Obama's White House is Falling Down

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Obama's White House is Falling Down

By Daniel Greenfield Thursday, June 11, 2009

In the sixth month of his presidency, Obama has turned an economic downturn into an economic disaster, taking over and trashing entire companies, and driving the nation deep into deficit spending expected to pass 10 trillion dollars.

Abroad, Obama seems to have no other mode except to continue on with his endless campaign, confusing speechmaking with diplomacy. It is natural enough that Obama, who built his entire campaign on high profile public speeches reported on by an adoring press, understands how to do nothing else but that.

Ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries

While the press is still chewing over Obama's Cairo speech, this celebrity style coverage ignores the fact that Obama’s endless world tour is not actually accomplishing anything. Instead his combination of ego driven photo op appearances and clueless treatment of foreign dignitaries have alienated many of America's traditional allies. Those who aren't being quietly angry at Obama, like Brown, Merkel or Netanyahu, instead think of him as absurdly lightweight, as Sarkozy, King Abdullah or Putin do.

While his officials carry out their dirty economic deeds, Obama responds to any and every crisis as if it were a Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland musical,20with a cry of, "Let's put on a show!" Thus far Obama has put on "shows" across America, Europe and the Middle East. And what the adoring media coverage neglects to cover, is that Obama's shows have solved absolutely nothing. They have served only as high profile entertainment.

Neither alienating America's traditional allies, through a combination of arrogant bullying and ignorance, nor appeasing America's enemies, has yielded any actual results. Nor does it seem likely to. Islamic terrorism is not going anywhere, neither are the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. While Obama keeps smiling, the global situation keeps growing more grim.

At home, if Obama was elected as depression era entertainment, the charm of his smile s and his constant appearances on magazine covers appear to be wearing thin on the American public. Despite the shrill attacks on Rush Limbaugh or the Republican Enemy of the Weak-- the Democratic party of 2009, is polling a lot like the Republican party of 2008. The Democrats have suddenly become the incumbents, and the only accomplishment they can point to is lavish deficit spending, often on behalf of the very same corporations and causes they once postured against.

The European Union Parliament's swing to the right cannot be credited to Obama, though doubtlessly some European voters seeing socialist economic crisis management on display in the world's richest country decided they wanted none of it, but it is part of a general turning against federalism. And Obama's entire program is dependent on heavily entrenching federalism at the expense of individual and state's rights. Yet that is precisely his Achilles heel with independent voters who are polling against more taxes and expanded government. And no amount of speeches by Obama can wish away his 18 czars or the national debt he has foisted on generation after generation of the American people.

That leaves Obama with a choice between socialism and the independent voter. And thus far he has chosen socialism.

Obama's tactic of hijacking Bush Administration era policies on the economy and the War on Terror, and exploiting them as Trojan horses to promote his own agenda, have left him coping with a backlash from his own party, as well as general Republican opposition.

His Czars are meant to function as the bones in an executive infrastructure accountable to no one, but a lack of accountability isn't just another word for tyranny, but for incompetence. A functional chain of command is accountable at multiple levels if it is to function effectively. Obama's White House by contrast is in a state of over-organized chaos, the sort of organized disorganization that undisciplined egotistical leftists naturally create for themselves, complete with multiple overlapping levels of authority and no one in charge but the man at the top, who is too busy doing other things to actually be in charge.

Dennis Blair as National Intelligence, who collaborated with the Muslim genocide of Christians in East Timor, trying to muscle out the CIA to create his own intelligence network, is typical of the kind of chaos being spawned by every chief in an expanding government bureaucracy working to make sure that all the Indians answer to him. Similarly the National Security Council wrestling with the State Department, highlighted by Samantha Power getting her own specially created NSC position to butt heads with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, illustrates the state of conflict and chaos in American foreign affairs. A state of chaos so pervasive that incompetence has now become commonplace, and no one can even be found to double check the spelling of a Russian word that is meant to be the theme of American's diplomatic reconstruction with Russia, or to pick out a gift for the visiting British Prime Minister.

The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW

Meanwhile on the economy, Obama exploited the ongoing bailouts, transforming them from bailouts into takeovers meant to shift the balance of power in what had been a democracy and socially engineer not only corporations, but the lives of ordinary Americans. But the public's patience with corporate bailouts is at an end, most Americans were never happy with them to begin with, and want them to end. The death of Chrysler at the hands of Fiat and the UAW might look like a victory in the union ranks, but it doesn't play too well outside Detroit. And tacking on CAFE standards that will kill the pickup truck and the SUV will badly erode Obama in the swing states, if exploited properly in 2010 and 2012. Despite the constant media barrage, orchestrated out of the White House, the public is growing disenchanted with the performance of Obama and the Democrats.

