OL Ostar1ne Log/Notes (includes PCT)

[Grayson]

All your symptoms you describing are indicative of suppression which suggests the product is adequately dosed. Maybe consider the fact that you ran it for extended periods at 30mg which is well above the max anecdote dose of 25mg. You also put your body on a rollercoaster by increasing carbs and lowering carbs soo much so quickly. To be honest your findings are very contradictory to what you are saying...

I only started feeling symptoms of suppression around the end of last week. I went into PCT because the risk/reward ratio did not favor continuing the cycle.
The carbs/cyclical dieting has nothing to do with this. I've done this type of diet/eating schedule before and I know how my body responds to it. The shakeup that I had around week 3 where my bowel movements were off was because my diet wasn't modulated properly and I am not attributing that to Ostarine.
Plus the 25mg is exactly that: anecdotal dose. There aren't any studies done past 3mg (that I could find at least -if you have them, please post them).

Lastly, my suspicion is just that: suspicion.
I also squeezed the last cap that I had in the bottle and it just didn't feel full.
So if anything, my feeling like crap is indicative of underdosing because I wasn't supplying a steady amount of the compound over time essentially rollercoastering my hormones.
If it is underdosed, hypothetically I could've been giving my body anywhere from 5-30mg a day.

I had a blood test done after my ostarine and pct, my testesteron level was better than before ostarine cycle. I ran clomid for 4 weeks in pct and bloodwork done 4 weeks after pct. I believe ostarine suppressive but one can quickly recover with a right pct.

How long was your ostarine cycle/dosage?

 

[Faktalay]

It was a RC ostarine and I did 15 mg ED for 6 weeks

 

[Olympus Labs]

Hey bro, your post got lost in the pile.

People were initially running this as high as S4 when it came out a few years ago and found the sweet spot to be 25mg.

I went to 30mg 1) as an experiment and 2) because I've been under the suspicion that OL's products are underdosed. And I already had this bottle left over from the summer, so I thought "eff it."

Lastly, ostarine has actually made ArA much better. There's a good increase in strength and no joint problems while lifting. Although, my knee problems are back and it only rears its head when I'm on ArA.

I can assure all of you that none of our products are 'underdosed'. Seeing things from the manufacturing side of things would allow you all to see that all capsules are ran through either a automatic or semiautomatic machine. The most loss there can ever be in product is 10%, that's a GMP guideline as well, it's a very disheartening thing to see you spread such words without any actual insight. Dma378, you are right about the filler thing, the majority of powder you'll see is filler, 15-20mg is very little compared to what a capsule can hold.

Secondly, what does the fact that PA tests a powder do with the manufacturing process a capsule goes through? The two processes are not interrelated at all. All of OL's powders are tested before produced (and we are the only company who provides the actual test results, not just some hey we get our stuff tested by this person tagline) and the highest of quality control standards are practiced in the manufacturing process. OL is one of the only companies aside from Antaeus and Iron Legion who has direct control over sourcing, if you read otherwise don't believe it. The majority of powders other companies source either come from one of us, we have nothing but respect for AL, it's just sometimes the other companies they source for feel as if they need to resort to unprofessional / immature tactics, but in the end we are able to offer a better value because we are able to source products for the best value on the market.

No real 'factory' in China speaks English, when we buy powder from our 'suppliers' we do it in Chinese, this gives us a DIRECT advantage which allows us to yield the best value for resale of products. Of course the company with the lowest production cost will be able to offer the best value to the end consumer, there is no mystery in that.

Your also using the way your body reacts to the compound as a ways to rationalize your unfounded reasoning? I am very disappointed to read whats going on in this thread, and find out that people actually believe the slander/defamatory remarks that other company's try to throw on us, I guess resorting to unprofessional tactics does work.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I only started feeling symptoms of suppression around the end of last week. I went into PCT because the risk/reward ratio did not favor continuing the cycle. The carbs/cyclical dieting has nothing to do with this. I've done this type of diet/eating schedule before and I know how my body responds to it. The shakeup that I had around week 3 where my bowel movements were off was because my diet wasn't modulated properly and I am not attributing that to Ostarine. Plus the 25mg is exactly that: anecdotal dose. There aren't any studies done past 3mg (that I could find at least -if you have them, please post them). Lastly, my suspicion is just that: suspicion. I also squeezed the last cap that I had in the bottle and it just didn't feel full. So if anything, my feeling like crap is indicative of underdosing because I wasn't supplying a steady amount of the compound over time essentially rollercoastering my hormones. If it is underdosed, hypothetically I could've been giving my body anywhere from 5-30mg a day. How long was your ostarine cycle/dosage?

