OL Ostar1ne Log/Notes (includes PCT)

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Dudes 99 cents a pound for quarter chicken legs. There bone in super tender just don't eat the skin. Now it's lean!
 
Day 34

30mg Ostarine - 9:00am

Light Legs:
Leg Press 3x6x690
Calf Press: 3x20x680
Lying Leg Curl: 4x6x160

The stane has really helped me over these last few hours.
Don't feel as bloated.
Still holding water, but not as much. Been pissing like a race horse.
I'm going to continue with the stane dosage till PCT. Then drop it, and then add it back in the beginning of week 3 of PCT.
So far, I have to conclude that because Ostarine is estrogenic (albeit mildly depending on dose + duration) that an AI should always be kept on hand. Come to think of it, the best protocol would be to start using the AI (preferably stane since it doesn't crush estro as much as the type II inhibitors yet is still more effective) around week 3 of an Ostarine cycle.
When I cycle LGD-4033, I'll be running stane the entire time.
 
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For reference so far.
Lower ab veins are gone as of a few days ago :( That's the price of bulking, though.
Weighed in this morning at 171.
 
Looking good brother. I'm going into week two on ostarine 24 mg ED. Meh, nothing much apart from some better carbs pump/vascularity.
 
The Engineer said:
Are you going to add an AI anytime soon? And are you using RC or caps?
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I'm using PCT IV for the ostarine. 2 caps split about 12 hours apart.

I have a big full bottle of letro just in case. Also have a bottle of nolva. Bottle and half of clomid as well. I'm well stocked.
 
Opinion time:

I have 2 days left at 30mg on this bottle.

I can crack open the next one (still OL), but then if I decide to cycle it again, I'll only have enough left for a 5 week cycle, thus continuing this vicious cycle of constantly buying bottles for a complete cycle.

I have three options:
1. Finish this bottle and go to the next one and finish at 30mg.
2. Finish this bottle and go to the next one and finish at 25mg -thus giving more for the next cycle.
3. Just kill the bottle and go into PCT and either save the next bottle for a full cycle or just sell it.
 
At cracking the next bottle open and dosing 25mg, how much of that bottle would you use? I had the same situation. Started my 6+ week run with 201 caps. Was enough for 4 weeks at 20, 2+ at 25.
Used the first portion of the bottle for a couple weeks at 10 in a prior PCT.
 
Swolbraham said:
Option 1
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That's one vote for Opt 1.

Dma378 said:
At cracking the next bottle open and dosing 25mg, how much of that bottle would you use? I had the same situation. Started my 6+ week run with 201 caps. Was enough for 4 weeks at 20, 2+ at 25.
Used the first portion of the bottle for a couple weeks at 10 in a prior PCT.
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Dma378 said:
That being said, I would also like to have a fresh bottle of 240 caps to make a solid run at 25 and 30.
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I'd only use a week's worth to finish it up the 6 full weeks. To each their own and the subject of using it in PCT is of great controversy, but it's not something I'd do.

I know it's been done successfully, but I'm just not fully sold on the concept.

With that said, I agree with you on having a full bottle for the next cycle. I'll see what else people say.
I don't know where I'm leaning with it because I have 2 more heavy days and would like to break a PR on the deadlift at least once this cycle.
 
You never know what will come up in the future so use what you want now. Option 1.
 
Day 35

30mg Ostarine - 9am
End of week 5.
We're pretty suppressed/shutdown at this point.
The boys aren't hanging as loosely as before.
Just feeling rundown as well. No motivation and I'm not getting sick. I have a pretty good immune system and only get sick at the onset of spring and fall. And I already got sick this past fall. And it's not Ebola. At least I don't think so.
Going to continue on this week, but I'm ready for PCT.
 
The Engineer said:
30mg Ostarine - 9am
End of week 5.
We're pretty suppressed/shutdown at this point.
The boys aren't hanging as loosely as before.
Just feeling rundown as well. No motivation and I'm not getting sick. I have a pretty good immune system and only get sick at the onset of spring and fall. And I already got sick this past fall. And it's not Ebola. At least I don't think so.
Going to continue on this week, but I'm ready for PCT.
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I hope it's not ebola
 
The Engineer said:
30mg Ostarine - 9am
End of week 5.
We're pretty suppressed/shutdown at this point.
The boys aren't hanging as loosely as before.
Just feeling rundown as well. No motivation and I'm not getting sick. I have a pretty good immune system and only get sick at the onset of spring and fall. And I already got sick this past fall. And it's not Ebola. At least I don't think so.
Going to continue on this week, but I'm ready for PCT.
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But but but that one rep says the chit wouldn't pose much of a suppression problem!!! :P
 
Sucks to hear about the suppression/shutdown man! After I get this baby situation handled with the wife I might try a longer run (8 weeks) at 20-25 mg and see if I start to experience any sides. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 30 mg is the highest that anyone has attempted to run Osta for an extended period?