With unemployment booming and the economy dropping, the jobs aren't there and the spending is out of control. Republicans today are polling better on ethics and the economy, than the Democrats are. That shows a trend which is likely to register in the mid-term elections in 2010, in the same way that the EU parliamentary elections served as a shock to the system.

In the opposition, Republicans are free to embrace the rhetoric of change, to champion reform and push libertarian ideas about the size and scope of government. In turn all Obama has is his celebrity fueled media spectacle world tour. A charade now serving as a parallel to the depression era entertainment that functioned as escapism in a dour time. But before long, it may be Obama that the American public will want to escape from.

A shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head

Obama has tried to play Lincoln, Reagan, JFK and FDR-- but in the end he can only play himself, a shallow, manipulative and egotistical amateur who is in over his head, and trying to drag the country down with him. Obama's White House is falling down and while the flashbulbs are still glittering and the parties are going on in D.C. and around the world, Obama and the Democratic Congress may be headed for a recession of their own.
 
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Yeah man... this is scary ****. Were becoming a socialist country all because of this idiot who runs the country solely on his emotions and feelings. He wants national health care! Are you kidding me?! What happened to working for ****? Just because certain lazy ass people that dont want to work cant afford health care; shouldnt mean that the rest of americans have to pay for them. This national health care bull**** will make it so it takes us months to just go in for a regular check-up! I mean ****, why work anymore? Ill just get paid to be a lazy mother-****er by the liberals that are in the white house. Obama is destroying our American way of life... Working hard no longer matters because they just keep taxing us and spreading our hard earned money to lazy people. I saw a bumper sticker once that read: "Work harder! Obama suppoters are counting on you." This **** needs to end. We can no longer continue down this socialistic path!
 
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We spent billions rebuilding Iraq which was a waste but now he is spending trillions trying to even the playing field for Americans. This is all due to Clinton ruining this country. He is the one that sent the jobs to Mexico, China, and India. He benefited and took credit for the outcome of Reganomics and the internet boom. Bush dug us deeper with his vendetta with Sadam and personal interests. We are in desperate times and Obama is living a pipe dream trying to buy a utopia.

Should more higher paying union manufacturing jobs be available so everyone can obtain the American dream? Yes. Should health insurance be affordable for everyone? Yes. Anyone who is willing to wake and go to work and work hard should be able to make a living where they can provide for their family.

In his good intentions trying to provide the American dream to everyone, even those that want a handout and do not want to wake up and work for a living, he is making a debt that will bury this country for generations, if not forever. His Utopia is going to weaken this country, maybe to the point it can never recover and we will no longer be the most powerful country in the world. We will be at the mercy of whatever country wants to have their way with us.
 
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We spent billions rebuilding Iraq which was a waste but now he is spending trillions trying to even the playing field for Americans. This is all due to Clinton ruining this country. He is the one that sent the jobs to Mexico, China, and India. He benefited and took credit for the outcome of Reganomics and the internet boom. Bush dug us deeper with his vendetta with Sadam and personal interests. We are in desperate times and Obama is living a pipe dream trying to buy a utopia.

Should more higher paying union manufacturing jobs be available so everyone can obtain the American dream? Yes. Should health insurance be affordable for everyone? Yes. Anyone who is willing to wake and go to work and work hard should be able to make a living where they can provide for their family.

In his good intentions trying to provide the American dream to everyone, even those that want a handout and do not want to wake up and work for a living, he is making a debt that will bury this country for generations, if not forever. His Utopia is going to weaken this country, maybe to the point it can never recover and we will no longer be the most powerful country in the world. We will be at the mercy of whatever country wants to have their way with us.
I agree man. When you give handouts to people it takes away the desire to strive for better things; Which in turn is going to slow down our countries advancing in technology, business, wealth etc.
 
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There seems to be, with only a few whacky exceptions in the politics forum, a prevailing conservative personality to this forum as a whole. Good stuff! Much better than some of the libby gestapo at my last home.
 
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lol, liberalism left this country raped and ruined.

Excess of 10 trillion? Are you SERIOUS? It does not require that much to help this country. Damn Bush mighta had to deal with some rough stuff, and made a few mistakes, but jeeze 10 trillion is a joke with no real purpose.

Honestly, if that is the real #, we are never going to recover under this government. As long as we are the USA we will ow that, so until we become something else, everyone else technically owns America. Pisses me off we went from once great nation to the crippled dieing giant that cant even hold up its own weight.
 