Come on dude, just about all of these products are based on anecdote. By that rationale why not dose superdrol at 100mg per day. You think side effects will be greater than the recommended anaecdote dosage?

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Didn't know anyone was having trouble with olympus labs osta, I keep on seeing more guys pop up saying their dmz isn't giving them the expected results. Always could send me any products you guys don't seem to be liking to test on my rats and private lab

 

[kissdadookie]

Didn't know anyone was having trouble with olympus labs osta, I keep on seeing more guys pop up saying their dmz isn't giving them the expected results. Always could send me any products you guys don't seem to be liking to test on my rats and private lab

From anecdotal things I've read, the OL stuff mostly works but apparently for users that have ran the same compound but from other brands, the OL version supposedly needs to be dosed a little higher to get comparable results. Not too crazily so but noticeable is what I've noticed being the experiences some have been having.

 

[Olympus Labs]

From anecdotal things I've read, the OL stuff mostly works but apparently for users that have ran the same compound but from other brands, the OL version supposedly needs to be dosed a little higher to get comparable results. Not too crazily so but noticeable is what I've noticed being the experiences some have been having.

This is also untrue. Everything that's been said has been in the context of people using what other people have said about the compound, not from first hand use, which if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me by posting something otherwise. Engineer, you opened a 5mg capsule that didn't feel full, do you know how little 5mg is in the first place? There is no way you can measure that with the human eye.

 

[Dma378]

I can assure all of you that none of our products are 'underdosed'. Seeing things from the manufacturing side of things would allow you all to see that all capsules are ran through either a automatic or semiautomatic machine. The most loss there can ever be in product is 10%, that's a GMP guideline as well, it's a very disheartening thing to see you spread such words without any actual insight. Dma378, you are right about the filler thing, the majority of powder you'll see is filler, 15-20mg is very little compared to what a capsule can hold.

Secondly, what does the fact that PA tests a powder do with the manufacturing process a capsule goes through? The two processes are not interrelated at all. All of OL's powders are tested before produced (and we are the only company who provides the actual test results, not just some hey we get our stuff tested by this person tagline) and the highest of quality control standards are practiced in the manufacturing process. OL is one of the only companies aside from Antaeus and Iron Legion who has direct control over sourcing, if you read otherwise don't believe it. The majority of powders other companies source either come from one of us, we have nothing but respect for AL, it's just sometimes the other companies they source for feel as if they need to resort to unprofessional / immature tactics, but in the end we are able to offer a better value because we are able to source products for the best value on the market.

No real 'factory' in China speaks English, when we buy powder from our 'suppliers' we do it in Chinese, this gives us a DIRECT advantage which allows us to yield the best value for resale of products. Of course the company with the lowest production cost will be able to offer the best value to the end consumer, there is no mystery in that.

Your also using the way your body reacts to the compound as a ways to rationalize your unfounded reasoning? I am very disappointed to read whats going on in this thread, and find out that people actually believe the slander/defamatory remarks that other company's try to throw on us, I guess resorting to unprofessional tactics does work.

You guys are, and have been, very forward with results, feedback, support, etc. And all of my OL cycles have been a success also due to me doing my part to maximize my cycle. I realize it is a difficult industry to maintain consistency and repeatability when it comes to dealing with small parts by the hundreds of thousands. And as the demand for more and more volume increases, it only becomes harder. I will simply be doing a little personal trial to compare products, effects, sides, results, etc.

 

[Abe Lincoln]

I've seen more guys than just the ones you have seen come and say something about the dmz. Some even private messaged me about it, some even have used other sources for dmz and that is how they were comparing.

 

[Olympus Labs]

I've seen more guys than just the ones you have seen come and say something about the dmz. Some even private messaged me about it, some even have used other sources for dmz and that is how they were comparing.

We posted labs on our DMZ, feel free to read them, the 'placebro' in these forums is mad strong! It only takes one apple to turn the rest of the apple bag rotten. However, people without an agenda reps4jesus mw1 and many MORE reputable posters have ran our dmz to great avail. One person gained 30lbs off our dmz and was still complaining, such is the world, you will always have unsatisfied users no matter how legit the product is. Not to mention DMZ is like the EASIEST compound for our source to make. Let me again state, no company underdoses, manufacturing is an automated process which doesn't leave any room for error, this is why we use machines, for precision, accuracy, and efficiency.

