Olympus Labs New Massacr3 (Kaempferia)

Resolve10

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Was intrigued by the new ingredient (Kaempferia), haven't ever used it before, but have used the old Massacr3 (Laxo) and quite a bit of Ep1logue, so have some pretty good experience with UroB and Vaso6.

Life has been pretty crazy in the past year. I haven't fallen off the training wagon, but the gaining wagon grinded to a stop. Don't want to get into the personals for now, but it led me to my lowest bodyweight I've been in what has to be 10 years or so. I am getting close to personal bests for strength again and my body fat is pretty much non-existent (I haven't been even trying to lose), but I am tiny.

Before too much of a dear diary here are the basics:

Background:

Vitals:
-Height: 5’8”
-Current Weight: ~163lbs
-Current Bodyfat: I'll try to post a starting picture, I have to be below 10.

Training:
-Currently 5 days per week. M-F, weekends off.

-Brief overview->
M- AM: Snatch, Squat, Circuit PM: Run/Row/Bike
Tu- Gymnastics, Upper, Circuit
W- LISS
Th- AM: Jerks, Clean, Accessory PM: Row or Endurance Test
F- Snatch, Deadlift, Circuit

I am currently biasing towards my upper body endurance and overall conditioning work, the strength stuff is technique and maintenance. I won't go into details of training, as frankly it is pretty detailed and beyond the scope of this log.

I do typically walk 2-3 miles in the AM as well, but outside of that my daily unstructured activity is considerably lower than last year at this time.

Diet:
-Mentioned above weight is at an all time low. Not by choice or goal, it just kept dropping and I was too lazy to eat a ton to offset it. Calories were lower due to lower activity, but I've been going back up the last 4-6 weeks.
-Currently I am not as strict as I have been in the past. By that I mean I try to eat a certain amount (listed below), but if I feel like more I usually am eating extra or just having some treats to get calories up even more.
-Protein: 180-190g, Carbs: 425-450g, Fat: 110-120g

Supplements:
-Everything here has been in use at least 4 weeks prior to adding Massacr3.
-Health: Life Extension Two per day Multi (1 AM, 1 PM), 2-3g EPA + DHA, Berberine (400mg x AM), SNS Stress and Anxiety (2 caps in AM), 100mg Robuvit AM (dropped down from 300mg for this log), and Morphogen Adaptogen (1 Scoop AM)
-Performance: 1-2 scoop(s) Morphogen Hexagen during training + 1 scoop Moprhogen Synthegen + 1 scoop Morphogen Beta Alanine Complex, 1 scoop Core Pump + 1g ALCAR + .5-1g Tyrosine pre
-Stimulants: Usually coffee in the morning then 1 scoop of SNS Energized Aminos at some point later. Various energy drinks in place of Energized Aminos on some days just depending on mood.
-Was using Anabolic Effect for the last 2 months. I'll take a month off to test this and then I'll add it in (if I enjoy and want another bottle of Massacr3) next month again.
-Olympus Labs Massacr3 will be added as 2 caps pre-workout on days I train once, 1 cap pre both AM and PM on days I train twice, and 1 cap AM and 1 cap PM during weekends.

Goals:
Hoping to gain even just a little bit of weight over the next couple months. I'll be looking for improvements in performance, recovery, and anything else similar.
 
Resolve10 said:
Thanks to everyone following so far.



I get plenty of stimulus for muscle growth with my training. I didn’t go into the specifics of sets/reps etc but I’m also running similar to last years log that I had some good success with Anabolic Effect on anyways (my training years tend to be similar at the same months just “evolved” as each year has more data).

Being completely honest I am biased a bit towards improving some performance at the moment, but Kampferia has some interesting literature on that too so we’ll see what this brings.
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Very cool!
 
Vaso 6 with uro b is pretty strong. I remember the first time I tried ep1logue. All of those combined with epi equated to the most intense pumps, muscle hardness and vadcularity I’ve experienced. I wonder if the Kaem is having a nutrient partitioning effect on you
 
i was trying hard to not like OL since they went lyfestyle, but i admit i am curious about this new massacr3 and a few others...so count me in

btw, i really liked the og ep1logue.
 
I don’t want to take away from this log, but it’s worth differentiating between Labs and Lyfestyle. I know they put a lot of their teams focus on Lyfestyle of late, but Labs has slowly been putting out good products.

Anyways @Resolve10, how long is your run going to be for? Wasn’t sure if you had more than one bottle
 
Resolve10 said:
Week 1 Update:

Weight: 164.4 (up .6lbs from 163.8lbs)

Effects:
-Hunger: This is definitely up. Being honest being this light my food cravings are probably naturally higher, but this was up from previous weeks easily.
-Pumps: Easily noticed an increase in vascularity and pumps right away. Hasn't been detrimental to my performance in any fashion so far.
-Libido: I didn't think this was from this, but it has been a little crazy this weekend. I don't have issues, but it was a bit annoying how high it is right now.

