no sh1t, fda doesn't have the balls to mess with wally world!!!Lol go walmart!
no sh1t, fda doesn't have the balls to mess with wally world!!!Lol go walmart!
Learn to read I said it was most likely counterfeit bottles with questionable handling practices involved.So the people that got sick are all faking it because of some conspiracy that the FDA is trying to control our supplements?. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
im thinking counterfeit bottles as well. from what everyone is sayng shipping to hawaii is really high so maybe they were made and sold there and ebay or amazon could be the reason they made it to some other places.Learn to read I said it was most likely counterfeit bottles with questionable handling practices involved.
Just finished some mesomorph. Twas glorious.I think Mesomorph is still around with DMAA. Pretty sure I saw some Muscle Marinade around some places as well
Other countries have been affected as well, NZ specifically addressed this already. Everyone needs to stop defending USP blindly. There is an investigation. It's not just Hawaii anymore, it's CONUS and foreign.im thinking counterfeit bottles as well. from what everyone is sayng shipping to hawaii is really high so maybe they were made and sold there and ebay or amazon could be the reason they made it to some other places.
it's not about defending usplabs, it's about not trusting the government.Other countries have been affected as well, NZ specifically addressed this already. Everyone needs to stop defending USP blindly. There is an investigation. It's not just Hawaii anymore, it's CONUS and foreign.
Exactly.it's not about defending usplabs, it's about not trusting the government.
I will be the first one to say I don't trust everything the fda/gov have to say. They have an agenda to control supplements same way they do pharma. It's more profitable that way.Exactly.
Dont blindly trust our gubment
^ this.I will be the first one to say I don't trust everything the fda/gov have to say. They have an agenda to control supplements same way they do pharma. It's more profitable that way. They also use pharses like "never let a good tragedy go to waste" ex 9/11, sandy hook, batman shooting. Always a lot of conicedences around those events. However, as someone who has used 3 bottles of versa 1, as well as a lot of enhanced, do I want to risk the fact that this could be another govt agenda? I look at my wife and 2 daughters and realize, no I do not want to take that risk. We put a lot of trust into these companies, but at the end of the day their number one concern is to make money. How do we know when a corner was cut in order to offer a sweet deal to consumers? After everything I have read the last few days, I'm tempted to just throw all my sh1t away, and never look back.
if you have already used 3 bottles of versa 1, as well as a bunch of enhanced, and you are concerned...then i suggest you get bloods done!!! i would trust your blood test after a significant amount of use much more than i trust anything put out by the fda or any government agency for that matter...I will be the first one to say I don't trust everything the fda/gov have to say. They have an agenda to control supplements same way they do pharma. It's more profitable that way.
They also use pharses like "never let a good tragedy go to waste" ex 9/11, sandy hook, batman shooting. Always a lot of conicedences around those events.
However, as someone who has used 3 bottles of versa 1, as well as a lot of enhanced, do I want to risk the fact that this could be another govt agenda? I look at my wife and 2 daughters and realize, no I do not want to take that risk.
We put a lot of trust into these companies, but at the end of the day their number one concern is to make money. How do we know when a corner was cut in order to offer a sweet deal to consumers?
After everything I have read the last few days, I'm tempted to just throw all my sh1t away, and never look back.
Im gonna go get a referral to labcorp tommorow. Went through 6 versa 1, 2 and a half enhanced, 1 oep powder plus a bunch of samples, and several 21 cap sample bottles of purple cap oep, prob at least 5 to 6 weeks worth. Ill keep everyone updated if interested.if you have already used 3 bottles of versa 1, as well as a bunch of enhanced, and you are concerned...then i suggest you get bloods done!!! i would trust your blood test after a significant amount of use much more than i trust anything put out by the fda or any government agency for that matter...
i know there are lots of guys on this forum who get bloods done frequently, for one reason or another...i also know that usplabs gave out a ton of versa 1 in promos and have sold a significant amount of it....
if anyone who has used versa 1 and had bloods come back showing anything liver connected out of the ordinary....post it up!!!
very interested...i used a bottle of versa 1 during the promo way back before usp even named it...i don't remember how close it was to using versa 1, but for some reason my liver enzymes went crazy high....my doc was so concerned he took me off trt thinking test cyp might be the cause, i started tudca and heavy doses of milk thistle and liver enzymes came down enough for him to put me on androgel....liver enzymes have since been a little high but not out of the ordinary...never could figure out why my liver enzymes blew up like that, thank GOD it was only temporary!!!Im gonna go get a referral to labcorp tommorow. Went through 6 versa 1, 2 and a half enhanced, 1 oep powder plus a bunch of samples, and several 21 cap sample bottles of purple cap oep, prob at least 5 to 6 weeks worth. Ill keep everyone updated if interested.
Word. I dumped the remainder of my Enhanced, but I'm still taking Alphamine, Erase, AS GMS, and Amino IVI don't have any symptoms, it's just concerning to think about.
And some were bought from a major retail chain in HawaiiOther countries have been affected as well, NZ specifically addressed this already. Everyone needs to stop defending USP blindly. There is an investigation. It's not just Hawaii anymore, it's CONUS and foreign.