Also, I saw you posted that the ArA/Osta stack was treating you well. From any research you've done, do you think Osta's anti-inflammatory properties would hinder the effects of ArA? Just curious

Finally, I am making a special trip to Walmart just to get some Cap'n Crunch Sprinkled Donuts cereal....for the gainz of course!
 
kissdadookie said:
But but but that one rep says the chit wouldn't pose much of a suppression problem!!! :P
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I'm with you 100% on that side of the argument.

Plus I think he was a little too immature by blocking you.

This stuff is highly suppressive, though. It won't shut anyone down if the cycle is kept under control, but I can't see a proper application for ostarine besides a low therapeutic dose for the elderly (I.E. What it was actually created for). Yes, while gaining I gained muscle and fat in a 2:1 ratio rather than the traditional 1:1, but is that a tradeoff for suppression? Not at all.

I'm going to cut the cycle short by a week.

I already took 30mg this morning, so I'll get my Deadlift PR tonight and start torem tomorrow.

Off topic, this is my first time using a serm and I've seen that people sometimes dose their serms at night due to estrogen being higher. Is there any merit to this?
 
The Engineer said:
I'm with you 100% on that side of the argument.

Plus I think he was a little too immature by blocking you.

This stuff is highly suppressive, though. It won't shut anyone down if the cycle is kept under control, but I can't see a proper application for ostarine besides a low therapeutic dose for the elderly (I.E. What it was actually created for). Yes, while gaining I gained muscle and fat in a 2:1 ratio rather than the traditional 1:1, but is that a tradeoff for suppression? Not at all.

I'm going to cut the cycle short by a week.

I already took 30mg this morning, so I'll get my Deadlift PR tonight and start torem tomorrow.

Off topic, this is my first time using a serm and I've seen that people sometimes dose their serms at night due to estrogen being higher. Is there any merit to this?
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Dose the serm based on half life. So typically you're looking at every 24 hours. AM or PM doesn't really matter IMO. Some you can dose EOD but likely not too effective dosing EOD for most cycles so it's a good idea to start with ED for the first few weeks and then taper off to lower doses EOD if you like.
 
kissdadookie said:
Dose the serm based on half life. So typically you're looking at every 24 hours. AM or PM doesn't really matter IMO. Some you can dose EOD but likely not too effective dosing EOD for most cycles so it's a good idea to start with ED for the first few weeks and then taper off to lower doses EOD if you like.
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Thanks kiss.

Ostarine is 23.8 and torem is 5-7 days.

I'm going to take one last dose of exemestane tonight and then take torem tomorrow morning.
 
BRUstrong said:
Sucks to hear about the suppression/shutdown man! After I get this baby situation handled with the wife I might try a longer run (8 weeks) at 20-25 mg and see if I start to experience any sides. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 30 mg is the highest that anyone has attempted to run Osta for an extended period?

Also, I saw you posted that the ArA/Osta stack was treating you well. From any research you've done, do you think Osta's anti-inflammatory properties would hinder the effects of ArA? Just curious

Finally, I am making a special trip to Walmart just to get some Cap'n Crunch Sprinkled Donuts cereal....for the gainz of course!
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Hey bro, your post got lost in the pile.

People were initially running this as high as S4 when it came out a few years ago and found the sweet spot to be 25mg.

I went to 30mg 1) as an experiment and 2) because I've been under the suspicion that OL's products are underdosed. And I already had this bottle left over from the summer, so I thought "eff it."

Lastly, ostarine has actually made ArA much better. There's a good increase in strength and no joint problems while lifting. Although, my knee problems are back and it only rears its head when I'm on ArA.
 
The Engineer said:
Hey bro, your post got lost in the pile.

People were initially running this as high as S4 when it came out a few years ago and found the sweet spot to be 25mg.

