sounds like a good deal if the caps are dosed properly.
 
RickyBlobby said:
That actually sounds like a really good deal if the caps are dosed properly.
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Doubt it and would be much cheaper to create your own dosages imo ( osta + ara )

Lgd + ara would be more hardcore
 
jameschoi said:
Found some axis labs HemodrauliX with ARA, anybody use this, worth it? Expires 4/19
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Never did well .. every1 cheaps out on ara when in prop blend

Prolly less then a gram serving and wasn’t it only like 14 serving?
 
jameschoi said:
one bottle is 19 bucks, the low price gave it away.
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Double dose it lol

6 ingredient to make up 3G total .. even 19$ is too high but worth anexpirement with 6-8 caps on pre workout days
 
RickyBlobby said:
That actually sounds like a good deal if the caps are dosed properly.
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I have a feeling they're what they say on the bottle. I'm getting effects from their LGD, day three. No results yet, obviously. Just initial effects I am starting to notice for sure. It's 12mg per cap, I'm taking two a day for 24mg.

Looks like 20mg each of rad140, LGD, and Ostarine, with yk11 10mg, per cap in this other product called "Bulk". Like I said the guy at the store was like,"if you're looking at those andros, fxck that ****, try this. I gained 15lbs on a bottle of that. It's 90bucks though"
 
Preemptive answer: what initial effects? Appetite increase, steady strength increase, endurance increase, better recovery.

Also noting immune system effect, Just got sick today and had to miss work. Upper respiratory tract infection. Haven't been sick in months and months. Could be a coincidence.
 
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