Possible Negatives:
-I noted some nausea and out of it feeling after the first couple doses of 2 caps at once. Didn't notice towards end of the week, but I'll note if it comes up again.
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good update. Surprised that the libido is up , but it’s nothing to complain about

Oddly enough, I always get slight nausea on ep1logue and some appetite reduction. I’ve always associated it with the NO boost
 
Resolve10 said:
Don’t feel this does it justice but ten minutes into today’s session and veins were just sticking out like crazy. Not flexing at all here.Invalid Link Removed
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That is impressive vascularity from a natural product, without flexing.
 
I got the same using apex alchemy lithos, I have started to use and over the counter AI and libido came back
 
worst part is that dosing probably not enough to cause growth that is kept post recovery. it appears that uro B doesn't cause substantial gains but also suppresses the individual. Then during "off time" one may lose gains where individual may be worse off than they first started. Lets say that if dosing uro B in 1-2g results in sustantial prosteroid like gainz where the use may be justified. 1.5 years ago i did 8 week cycle of epilogue and massacr3 where my libido was unchanged for the most part. but can tell a definite decrease in bed performance. I then ran Massacr3 and evomuse BMP as a stack last october. Thats where everything went right down hill. After 2 week i developed horrible brain fog, much worse libido and anxiety. dropped both supplements, but sides continued for 1-2 weeks where i figured that I was suppressed or even close to shutdown. Immediately tried some herbal stuff (muscletech Alphatest) which helped after about 1.5-2 weeks. Currently I am feeling great so i wont be risking it again. I ordered Swanson Black ginger
 
ValiantThor08 said:
That's interesting. Suppression from UB
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This IS interesting. I don’t know much about Uro B but I did run Massacr3 during my Ostarine PCT with a SERM and I still haven’t recovered (3 months later). Shown by blood tests. Of course I assume it was the SARM that suppressed me but possibly the Uro B didn’t help? About to run some Clomid to try to get my levels up.
 
Fly_boy said:
This IS interesting. I don’t know much about Uro B but I did run Massacr3 during my Ostarine PCT with a SERM and I still haven’t recovered (3 months later). Shown by blood tests. Of course I assume it was the SARM that suppressed me but possibly the Uro B didn’t help? About to run some Clomid to try to get my levels up.
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Do you feel lethargic in the gym. How do you feel when you wakeup.
 
jameschoi said:
Do you feel lethargic in the gym. How do you feel when you wakeup.
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Not any more than usual. I’ve been training for 20+ years, IMO lethargy in the gym is more reflective of nutrition, hydration, and sleep. I have plenty of reasons to feel lethargy other than low T...36 yo, young kids, stressful job where I’m on call 24/7.
 
Fly_boy said:
Not any more than usual. I’ve been training for 20+ years, IMO lethargy in the gym is more reflective of nutrition, hydration, and sleep. I have plenty of reasons to feel lethargy other than low T...36 yo, young kids, stressful job where I’m on call 24/7.
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Fly_boy said:
This IS interesting. I don’t know much about Uro B but I did run Massacr3 during my Ostarine PCT with a SERM and I still haven’t recovered (3 months later). Shown by blood tests. Of course I assume it was the SARM that suppressed me but possibly the Uro B didn’t help? About to run some Clomid to try to get my levels up.
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I have used muscletech Alphatest with some success at that time. i have used it because it was readily available at walmart. I currently would recommend that you try m-test. I had immediate improvement of libido and testicular fullness within a week. Ashwaghanda definitely helps with anxiety, fadogia appears to be very potent and comparable to HCG.

I ran alphamax for about 7 week which was great for body recomposition but not much in libido department. M-test definitely a great test booster. I have also used rhodiola which is a great adaptogenic. I would recommend m-test over all of that currently.

Also dont forget the basics of adequate sleep (7+ hours), saturated fat and cholesterol intake (eggs). zinc/magnesium/vitD.

some other foods that I have incorporated are canned oysters (high zinc), sardines (selenium), liver, Lifeway brand kefir (Lac Rhamnosus - shown to increase testicular size), bee pollen, ginseng tea pre bed, pomegranate and beet juice.
 
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barische said:
I have used muscletech Alphatest with some success at that time. i have used it because it was readily available at walmart. I currently would recommend that you try m-test. I had immediate improvement of libido and testicular fullness within a week. Ashwaghanda definitely helps with anxiety, fadogia appears to be very potent and comparable to HCG.

I ran alphamax for about 7 week which was great for body recomposition but not much in libido department. M-test definitely a great test booster. I have also used rhodiola which is a great adaptogenic. I would recommend m-test over all of that currently.

Also dont forget the basics of adequate sleep (7+ hours), saturated fat and cholesterol intake (eggs). zinc/magnesium/vitD.

some other foods that I have incorporated are canned oysters (high zinc), sardines (selenium), liver, Lifeway brand kefir (Lac Rhamnosus - shown to increase testicular size), bee pollen, ginseng tea pre bed, pomegranate and beet juice.
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i was very excited when SNS released m-test, i've been a huge fan of fadogia for many years---as a side note m-rest paired with sustain alpha gave me incredible boost in libido-that is currently my favorite natty combo.
 
alot of the same issues happend to me as well after taking that junk from OL have any of you tested you thyroid or anything to see if it maybe messed that up as well
 
TheIronAsylum said:
there we also multiple studies on uro b in rats showing testicle dysfunction after using so its interesting
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Show me one paragraph from any study talking about testicular dysfunction in rats from UrB...Lmao I will wait.