I went to 30mg 1) as an experiment and 2) because I've been under the suspicion that OL's products are underdosed. And I already had this bottle left over from the summer, so I thought "eff it."

Lastly, ostarine has actually made ArA much better. There's a good increase in strength and no joint problems while lifting. Although, my knee problems are back and it only rears its head when I'm on ArA.
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So what is your conclusion on #2 now?

I will be running a similar test. I am currently using OL's DMZ at 60mg. I have on hand a bottle of LGI DMZ-15 that I am going to start when this one is gone to see what their 60mg is in comparison. By feel alone, the LGI capsules are larger and much fuller with a supposed 5mg less. Now I know there are fillers and what not, but about 1 out of every 10 of OL's caps are almost completely empty. I squeeze each one. Now I believe the product inside is legit because my results are undeniable. But there seems to be little quality control when it comes to consistency. My Ep1c was the same way. About 10-20% of the caps were barely full, while most were packed.
 
Dma378 said:
So what is your conclusion on #2 now?

I will be running a similar test. I am currently using OL's DMZ at 60mg. I have on hand a bottle of LGI DMZ-15 that I am going to start when this one is gone to see what their 60mg is in comparison. By feel alone, the LGI capsules are larger and much fuller with a supposed 5mg less. Now I know there are fillers and what not, but about 1 out of every 10 of OL's caps are almost completely empty. I squeeze each one. Now I believe the product inside is legit because my results are undeniable. But there seems to be little quality control when it comes to consistency. My Ep1c was the same way. About 10-20% of the caps were barely full, while most were packed.
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Interested to hear your feedback as well. Given your experience on Osta, I might just hold off and pull the trigger on a tren/stano or trest (solo) run early next year. I was planning on using OL products, so I'm interested in your thoughts
 
Dma378 said:
So what is your conclusion on #2 now?

I will be running a similar test. I am currently using OL's DMZ at 60mg. I have on hand a bottle of LGI DMZ-15 that I am going to start when this one is gone to see what their 60mg is in comparison. By feel alone, the LGI capsules are larger and much fuller with a supposed 5mg less. Now I know there are fillers and what not, but about 1 out of every 10 of OL's caps are almost completely empty. I squeeze each one. Now I believe the product inside is legit because my results are undeniable. But there seems to be little quality control when it comes to consistency. My Ep1c was the same way. About 10-20% of the caps were barely full, while most were packed.
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My preliminary conclusion is that they are underdosed because there are some days that I've felt great during this cycle and days where I've felt like absolute shït. The caps at the top of the bottle seemed more potent than those towards the bottom.

It sounds weird, and I have no scientific backing to prove this, but this is just my anecdotal feedback.

I've run other supplements where the effects where the same throughout (anabeta, cistamax, hell even AP). And yes, the argument can be made that this is a hormonal product and thus they act differently. Individuals who run hdrol or epi have peaks and valleys in their cycles and I could have just been subject to that.

At the same time, I have hit multiple PRs in both volume and strength, but I don't know how much I can attribute to ostarine. My diet has included a lot of carbohydrates which allowed me to sustain such workouts,

The other thing I'll say is that libido was gone by the middle to end of week 3. Just gone. No desire whatsoever.

BRUstrong said:
Interested to hear your feedback as well. Given your experience on Osta, I might just hold off and pull the trigger on a tren/stano or trest (solo) run early next year. I was planning on using OL products, so I'm interested in your thoughts
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From my experience, and from what I've seen from other logs about their products, I'd go LGI, Celtic Labs or Vital Labs (strongsupplementshop).

I've seen stano/epi cycles that last 8 weeks in which stano is preloaded week 1 into 2 with the pre-load support supplements and then epi alongside stano from week 2-8. Gains are anywhere from 12-25lbs depending on diet.

Trest is also a good option, but again, I'd look into Celtic, and simply for the fact that celtic is verified by PA and that's something in this industry, especially with a new compound like trest.

Ultimately, what I've learned from OL and their ostarine is to never go cheap. If one is going to run a cycle, do it properly with products that have been verified or with ones that have a 90% track record.