 

[kissdadookie]

This is also untrue. Everything that's been said has been in the context of people using what other people have said about the compound, not from first hand use, which if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me by posting something otherwise. Engineer, you opened a 5mg capsule that didn't feel full, do you know how little 5mg is in the first place? There is no way you can measure that with the human eye.

I honestly don't see how me sharing information about what I've read anecdotally can be wrong. I'm not saying that what the anecdotes are 110% factual but they do exist and it's not that difficult to find since it appears your stuff has generally been compared with Celtic.

 

[Olympus Labs]

I honestly don't see how me sharing information about what I've read anecdotally can be wrong. I'm not saying that what the anecdotes are 110% factual but they do exist and it's not that difficult to find since it appears your stuff has generally been compared with Celtic.

I'm just saying I read the same stuff you do, so if you've read more or otherwise then please do share it. As i've said the posters who usually complain have heard otherwise from a friend of a friend, not someone who has actually used brand a dmz or brand b dmz to compare. It may just be the latter, find it to be exactly the same so they don't end up complaining at all, all this is quite ridiculous, but I might as well clear the air.

I might as well add, the posters i tagged earlier, have all used DMZ before, what did they report? AMAZING things, it's usually the 'new' people, as i mentioned in my earlier point, who complain, but this is normal in every business.

 

[kissdadookie]

I'm just saying I read the same stuff you do, so if you've read more or otherwise then please do share it. As i've said the posters who usually complain have heard otherwise from a friend of a friend, not someone who has actually used brand a dmz or brand b dmz to compare. It may just be the latter, find it to be exactly the same so they don't end up complaining at all, all this is quite ridiculous, but I might as well clear the air.

I might as well add, the posters i tagged earlier, have all used DMZ before, what did they report? AMAZING things, it's usually the 'new' people, as i mentioned in my earlier point, who complain, but this is normal in every business.

Fair enough.

 

[Grayson]

I'm just saying I read the same stuff you do, so if you've read more or otherwise then please do share it. As i've said the posters who usually complain have heard otherwise from a friend of a friend, not someone who has actually used brand a dmz or brand b dmz to compare. It may just be the latter, find it to be exactly the same so they don't end up complaining at all, all this is quite ridiculous, but I might as well clear the air.

I might as well add, the posters i tagged earlier, have all used DMZ before, what did they report? AMAZING things, it's usually the 'new' people, as i mentioned in my earlier point, who complain, but this is normal in every business.

I'm responding to you as a user/consumer of your products and not a rep, so before you or any of the other reps think that I'm trying to slander your company -please, that is lightyears away from my intentions here. I also need to state that I have no affiliation with the other companies I listed that sell ostarine.

Second, I expect a different response from you. You might have been following this log but only one of your reps have shown up. Not like I care, but it should be noted that the first time you decide to appear in this log is to defend your product and practices. Instead of asking me (the consumer) if there's anything you (company in question) can do to make this experience better, you come in guns blazing, defending your product and practices and put the blame on the consumer. I'm not a business guy, but logically that does not make any sense to me. Instead of reviewing the log and asking me where I began to have a mediocre experience and offering suggestions or constructive criticism you intrude with a defensive and frankly despicable attitude.

I'm not going to call them out, but I've talked to some other members and there's a blatant trend: compared to others, your products are oftentimes not as effective as your competitors. You still offer a better value, but all I'm saying is that your dose per pill for this product seems to be off. And FYI, I didn't empty the cap. I have it home, in the bottle, in the trash. I'll take it out and weigh it on my powder scale. Do you have an idea of how much it should be plus whatever fillers you put in?

I wasn't going to call into question your other products, but there's an unsponsored tr1umph log going where the user isn't feeling anything. I've been following it and we're all confused.

Personally, I've run through two bottles of EP1C and nothing. I was expecting to see at least something along the lines of what people were experiencing with Follidrone, but I haven't and plenty of others have not as well.

Lastly, just because you have the approval of some of the top members doesn't mean squat about your products. That's just a business tactic and doesn't tell me anything about your product. For all I know, you guys can be pulling a bait and switch.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to you because I don't have to.

Enjoy the wall of text.