Go out your tin foil hat on too. Jeez, there's more than 1 country reporting this. You really think the government is going to waste time attacking a tiny company?it's not about defending usplabs, it's about not trusting the government.
why not waste time...they waste everything else!!!Go out your tin foil hat on too. Jeez, there's more than 1 country reporting this. You really think the government is going to waste time attacking a tiny company?
THE TRUTH IS OUT THEREi would not say necessarily that this is some big government conspiricy, nor would i say it was not. but something stinks about this whole situation, and anyone that blindly believes anything any government says is living in a fantasy world. i have no doubt people have gotten sick, but if you dont think the american government would bother putting the time or effort to use this situation to go after usp labs after the whole dmaa thing your crazy.
Hmm didnt know that about coffee. I enjoy a couple strong black coffees a day on top of 1.5 or more gallons of h2o.Ya know I hope you guys are always drinking enough water to make your urine clear. I think water intake is extremely important when taking any supplement. Also remember that coffee detoxes the liver extremely well
No they don't even though I keep trying to explain it over and over.Everyone knows that Aegeline wasn't pulled because of the hospital cases right? That's just some wild guess some Dr threw out there.
Aegeline: A primary alkaloid of Aegle marmelosEveryone knows that Aegline wasn't pulled because of the hospital cases right? That's just some wild guess some Dr threw out there.
very useful, lol....i read that 12% of improrted spices are contaminated with 'filth', and possibly even salmonella with mexico and india being the worst culprits.Aegeline: A primary alkaloid of Aegle marmelos
"Aegle oil may be used as botanical insecticide against different stored grain insect pests causing infestation in stored wheat and pulses"
Rajesh Kumar, Ashok Kumar, Chandra Shekhar, Nawal Kishore Dubey, Raju Samant. Insecticidal activity Aegle marmelos (L.) Correa essential oil against four stored grain insect pest. Internet Journal of Food Safety 01/2008; 10:39-49.
Ok so case closed. You should send that straight to the FDA doorstep so they can end this thing already.Aegeline: A primary alkaloid of Aegle marmelos
"Aegle oil may be used as botanical insecticide against different stored grain insect pests causing infestation in stored wheat and pulses"
Rajesh Kumar, Ashok Kumar, Chandra Shekhar, Nawal Kishore Dubey, Raju Samant. Insecticidal activity Aegle marmelos (L.) Correa essential oil against four stored grain insect pest. Internet Journal of Food Safety 01/2008; 10:39-49.
I don't like USP but it is quite obvious.Ok so case closed. You should send that straight to the FDA doorstep so they can end this thing already.
Seriously? Common man you're making yourself look silly by spear heading this anti USP PES stuff.
It was pulled because it's was non compliant. Beyond that you and I know Jack shyt.
I think this is well known knowledge.I don't like USP but it is quite obvious.
Maybe someone should bring how SNS/CEL were related and how many pro hormones they sold. Talk about liver damage.
I know they received the letter because of a compliance issue but that certainly is an interesting fact about AegelineOk so case closed. You should send that straight to the FDA doorstep so they can end this thing already.
Seriously? Common man you're making yourself look silly by spear heading this anti USP PES stuff.
It was pulled because it's was non compliant. Beyond that you and I know Jack shyt.
Point made.yeah, you really announced it back then, not to mention your quality issues and bunk batches. lets see how many reps really know about your company.
Aegeline: A primary alkaloid of Aegle marmelos
"Aegle oil may be used as botanical insecticide against different stored grain insect pests causing infestation in stored wheat and pulses"
Rajesh Kumar, Ashok Kumar, Chandra Shekhar, Nawal Kishore Dubey, Raju Samant. Insecticidal activity Aegle marmelos (L.) Correa essential oil against four stored grain insect pest. Internet Journal of Food Safety 01/2008; 10:39-49.
The US puts things in their meat??!! Im so glad i live in a country that doesntSo plant oil that kills bugs..... Water kills bugs.... So does hair spray and hand soap.. That doesn't kill humans, doesn't seem like too big if a deal to me. There's plenty of things out there that can be harmful to one species and totally harmless to another.
People eat God knows what in store bought meats... Let alone the hundreds of preservatives and additives in the American diet. That's not to say that the average American is a pillar of health, but id rather guzzle Oep powder or versa1 than eat a pound of chain food store bought beef.
And I'm not pin pointing you or "standing against" you.. Just playing devils advocate. You've always been very helpful and a reliable source of information to me for things unrelated to this.
Salt kills slugs.So plant oil that kills bugs..... Water kills bugs.... So does hair spray and hand soap.. That doesn't kill humans, doesn't seem like too big if a deal to me. There's plenty of things out there that can be harmful to one species and totally harmless to another.
People eat God knows what in store bought meats... Let alone the hundreds of preservatives and additives in the American diet. That's not to say that the average American is a pillar of health, but id rather guzzle Oep powder or versa1 than eat a pound of chain food store bought beef.
And I'm not pin pointing you or "standing against" you.. Just playing devils advocate. You've always been very helpful and a reliable source of information to me for things unrelated to this.