TheIronAsylum said:
alot of the same issues happend to me as well after taking that junk from OL have any of you tested you thyroid or anything to see if it maybe messed that up as well
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No offense, i remember meeting you in at the 2016 Olympia, I think you should consider your lifestyle choices as a whole, not supplements causing your health issues. Attack me or OL all you want but obesity is probably your real enemy.

@OP thanks for logging this, apologies I haven't followed along to date. I tend not to jump on AM to often these days...for obvious reasons.

Will be following this though, hopefully you enjoy the product.
 
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barische said:
worst part is that dosing probably not enough to cause growth that is kept post recovery. it appears that uro B doesn't cause substantial gains but also suppresses the individual. Then during "off time" one may lose gains where individual may be worse off than they first started. Lets say that if dosing uro B in 1-2g results in sustantial prosteroid like gainz where the use may be justified. 1.5 years ago i did 8 week cycle of epilogue and massacr3 where my libido was unchanged for the most part. but can tell a definite decrease in bed performance. I then ran Massacr3 and evomuse BMP as a stack last october. Thats where everything went right down hill. After 2 week i developed horrible brain fog, much worse libido and anxiety. dropped both supplements, but sides continued for 1-2 weeks where i figured that I was suppressed or even close to shutdown. Immediately tried some herbal stuff (muscletech Alphatest) which helped after about 1.5-2 weeks. Currently I am feeling great so i wont be risking it again. I ordered Swanson Black ginger
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BMP has a compound Paeoniforin, which is an anti-androgen. In your specific situation it may have been the contributing factor? Have you done blood work controlled for UroB usage? I have prior to it being released and it did not have any material impact on my HPTA.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Show me one paragraph from any study talking about testicular dysfunction in rats from UrB...Lmao I will wait.



No offense, i remember meeting you in at the 2016 Olympia, I think you should consider your lifestyle choices as a whole, not supplements causing your health issues. Attack me or OL all you want but obesity is probably your real enemy.

@OP thanks for logging this, apologies I haven't followed along to date. I tend not to jump on AM to often these days...for obvious reasons.

Will be following this though, hopefully you enjoy the product.
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nice try dipshit but iv never been to the olympia but sad you need to attack made up stuff little twink
 
NoAddedHmones said:
BMP has a compound Paeoniforin, which is an anti-androgen. In your specific situation it may have been the contributing factor? Have you done blood work controlled for UroB usage? I have prior to it being released and it did not have any material impact on my HPTA.
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no bloodwork, I remember reading that ingredient in BMP yes. I believe the combo was enough to suppress me. The sides and what i felt was pretty obvious
 
Resolve10 said:
Noticed a bit more acne yesterday. I definitely think a very minor increase.

I demolished my cardio circuit yesterday and held a 145bpm HR. I'd been at 151-152 for a little lower pace the previous weeks. Feeling pretty solid right now.

Putting in an order for a second bottle by the end of the week. I'll extend this through November.
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Adding AE back in as well?
 
Resolve10 said:
Noticed a bit more acne yesterday. I definitely think a very minor increase.

I demolished my cardio circuit yesterday and held a 145bpm HR. I'd been at 151-152 for a little lower pace the previous weeks. Feeling pretty solid right now.

Putting in an order for a second bottle by the end of the week. I'll extend this through November.
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making me really want to try this new massacr3. I may possibly run it alongside with M-test??
 
With kcals increasing, are they primarily coming from carbs or a bump across the whole macro spectrum? IIRC, you consume relatively (well, relative to me, at least haha) high carbs year-round
 
Abs are popping and biceps are full for sure!
 
You’re putting Massacr3 on my radar of things to try (never believed in laxo, so that always effected it too).

How would you compare your experience to EP1LOGUE / kaemp vs epicatechin ?
 
Resolve10 said:
That is a good question I thought about a decent bit last night. Not sure I am ready for a definitive answer, I will say this seems like a definite upgrade to the Laxo/OG version of the product. I tend to find these kinds of things need time to work so I may wait to see how this second bottle goes before a definite answer, but so far I think I like it about as much as Ep1logue.
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will you be refraining from stacking with AE so that you can monitor how the 2nd bottle goes?
 
Resolve10 said:
So I thought about this a bit (I saw your post the other day but didn't know the answer).

I don't feel any sense of need to avoid anything specifically since I am not running a sponsored log and don't think there is any particular need for me to be obsessive in evaluating things.

That said I've also been enjoying this run and think I may hold off and start the AE up after November. The bottles I have sitting here will be tempting, but it is nice to not have to spend more money again and use them after.
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I think this is a win win. Like you said gives us another review, unsponsored, of the product being used “solo” and you get to use another product afterward without dropping more money. It might just be me, but it sucks to read a natty stack of $100+ running multiple products. Even if it does “work” to cough up that amount of dough seems tough.
 
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