If you don't like this log, my results and my thoughts you can get out. It's that simple.

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Yeah I just heard from a few guys about this, so was thinking something had happened in shipping like temperature issues. I plan on picking up some olympus labs goodies sometime soon, especially the dmz.

 

[Olympus Labs]

I'm responding to you as a user/consumer of your products and not a rep, so before you or any of the other reps think that I'm trying to slander your company -please, that is lightyears away from my intentions here. I also need to state that I have no affiliation with the other companies I listed that sell ostarine.

Second, I expect a different response from you. You might have been following this log but only one of your reps have shown up. Not like I care, but it should be noted that the first time you decide to appear in this log is to defend your product and practices. Instead of asking me (the consumer) if there's anything you (company in question) can do to make this experience better, you come in guns blazing, defending your product and practices and put the blame on the consumer. I'm not a business guy, but logically that does not make any sense to me. Instead of reviewing the log and asking me where I began to have a mediocre experience and offering suggestions or constructive criticism you intrude with a defensive and frankly despicable attitude.

I'm not going to call them out, but I've talked to some other members and there's a blatant trend: compared to others, your products are oftentimes not as effective as your competitors. You still offer a better value, but all I'm saying is that your dose per pill for this product seems to be off. And FYI, I didn't empty the cap. I have it home, in the bottle, in the trash. I'll take it out and weigh it on my powder scale. Do you have an idea of how much it should be plus whatever fillers you put in?

I wasn't going to call into question your other products, but there's an unsponsored tr1umph log going where the user isn't feeling anything. I've been following it and we're all confused.

Personally, I've run through two bottles of EP1C and nothing. I was expecting to see at least something along the lines of what people were experiencing with Follidrone, but I haven't and plenty of others have not as well.

Lastly, just because you have the approval of some of the top members doesn't mean squat about your products. That's just a business tactic and doesn't tell me anything about your product. For all I know, you guys can be pulling a bait and switch.

I can't believe I'm actually responding to you because I don't have to.

Enjoy the wall of text.

If you don't like this log, my results and my thoughts you can get out. It's that simple.

I came in here for the very reason of answering one of your concerns.
A lot of people have offered very rational reasons as to why you aren't reacting the way you'd hope to with the product. Having the proper insight, I can answer your other concern - 'underdosing' and swiftly dismiss this concern as it's not a legitimate claim here. The room for error in manufacturing is very little, so much that even GMP guidelines allot for a 10% cushion, we comfortably meet this cushion by using semiautomatic machines for most products.
Now that I've answered this concern of yours perhaps we can find the answer your looking for and the reason you aren't reacting as you had hoped. I think NoAddedHmones had personally nailed the reason why.

You keep deferring to what other companies say, do, who they use to test, the drama they incur on us, but fall victim to the lies they viciously spread. We have always been a very responsive and open company, and have done our best to uptake that standard.

Personally, I've run through two bottles of EP1C and nothing. I was expecting to see at least something along the lines of what people were experiencing with Follidrone, but I haven't and plenty of others have not as well.

There are plenty of people who responded to ep1c and not to follidrone, people who responded to follidrone and not to ep1c, and even people who didn't respond to the ingredient at all. We plan to change this with the new version.

 

[Goliath1]

Yeah I just heard from a few guys about this, so was thinking something had happened in shipping like temperature issues. I plan on picking up some olympus labs goodies sometime soon, especially the dmz.

That's what I used...
Olympus labs DMZ is good to go... I felt like a Monster on it lol

The Derma Fury actually surprised me a bit, I thought I was gunna have to dose it high and I didn't need to at all, it was legit..

 

[kissdadookie]

I came in here for the very reason of answering one of your concerns.
A lot of people have offered very rational reasons as to why you aren't reacting the way you'd hope to with the product. Having the proper insight, I can answer your other concern - 'underdosing' and swiftly dismiss this concern as it's not a legitimate claim here. The room for error in manufacturing is very little, so much that even GMP guidelines allot for a 10% cushion, we comfortably meet this cushion by using semiautomatic machines for most products.
Now that I've answered this concern of yours perhaps we can find the answer your looking for and the reason you aren't reacting as you had hoped. I think NoAddedHmones had personally nailed the reason why.

You keep deferring to what other companies say, do, who they use to test, the drama they incur on us, but fall victim to the lies they viciously spread. We have always been a very responsive and open company, and have done our best to uptake that standard.