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There's some sad truth in that rant. We'd better start learning how to speak mandarin for when the Chinese call our debt. Hell, let's just give them California and call it even. They'll drill offshore regardless of how much the hag Nancy Pelosi bitches about it and make that effin state cashflow like a mf. This spending all started under Bush, but Obama is taking the ball and scoring an effin field goal with it. Looks like two wrongs make a right when a prez has the commie media on hi side.

Ohhh ****, I'm done.
 
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I was actually a liberal pre-Obama. He is like a liberal on steroids. More like super liberal with an L on his chest, a cape, and all the free welfare programs a lazy low life could want.
 
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lol! Not at all :p 90% of liberal ideologies I am completely against. Honestly the reason I think many people like the liberals is because it feels rebellious and adventurous.:duel:

well looking at America where you can do everything disgusting legally, and doing anything to prevent that is against the law... ah, the smell of the death of morality!
 
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There seems to be, with only a few whacky exceptions in the politics forum, a prevailing conservative personality to this forum as a whole. Good stuff! Much better than some of the libby gestapo at my last home.
Yes there is a prevailing conservative personality to this forum... That's why everyone here is so helpful and they know what the hell they are talking about... If it were mainly liberal then everyone would be an ass hole and would try to give you advice even though they didn't know ****. haha
 
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Yes there is a prevailing conservative personality to this forum... That's why everyone here is so helpful and they know what the hell they are talking about... If it were mainly liberal then everyone would be an ass hole and would try to give you advice even though they didn't know ****. haha
If Obama was a mod on this board he would try to give everyone great gains no matter what their diet or training was, they would all fully recover with no PCT, and stuff like Muscletech would live up to its hype and you could buy it with food stamps. :usa:
 
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lol! Not at all :p 90% of liberal ideologies I am completely against. Honestly the reason I think many people like the liberals is because it feels rebellious and adventurous.:duel:

well looking at America where you can do everything disgusting legally, and doing anything to prevent that is against the law... ah, the smell of the death of morality!
You are preaching the gospel my friend. Once we turn from morality then we are done for. Im a christian (yup i said it) and i believe that god was blessing our nation. But now that we are turning away from morality (in other words turning away from the bible) then God will stop blessing this country. I mean gays getting married?! If you asked someone 30 years ago if they thought gays should be allowed to get married they would think you were some ****ing perverted scum bag, but nowadays if you say that you dont believe gays should get married you are accused of being prejudice. If not wanting your kids to see two men kissing is prejudice, then **** yes im prejudice. There is no doubt that our forefathers are shaking there heads in shame up in heaven. And I dont even want to get started on obama being pro abortion...
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If Obama was a mod on this board he would try to give everyone great gains no matter what their diet or training was, they would all fully recover with no PCT, and stuff like Muscletech would live up to its hype and you could buy it with food stamps. :usa:
AMEN!
 
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You are preaching the gospel my friend. Once we turn from morality then we are done for. Im a christian (yup i said it) and i believe that god was blessing our nation. But now that we are turning away from morality (in other words turning away from the bible) then God will stop blessing this country. I mean gays getting married?! If you asked someone 30 years ago if they thought gays should be allowed to get married they would think you were some ****ing perverted scum bag, but nowadays if you say that you dont believe gays should get married you are accused of being prejudice. If not wanting your kids to see two men kissing is prejudice, then **** yes im prejudice. There is no doubt that our forefathers are shaking there heads in shame up in heaven. And I dont even want to get started on obama being pro abortion...
"A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday, does not know what it is today, nor what it is trying to do. We are trying to do a futile thing if we do not know where we came from or what we have been about.....The Bible is the one supreme source of revelation of the meaning of life, the nature of God, and spiritual nature and needs of men. It is the only guide of life which really leads the spirit in the way of peace and salvation. America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of Holy Scripture." -Woodrow Wilson :usa:
I am not a christian but I say to each their own. I agree 1000%. Also it is like this do whatever you want and don't judge others culture is being passed down every generation and it intensifies. I seen some kid in the mall with purple and blue hair in all black (whatever they are called, goth, vamp, whatever), 100 piercings, and his GF was walking him on a leash. IN PUBLIC! My dad would of kicked my ass if I left the house like that. These idiot parents call it letting their kids express themselves. WTF is he expressing? He has no dignity or class. This country is going to ****. And you are right. God forbid you don't agree with the new norm like men should be able to marry each other and are entitled to each others blue cross blue shield. You are a bigot if you don't share the belief that is acceptable. Get the **** out of here you ****ing freaks. We need the draft back bad. Send some of these freaks over to the middle east as gun fodder.
 