I made that mistake with EP1C and haven't seen much from it and definitely have not experienced the type of results as those that have cycled follidrone.

koi1214 said:
x2 on this.
How you plan on dosing the torem? Maybe at 120/120/60/60?
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Thinking of 120/60/60/30 or 120/60/30/30. I'd have to get another bottle for the first dosing scheme. I'll see how I feel in two weeks. Na-DAA begins tonight, though.

I'm going to start dosing tomorrow morning and will have a preliminary review up in the next few days.

The log is not over because it includes PCT and I will have a preliminary review of OL Ostar1ne as well as how the gains have stuck through PCT.

The only thing that will change in PCT is a lowering of the carbs and protein. Since the androgen will be out of my system, there's no point in overloading on protein. With sufficient carbs + calories, the body only needs 0.82g/lb of body weight to synthesize new muscle. Thus my caloric expenditure will be reduced by about 1000 kcal. This will still put me at about 3400 calories -still nothing to sneeze at and still sufficient from muscle maintenance + growth.

Training style will stay the same as well.
 
Solid post. I'm thinking my first cycle if I decide to cycle will be stano at 800 and anavar at 60mg or halo at 75 or epi at 30-40. Would probably get LGI though
 
sorry to hear Olympus labs has not been good…other guy is running a TR1UMPH log, and same thoughts as you, maybe is under dosed..
 
My libido on Osta was exactly the same. First few weeks it seemed to elevate it, and then it disappeared. No interest at all. OL products have done me a lot of good and still are, but frankly I can't wait to get into this bottle of LGI DMZ.
 
Swolbraham said:
Solid post. I'm thinking my first cycle if I decide to cycle will be stano at 800 and anavar at 60mg or halo at 75 or epi at 30-40. Would probably get LGI though
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Thank you, sir.

I'd just go Var if you have a solid source. Liver strain is basically the same and you get more out of Var.

1kerry said:
sorry to hear Olympus labs has not been good…other guy is running a TR1UMPH log, and same thoughts as you, maybe is under dosed..
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Yeah... where is xhrr :firedevil:

I've been following his log as well and maybe we're not responding properly/under responding or it could be their products.

The real test would be to run ostarine from a different source, RC or supplement company, but I don't have the time for that. Plus I want to try other goodies :D
 
Dma378 said:
My libido on Osta was exactly the same. First few weeks it seemed to elevate it, and then it disappeared. No interest at all. OL products have done me a lot of good and still are, but frankly I can't wait to get into this bottle of LGI DMZ.
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Exactly what happened to me.

And then I've seen some testicular atrophy these past few days.
 
Day 36

Hit the PR today!
345 on the deadlift. It's only 10lbs heavier than what I did in August, and it wasn't quite 350 and I was tired as shït, but I'll take it.
Grunted the hell out of it and it was a little dirty towards the end, but whatever. All I can do is improve on it.

Also hit a volume PR: 105x5 on the incline db press. This felt fùcking awesome. Had a spotter for the initial lift.
Incline Flyes: 10x40, 12x40, 12x40, 10x50, 12x50
Chest was destroyed after this.
Finished with Front Lateral Raises (neutral grip) 3x8x30 with a double drop set that I could barely get through.

So ready for PCT tomorrow...
 
Nice work on the pr's! I'm really interested to see how pct treats you as almost all the other osta logs didn't do a "real" pct
 
Congrats on the PR and it was great to see all of your honest feedback on this run! I might not give up on osta just yet, but if I run it again I think I'll go with Celtic Labs Ostabol. Looking forward to seeing how PCT treats you
 
booneman77 said:
Nice work on the pr's! I'm really interested to see how pct treats you as almost all the other osta logs didn't do a "real" pct
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Hopefully I'll continue to gain. And if anything I'll bridge this supplement log into a workout log to continue it. I might do a month cycle of ModGRF (1-29) + Ipramorelin/GHRP-2/Hexarelin (with GHRP-2 taken most of the time; ipa at night; and hex 3-4 times a week, mostly post workout) + MGF + IGF-LR3.

The whole thing would cost be about 250-300 for the month or 6 weeks, but I'm curious. Also, AM hasn't has a good pep log in a while. There are some in the IGF-1 section, but they're not updated daily or even weekly.

It would be my first time pinning, so that'll be a treat lol

BRUstrong said:
Congrats on the PR and it was great to see all of your honest feedback on this run! I might not give up on osta just yet, but if I run it again I think I'll go with Celtic Labs Ostabol. Looking forward to seeing how PCT treats you
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Thanks brotha!
 