There are plenty of people who responded to ep1c and not to follidrone, people who responded to follidrone and not to ep1c, and even people who didn't respond to the ingredient at all. We plan to change this with the new version.

Inb4 transdermal!

 

[Grayson]

I came in here for the very reason of answering one of your concerns.
A lot of people have offered very rational reasons as to why you aren't reacting the way you'd hope to with the product. Having the proper insight, I can answer your other concern - 'underdosing' and swiftly dismiss this concern as it's not a legitimate claim here. The room for error in manufacturing is very little, so much that even GMP guidelines allot for a 10% cushion, we comfortably meet this cushion by using semiautomatic machines for most products.
Now that I've answered this concern of yours perhaps we can find the answer your looking for and the reason you aren't reacting as you had hoped. I think NoAddedHmones had personally nailed the reason why.

You keep deferring to what other companies say, do, who they use to test, the drama they incur on us, but fall victim to the lies they viciously spread. We have always been a very responsive and open company, and have done our best to uptake that standard.



There are plenty of people who responded to ep1c and not to follidrone, people who responded to follidrone and not to ep1c, and even people who didn't respond to the ingredient at all. We plan to change this with the new version.

Let's get this out of the way:
Don't peddle your products in my log re: td epic.
You're just digging yourself a bigger hole and really not bolstering your company's image.
And just as an aside regarding epicatechin, I find it deplorable that you go into brundel's thread about an SERM product that he's putting out and call him out on his epicatechin supply.

Now, on your bottle it states to take 3-6 caps. That's 15-30mg of ostarine. And that's how much I wrote down that I took (apparently and if you are correct about your dosage per capsule). Quit relying on other members to do your work.

I've spent well over $300 at nutriverse on your products between your formestane, epicatechin, and now ostarine. Your behavior in this thread has solidified my suspicion and the sheer fact that you won't even own up to showing up like a goon in this thread has brought me to the conclusion that I will not be supporting your products from here on out.

Expect a detailed review of this product on the product review page within the next few days.

Thank you

 

[xhrr]

Thank you, sir.

I'd just go Var if you have a solid source. Liver strain is basically the same and you get more out of Var.



Yeah... where is xhrr :firedevil:

I've been following his log as well and maybe we're not responding properly/under responding or it could be their products.

The real test would be to run ostarine from a different source, RC or supplement company, but I don't have the time for that. Plus I want to try other goodies

All I'm going to say is I would not use OL again. LGI/Celtic/Ironflex would be my go to companies for PH/DS based off of reputation and reviews. I just grabbed some Ironflex Epi and Halodrol for future cycles off Orbit with the veterans day code.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Although i have no dog in this fight, I still think it is unfair to blame OL's Ostarine for the various side effects you have got from this cycle. To be fair dosing any other brand of osta would cause this supression and if it didn't then I would be questioning the legitimacy of that product. It isn't fair going on a witch hunt with OL.

All he has done is come in to defend their products, as he should rightfully so.

 

[kissdadookie]

Although i have no dog in this fight, I still think it is unfair to blame OL's Ostarine for the various side effects you have got from this cycle. To be fair dosing any other brand of osta would cause this supression and if it didn't then I would be questioning the legitimacy of that product. It isn't fair going on a witch hunt with OL.

All he has done is come in to defend their products, as he should rightfully so.

Could have been handled classier IMO. If you have to constantly defend your products/brand that friggin hard and so regularly, it's inevitable to end up raising an eye brow to it.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Could have been handled classier IMO. If you have to constantly defend your products/brand that friggin hard and so regularly, it's inevitable to end up raising an eye brow to it.

This is true to an extent, although what kind of picture will it paint if a company doesn't passionately defend their products?

 

[kissdadookie]

This is true to an extent, although what kind of picture will it paint if a company doesn't passionately defend their products?

I know of very few supp companies which have had to defend themselves to such an extent tbh. Once in awhile they may have to defend themselves on the basis of one particular product of a certain ad-copy they may have out but never to the extent in which your entire line gets questioned as well as your company as a whole.

Now, I'm not being conspiratorial here, but don't you think there has to be a better way of fixing this public image issue that doesn't involve being so brash to your customers as well as always being in defense mode? This is not the first time I've noticed a customer essentially being blamed for something not working or working as well being put out by OL.