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I am not a christian but I say to each their own. I agree 1000%. Also it is like this do whatever you want and don't judge others culture is being passed down every generation and it intensifies. I seen some kid in the mall with purple and blue hair in all black (whatever they are called, goth, vamp, whatever), 100 piercings, and his GF was walking him on a leash. IN PUBLIC! My dad would of kicked my ass if I left the house like that. These idiot parents call it letting their kids express themselves. WTF is he expressing? He has no dignity or class. This country is going to ****. And you are right. God forbid you don't agree with the new norm like men should be able to marry each other and are entitled to each others blue cross blue shield. You are a bigot if you don't share the belief that is acceptable. Get the **** out of here you ****ing freaks. We need the draft back bad. Send some of these freaks over to the middle east as gun fodder.
I know its ****ed up! What else is sad is that all the young kids are getting brain washed with this bull****! When Prop 8 was getting voted for in California, I saw two little girls (no older than 12) holding up No on Prop 8 signs. They are not even old enough to like boys yet and they are holding up signs to support the marriage of gays?! They are just a product of the media and its sad to see. The media was what got Obama in the white house. That is why that the largest amount of young voters in the history showed up to vote. The youth these days are loosing there sense of morality and worth.
 
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Honestly to an extent I believe the government loves to keep us debating, to keep America split. Because as long as the people are split, we are divided, and that is not a threat. For if the people of this nation stood together, the federal government would have lost its power and place long ago.

America will never again be a fraction of the great nation it once was. Basically, we missed the golden age. Its time to watch the degeneration and diseased death of a great country turned rogue. And yes, it is the fault of gays, sin, capitalism(greed), drugs, political red tape, cops basically not being able to deal with criminals they way it should be(hangman anyone?), extreme feminists(you know, if you have a penis your evil, those women), mass acceptance of premarital sex, porn, everything that has been adopted since the 60's.

America is just paying its dues now. Judgment if you will. Not that I never indulged myself in anything(such as premarital sex before). But then again, it was basically encouraged in my growing up.

And I am tired or religions getting bashed. If people simply followed the laws put forth by holy books(such as the Bible) Prisons would technically become obsolete. No one would be cheated on(for one it would carry a death penalty if it was up to me), STD's would vanish, the AIDs plague would end, thieves would not be common place, etc,etc,etc.

And to the people that argue America was never a Christian nation. Ignorance.
 
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Honestly to an extent I believe the government loves to keep us debating, to keep America split. Because as long as the people are split, we are divided, and that is not a threat. For if the people of this nation stood together, the federal government would have lost its power and place long ago.

America will never again be a fraction of the great nation it once was. Basically, we missed the golden age. Its time to watch the degeneration and diseased death of a great country turned rogue. And yes, it is the fault of gays, sin, capitalism(greed), drugs, political red tape, cops basically not being able to deal with criminals they way it should be(hangman anyone?), extreme feminists(you know, if you have a penis your evil, those women), mass acceptance of premarital sex, porn, everything that has been adopted since the 60's.

America is just paying its dues now. Judgment if you will. Not that I never indulged myself in anything(such as premarital sex before). But then again, it was basically encouraged in my growing up.

And I am tired or religions getting bashed. If people simply followed the laws put forth by holy books(such as the Bible) Prisons would technically become obsolete. No one would be cheated on(for one it would carry a death penalty if it was up to me), STD's would vanish, the AIDs plague would end, thieves would not be common place, etc,etc,etc.

And to the people that argue America was never a Christian nation. Ignorance.
You know its sad to think that this nation is only going to get worse, but you are right. The only way that we would ever be able to be a great nation again is if the majority of the people of this nation turn back to the bible. Like you said, this nation was founded on Christianity, and once we turn away from the ways of our forefathers and continue indulging ourselves in this immorality; the lord WILL NOT bless us as a nation anymore. But the lord is in control and that is were I derive my peace.
 