Day 37

Torem - 120mg - 9am
Na-DAA - 3.12g - 1am (last night)

FEEL UCKING GOOOOOOOOOD

I can't explain it, but I feel like I'm coming back.
Brain fog is gone.
Lethargy has almost completely vanished.
Motivation is up.
I'm sore as mother, and my body is shocked from the PR (love that feel) but I feel good and ready to conquer.
Lastly, the boys are getting that "full" feeling and libido is starting to come back.

I did 120mg this morning, but I need to look up if I need to split the dose. I know with clomid and nolva, the doses are sometimes split the first week due to the high dosage, but haven't seen much about that for torem. Then again, not many use torem and is still considered relatively new and therefore not many have used it for PCT.

Edit: nvm, torem doesn't need split dose.
 
The Engineer said:
Hopefully I'll continue to gain. And if anything I'll bridge this supplement log into a workout log to continue it. I might do a month cycle of ModGRF (1-29) + Ipramorelin/GHRP-2/Hexarelin (with GHRP-2 taken most of the time; ipa at night; and hex 3-4 times a week, mostly post workout) + MGF + IGF-LR3.

The whole thing would cost be about 250-300 for the month or 6 weeks, but I'm curious. Also, AM hasn't has a good pep log in a while. There are some in the IGF-1 section, but they're not updated daily or even weekly.It would be my first time pinning, so that'll be a treat lol
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I'm in for the.ModGRF (1-29) + Ipramorelin/GHRP-2/Hexarelin log.
 
koi1214 said:
I'm in for the.ModGRF (1-29) + Ipramorelin/GHRP-2/Hexarelin log.
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Dma378 said:
Me too. Would follow.
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Yeah?!?! :)

I might just spend my christmas bonus on that then.

No additional supplementation would be taken during that time to fully gauge the effectiveness of said peptides.

So far, what I've read from datbtrue is that the GHRP + GHRH stimulate IGF-1 upregulation on their own, but adding LR3 on off days away from training might be beneficial. And where a lot of guys go wrong with IGF-1 is sticking it sub-q or IM, but just in one spot. IGF hits the muscle, but after it's been accepted into the muscle, whatever is left over is left floating around. In order to fully utilize IGF-1, one is basically becoming a pincushion and pinning themselves as many as 20-50 times per muscle in very small doses.
Hex is too strong for the PG, so 3-4 times a week dose is sufficient with Ipa taken at night (might do a BOOM dose if funds allow) and the rest would be GHRP-2.
Lastly, MGF would be taken 4 hours post.
Since I'd want to recomp, I'd probably also incorporate Frag-176-191 for fasted cardio and maybe utilize in an IF or AOD fasting protocol.

It's a lot of pinning, but it maybe worth it and even though I'm only 25, I think now could be a good time to start my longevity journey :)
 
The Engineer said:
Torem - 120mg - 9am
Na-DAA - 3.12g - 1am (last night)

FEEL UCKING GOOOOOOOOOD

I can't explain it, but I feel like I'm coming back.
Brain fog is gone.
Lethargy has almost completely vanished.
Motivation is up.
I'm sore as mother, and my body is shocked from the PR (love that feel) but I feel good and ready to conquer.
Lastly, the boys are getting that "full" feeling and libido is starting to come back.

I did 120mg this morning, but I need to look up if I need to split the dose. I know with clomid and nolva, the doses are sometimes split the first week due to the high dosage, but haven't seen much about that for torem. Then again, not many use torem and is still considered relatively new and therefore not many have used it for PCT.

Edit: nvm, torem doesn't need split dose.
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Are you planning to get a blood test after pct?
 
All your symptoms you describing are indicative of suppression which suggests the product is adequately dosed. Maybe consider the fact that you ran it for extended periods at 30mg which is well above the max anecdote dose of 25mg. You also put your body on a rollercoaster by increasing carbs and lowering carbs soo much so quickly. To be honest your findings are very contradictory to what you are saying...
 
The Engineer said:
I'll probably wait 2-3 weeks after PCT, but yes I do plan to.
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I had a blood test done after my ostarine and pct, my testesteron level was better than before ostarine cycle. I ran clomid for 4 weeks in pct and bloodwork done 4 weeks after pct. I believe ostarine suppressive but one can quickly recover with a right pct.
 
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