I mean, it was specifically mentioned by OL that there's a bunch of placebro going around but he said it in the context that unsatisfied customers and/or unsure potential customers are essentially banding together to trash them or what not for the sake of trashing them. So if you think about it, satisfied customers ='s good and unsatisfied ='s no good/bogus/dubious? It's kind of silly tbh.

 

[xhrr]

This is true to an extent, although what kind of picture will it paint if a company doesn't passionately defend their products?

The products they put out should not need defended if they deliver. You don't have to defend things that work. Obviously the supplement game is very individualistic and at the mercy of a multitude of variables but products that generally and consistently produce positive results need very little defending. Not directed at OL speaking in generalizations.

 

[kissdadookie]

Now, just to note. I'm not insinuating that their ostarine is questionable, I'm running ostarine right now with BSLs PCT IV and thus far, not really too hyped over it thus far. Perhaps this may change later on in the cycle but currently it is what it is.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I know of very few supp companies which have had to defend themselves to such an extent tbh. Once in awhile they may have to defend themselves on the basis of one particular product of a certain ad-copy they may have out but never to the extent in which your entire line gets questioned as well as your company as a whole.

Now, I'm not being conspiratorial here, but don't you think there has to be a better way of fixing this public image issue that doesn't involve being so brash to your customers as well as always being in defense mode? This is not the first time I've noticed a customer essentially being blamed for something not working or working as well being put out by OL.

I mean, it was specifically mentioned by OL that there's a bunch of placebro going around but he said it in the context that unsatisfied customers and/or unsure potential customers are essentially banding together to trash them or what not for the sake of trashing them. So if you think about it, satisfied customers ='s good and unsatisfied ='s no good/bogus/dubious? It's kind of silly tbh.

In my personal experiences with OL they have always put customers first, I had two leaked bottles of Dermastrength arrive, let them know via PM and they sent me two replacements without second question. Most people who have seen me round the forums over the years know I don't hold back with being brutally honest about products and calling out companies on bullshi+. And although I am only an individual making a personal observation but OL have always come across as legit to me.

 

[Spaniard]

There’s a few things happening here:

OL, being the company owner he is, is defending our products. This is a positive thing, it may have been misinterpreted when tensions are high but this is ultimately the intent of his posts. Granted you guys don’t see eye to eye on this one, which happens in life but that was the intent.

It seems like you took things a little personal thinking that he was being dismissive of your results. I sincerely doubt those were the intentions, in fact, I know OL man, he’s not trying to discredit your training or results. He is looking at it from a manufacturing point of view to try and provide additional factors that might be there, rather than thinking the product is underdosed, simply because of the strict guidelines we adhere to with manufacturing each product and testing each batch for purity. Long story short, in his mind, it seemed like a good idea to also look into other factors.

In regards to the SERM thread, I apologize you saw that as an attack but again, at OL we pride ourselves on producing the absolute best products we can and he was addressing the comments made on epicatechin products directly. There were direct comments made at the sourcing of competing epi products, which he felt needed to be addressed.

Here is the beautiful thing about being a consumer, you have every right to choose the companies you choose to represent and purchase from. It’s unfortunate and we wish that we hadn’t lost a consumer such as yourself, whom at one point considered OL to be one of the most trustworthy companies on the market. We also sincerely appreciate any and all business that you have given us! In the end we can’t win them all, although we certainly strive to do so but when it comes down to it, we wish you luck finishing up your PCT and good luck on your journey in fitness.

-V

 

[Admin]

Let's get this out of the way:
Don't peddle your products in my log re: td epic.
You're just digging yourself a bigger hole and really not bolstering your company's image.
And just as an aside regarding epicatechin, I find it deplorable that you go into brundel's thread about an SERM product that he's putting out and call him out on his epicatechin supply.

Now, on your bottle it states to take 3-6 caps. That's 15-30mg of ostarine. And that's how much I wrote down that I took (apparently and if you are correct about your dosage per capsule). Quit relying on other members to do your work.

I've spent well over $300 at nutriverse on your products between your formestane, epicatechin, and now ostarine. Your behavior in this thread has solidified my suspicion and the sheer fact that you won't even own up to showing up like a goon in this thread has brought me to the conclusion that I will not be supporting your products from here on out.

Expect a detailed review of this product on the product review page within the next few days.

Thank you

Stop the drama, now.

 

[Admin]

I know of very few supp companies which have had to defend themselves to such an extent tbh.

You haven't been around long and in all honesty, have no idea what you are talking about.