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I'm amazed at how people can bring up the morality of this country when its foundation came after the genocide of an entire group of people. I guess because they are brown they don't count. Also I don't think God or whatever force you want to call the supreme force the governs the universe sits up above at sees the earth as a game of Risk board and hands out blessing points based on how good a country is. Do I think America is the greatest country on earth to live in, yes. Have we as a nation committed atrocities just as many other nations in the world yes. Oh, and anyone who thinks that there were not gays around when they were growing up is naive. The only difference between now and a few decades ago is the fact that now they aren't beaten and killed when they out themselves. I think some people actually believe it is a disease while were at it maybe we can cure that damn hyper-pigmentationailment so many people have. Oh and while your at it can someone go take a sledgehammer to whatever the statue of liberty is holding in her arms nowadays.
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I'm amazed at how people can bring up the morality of this country when its foundation came after the genocide of an entire group of people. I guess because they are brown they don't count. Also I don't think God or whatever force you want to call the supreme force the governs the universe sits up above at sees the earth as a game of Risk board and hands out blessing points based on how good a country is. Do I think America is the greatest country on earth to live in, yes. Have we as a nation committed atrocities just as many other nations in the world yes. Oh, and anyone who thinks that there were not gays around when they were growing up is naive. The only difference between now and a few decades ago is the fact that now they aren't beaten and killed when they out themselves. I think some people actually believe it is a disease while were at it maybe we can cure that damn hyper-pigmentationailment so many people have. Oh and while your at it can someone go take a sledgehammer to whatever the statue of liberty is holding in her arms nowadays.
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You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles. Its only logical to assume that the reason you say that this country is the greatest country on earth to live in is because of the quality of life this country offers you... That being said, did you know that the Declaration of Independence, and our bill of rights all gain their moral principles from the bible? Like it or not, the fore fathers that laid down the base foundation for this nation were Christian. The American way of life that you and I love so much is undoubtedly derived from Christianity; or atleast it was. I can guarantee now that Obama is changing the American way of life, you will start to change your mind about America being the best country in the world to live in.
 

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Personally I'm a lapsed catholic, I became very disenfranchised with the church a long time ago. But I still have a strong belief in God, I just thinks it takes away from man's own humanity and sense of self if the only reason a person acts just and right is because there is a reward at the end. I was always taught to treat people with kindness and helpfulness not based on a book but because its the right thing to do. Just out of curiousity which nation did god back before america came into being?
 

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I know its ****ed up! What else is sad is that all the young kids are getting brain washed with this bull****! When Prop 8 was getting voted for in California, I saw two little girls (no older than 12) holding up No on Prop 8 signs. They are not even old enough to like boys yet and they are holding up signs to support the marriage of gays?! They are just a product of the media and its sad to see. The media was what got Obama in the white house. That is why that the largest amount of young voters in the history showed up to vote. The youth these days are loosing there sense of morality and worth.
You clearly didn't see the Barry Obama approved sex ed for 1st graders curriculum back from his state senate days. (The one they named "Fisting For First Graders") I'd bet the average middle school student knows more about nontraditional sex then I ever will.
 
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All this gay bashing is part of what is wrong with this country. Everyone telling everyone else what to do and how to live their lives. I feel that this has a lot to do with why we now have to deal with Obama's policies, and why our taxes are going to skyrocket in the coming years. Conservatives are too blind to see that they are part of the liberal problem.

The problem with the Republican party is that it is so narrow minded and spent the last 30 years pushing morality and other social issues. I would rather have lower taxes, smaller government, civil liberties, and sound economic policies - even if it meant that gays would be free to marry.

I hope for the Republican Party like the one Barry Goldwater envisioned, one without all the BS that we have now. A more inclusive party would attract more voters to the fundamental idea of what being conservative is all about. To me at least, it isn't about being the morality police. If you live in a free society, you aren't going to agree with how everyone lives their lives. Shutting them out of your party is the last thing you want to do - unless of course you like having Obama as your president.
 
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Personally I'm a lapsed catholic, I became very disenfranchised with the church a long time ago. But I still have a strong belief in God, I just thinks it takes away from man's own humanity and sense of self if the only reason a person acts just and right is because there is a reward at the end. I was always taught to treat people with kindness and helpfulness not based on a book but because its the right thing to do. Just out of curiousity which nation did god back before america came into being?
So are you a Deists?.... Christianity does not teach to be kind to one another because if you dont you will not go to heaven. For a christian they have already optained access to heaven by accepting Jesus. The reason we try to be kind to people is because it is what jesus wants from us and because everyone on this planet has the opportunity to accept salvation... When you ask what nation did God back, i dont think God backs nations... I believe he blesses and protects nations. When you say he backs nations you kind of make it sound that hates all other nations besides the one he is backing. He blesses the nations that follow his will that was laid out for us in the gospel. And i believe that every nation can be blessed by God if they just hold true his moral principles... So what is it about America, that is different from other countries, that makes you believe it is the best country in the world to live in? There has got to be something that makes you believe it is the best country in the world to live in.
 
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You clearly didn't see the Barry Obama approved sex ed for 1st graders curriculum back from his state senate days. (The one they named "Fisting For First Graders") I'd bet the average middle school student knows more about nontraditional sex then I ever will.
No i did not. That is messed up. Only further proves my point that Obama is morally corrupt.
 
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All this gay bashing is part of what is wrong with this country. Everyone telling everyone else what to do and how to live their lives. I feel that this has a lot to do with why we now have to deal with Obama's policies, and why our taxes are going to skyrocket in the coming years. Conservatives are too blind to see that they are part of the liberal problem.

The problem with the Republican party is that it is so narrow minded and spent the last 30 years pushing morality and other social issues. I would rather have lower taxes, smaller government, civil liberties, and sound economic policies - even if it meant that gays would be free to marry.

I hope for the Republican Party like the one Barry Goldwater envisioned, one without all the BS that we have now. A more inclusive party would attract more voters to the fundamental idea of what being conservative is all about. To me at least, it isn't about being the morality police. If you live in a free society, you aren't going to agree with how everyone lives their lives. Shutting them out of your party is the last thing you want to do - unless of course you like having Obama as your president.
The last 30 years?.. Before the last 30 years this country was based on good morals. Granted there were still people doing bad immoral things, but the majority of the people upheld morality as a very important issue, the issue of morality is what founded this country. All the early presidents of this nation and up to about 30 years ago were elected mainly due to their sense of good morals. Before 30 years ago moral issues never had to be pushed on the American people because the majority were already living good moral based lives. There was a clear line between what was bad and what was good, and I can guarantee you that being gay was not on the good side of the line. Nowadays that line has been blurred by this wave of people that just live and do by what makes them "feel good" even if its not the right thing to do... The people that still hold on to the morality that this country has always been about ever since its founding, have now become the minority... So this begs the question... Who is really pushing there social issues on who?.. It's this new wave of people, that no longer believe in morality, who have been pushing their issue on moral people like me and others for the last 30 years! You may think that compromising is what we should do, but when it comes to taking away the morality that has been a part of this country for so long, I will not compromise.
 
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All this gay bashing is part of what is wrong with this country. Everyone telling everyone else what to do and how to live their lives. I feel that this has a lot to do with why we now have to deal with Obama's policies, and why our taxes are going to skyrocket in the coming years. Conservatives are too blind to see that they are part of the liberal problem.

The problem with the Republican party is that it is so narrow minded and spent the last 30 years pushing morality and other social issues. I would rather have lower taxes, smaller government, civil liberties, and sound economic policies - even if it meant that gays would be free to marry.

I hope for the Republican Party like the one Barry Goldwater envisioned, one without all the BS that we have now. A more inclusive party would attract more voters to the fundamental idea of what being conservative is all about. To me at least, it isn't about being the morality police. If you live in a free society, you aren't going to agree with how everyone lives their lives. Shutting them out of your party is the last thing you want to do - unless of course you like having Obama as your president.
Put it this way, WIPE OUT one side of the argument ok? So pick the strongest that can survive the other. Homosexuality or Heterosexuality. Well homosexuality dies off, so erase it keep hetero. Abortion, or Pro life. Well if every one aborted, we die off, if every one is pro life, we prosper....Pro life.

See the problem with this country IS division. But the ONLY way to solve that is to leave only one side. Obviously certain sides are made up of humanities failures and shortcomings. Abortion is a form of Murder, gays are an insult to the species in general and offensive to any religion and can in no way serve to further the species.

You have to completely erase one side if you want to be strong. No complaining, act smart and understand that. A great nation has never been on divided. Throughout history most Great nations were under Iron Rule of a Monarchy, or Dictator, etc. And no great nation ever openly accepted homosexuality, or the likes. Ones that did fell(like the Roman Empire, etc.)

See the gays, want to strip rights away from the many, to protect the few. I am sorry but intelligence says, sacrifice the few(especially ones that bring NOTHING to the species) to save the many(those who will procreate and not bring division or confusion to the species).

It is a simply scientific issues. Cut off the arm that will destroy thee. For America it is liberalism, abortion, gays, porn, etc,etc,etc. Premarital sex used to get you stoned. We didnt have STD's. Today every one does it, we have I think 128 STD's 10 of which I think are fatal, last time I checked.

Obviously thats the WRONG route if it is destroying our species, eh?

The problem with America, is that it has changed to give gays what they want, to accept sex as a common thing, to embrace pornography as normal. In the short time we have done that our society has been increasingly demolished. And will continue to be destroyed. Until the death of this country is a reality. What do you think will happen when the next revolution or civil war comes? Gay's will no longer be protected, the entire nation will be a warzone, so just guess? Personally I would not hurt a person for that, but the built up anger they have imprinted on this nation will likely result in a "purge". Which is sad, because they werent content with what they had and their own personal corruption, they had to spread it further into the nation.

If you followed the old ways, there are no problems. You follow religious rules set forth, we have no problems. Like I said, AIDS would not exist, STD's would not, violence, hate, etc would all dissipate. But Nope! We have to deal with it because its WHAT people want.

Every one asks if God is real, why do we suffer? BECAUSE YOU DESIRE TO SUFFER, so shut up, and understand your getting everything you are asking for. You protect criminals, your murder is justified when one kills you (lawyers). You believe in premarital sex, well your herpes or AID's is justified. Why did it happen? You wanted it. Simple.

Then those of us who dont want it, have to also suffer because of the people who do! So who is wrong? Who is the monsters? Liberals are easily the most narrow sighted selfish fools creation has ever spawned. They would strip the rights away from a billion people to give new rights to a thousand. Ignorance, and one of the biggest downfalls of our species.

Whine bicker of complain, but humanity would advance much faster if it didnt have to waste precious resources on homosexuality or STDs or abortion and the fights, arguments, and division those things bring.
 
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Put it this way, WIPE OUT one side of the argument ok? So pick the strongest that can survive the other. Homosexuality or Heterosexuality. Well homosexuality dies off, so erase it keep hetero. Abortion, or Pro life. Well if every one aborted, we die off, if every one is pro life, we prosper....Pro life.

See the problem with this country IS division. But the ONLY way to solve that is to leave only one side. Obviously certain sides are made up of humanities failures and shortcomings. Abortion is a form of Murder, gays are an insult to the species in general and offensive to any religion and can in no way serve to further the species.

You have to completely erase one side if you want to be strong. No complaining, act smart and understand that. A great nation has never been on divided. Throughout history most Great nations were under Iron Rule of a Monarchy, or Dictator, etc. And no great nation ever openly accepted homosexuality, or the likes. Ones that did fell(like the Roman Empire, etc.)

See the gays, want to strip rights away from the many, to protect the few. I am sorry but intelligence says, sacrifice the few(especially ones that bring NOTHING to the species) to save the many(those who will procreate and not bring division or confusion to the species).

It is a simply scientific issues. Cut off the arm that will destroy thee. For America it is liberalism, abortion, gays, porn, etc,etc,etc. Premarital sex used to get you stoned. We didnt have STD's. Today every one does it, we have I think 128 STD's 10 of which I think are fatal, last time I checked.

Obviously thats the WRONG route if it is destroying our species, eh?

The problem with America, is that it has changed to give gays what they want, to accept sex as a common thing, to embrace pornography as normal. In the short time we have done that our society has been increasingly demolished. And will continue to be destroyed. Until the death of this country is a reality. What do you think will happen when the next revolution or civil war comes? Gay's will no longer be protected, the entire nation will be a warzone, so just guess? Personally I would not hurt a person for that, but the built up anger they have imprinted on this nation will likely result in a "purge". Which is sad, because they werent content with what they had and their own personal corruption, they had to spread it further into the nation.

If you followed the old ways, there are no problems. You follow religious rules set forth, we have no problems. Like I said, AIDS would not exist, STD's would not, violence, hate, etc would all dissipate. But Nope! We have to deal with it because its WHAT people want.

Every one asks if God is real, why do we suffer? BECAUSE YOU DESIRE TO SUFFER, so shut up, and understand your getting everything you are asking for. You protect criminals, your murder is justified when one kills you (lawyers). You believe in premarital sex, well your herpes or AID's is justified. Why did it happen? You wanted it. Simple.

Then those of us who dont want it, have to also suffer because of the people who do! So who is wrong? Who is the monsters? Liberals are easily the most narrow sighted selfish fools creation has ever spawned. They would strip the rights away from a billion people to give new rights to a thousand. Ignorance, and one of the biggest downfalls of our species.

Whine bicker of complain, but humanity would advance much faster if it didnt have to waste precious resources on homosexuality or STDs or abortion and the fights, arguments, and division those things bring.
So damn true man.
 

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Personally I'm a lapsed catholic, I became very disenfranchised with the church a long time ago. But I still have a strong belief in God, I just thinks it takes away from man's own humanity and sense of self if the only reason a person acts just and right is because there is a reward at the end. I was always taught to treat people with kindness and helpfulness not based on a book but because its the right thing to do. Just out of curiousity which nation did god back before america came into being?


Israel is God's chosen nation.
 

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They blew it when Jesus came, hence what they have fallen into.
Actually that is what had to happen.If Christ had not died we would not have salvation.If you want to blame a group of people,what about the romans they were the ones who actually crucified Him.What i am saying is blame no whole group of people.Jesus said he was first sent to the Jews first then to the gentiles.He knew what was coming and allowed it to happen,because it was the only way we could ever be united with God.
 
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Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?
 
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Anyone else think this country peaked in the 50s and has gone progressively downhill since?
Every country has its Golden Age, We didn't miss it. We were just premature, mankind in and of itself has alot of potential to do good for this planet, and possibly others. It will never happen until we start thinking more global, and less country.
 

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Actually that is what had to happen.If Christ had not died we would not have salvation.If you want to blame a group of people,what about the romans they were the ones who actually crucified Him.What i am saying is blame no whole group of people.Jesus said he was first sent to the Jews first then to the gentiles.He knew what was coming and allowed it to happen,because it was the only way we could ever be united with God.
And if you read the rest of the story (the end of the Bible), Israel is still the chosen nation. God will have his say and raise his nation back up. We do not want to be on the wrong side when everything starts to happen and God begins to restore his people.

If you haven't read revelation, or find it hard to make sense of it, there is a fantastic series out called Left Behind. It's written by Dr. Tim LaHaye. It is a fiction story that illustrates what is going to happen as layed out in Revelation. There is a movie series that makes it visual and really makes you think about what is going to happen in the world when God says it is time. It is really eye opening just visually seeing how things are going to happen.

Rippedforce, I don't blame you one bit for being disenfranchised with the catholic church, or any church for that matter. What you have to remember is that it isn't about one set of "church" beliefs, rules, philosophies. It's about what God has to say. Everything that happened in the new testament was predicted in the old. Everything that happened to Jesus was predicted before Jesus was ever born. So it's important to remember, that everything that is layed out in revelation is going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Some believe that the time is getting near. Joel Rosenberg has done some great research that ties things that have been happening in the world, middle east in particular, to the events that are layed out in revelation.

So no matter what church affiliation you might have, or don't have, the future is still layed out. I don't put much credibility in any church or denomination that makes their own "rules". Denominations were generally started when someone became disenfranchised and decided I will just start my own church.

Were there groups and civilizations that were worse off than we are now? Absolutely. How did God deal with them once they got completely out of hand? Sodom and Gommorah ring a bell?

We are definitely heading to hell in a handbasket, moreso than any other time in American history. Just make sure you know where you are going to spend eternity, because you never know when it will too late to make the most important decision in your life.
 
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I agree with you. After the big sixties movement it seemed like more and more people started to loose their sense of morality.
 
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And if you read the rest of the story (the end of the Bible), Israel is still the chosen nation. God will have his say and raise his nation back up. We do not want to be on the wrong side when everything starts to happen and God begins to restore his people.

If you haven't read revelation, or find it hard to make sense of it, there is a fantastic series out called Left Behind. It's written by Dr. Tim LaHaye. It is a fiction story that illustrates what is going to happen as layed out in Revelation. There is a movie series that makes it visual and really makes you think about what is going to happen in the world when God says it is time. It is really eye opening just visually seeing how things are going to happen.

Rippedforce, I don't blame you one bit for being disenfranchised with the catholic church, or any church for that matter. What you have to remember is that it isn't about one set of "church" beliefs, rules, philosophies. It's about what God has to say. Everything that happened in the new testament was predicted in the old. Everything that happened to Jesus was predicted before Jesus was ever born. So it's important to remember, that everything that is layed out in revelation is going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Some believe that the time is getting near. Joel Rosenberg has done some great research that ties things that have been happening in the world, middle east in particular, to the events that are layed out in revelation.

So no matter what church affiliation you might have, or don't have, the future is still layed out. I don't put much credibility in any church or denomination that makes their own "rules". Denominations were generally started when someone became disenfranchised and decided I will just start my own church.

Were there groups and civilizations that were worse off than we are now? Absolutely. How did God deal with them once they got completely out of hand? Sodom and Gommorah ring a bell?

We are definitely heading to hell in a handbasket, moreso than any other time in American history. Just make sure you know where you are going to spend eternity, because you never know when it will too late to make the most important decision in your life.
Amen brother. The only thing that i might not agree with you is when you said that the Left Behind series depicts how its actually going to happen, and it could very well happen that way. But there are many other theories on how everything is going to happen. Some believe in the Rapture, some believe that we are going to have live on this earth during the times of tribulation, and others believe that the entire book of Revelation was written for Israel during the times of Romes rule over the children of God and that we dont know at all when judgment will happen; it will just happen in the blink of an eye "like a thief in the night". I personally dont even think one to be more likely than the other just as long as I will be with Jesus when I die. So no one can really be sure. But i agree with everything else you said in your post.
 

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I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.
 
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I didn't mean the left behind series was word for word accurate, I just meant the story depicts the main points that are layed out. Character stories and specifics are fictional, but the premise reflects what's written. I haven't read the books, just seen the movies.

If the believers are taken in rapture, and the unbelievers have to endure the tribulation, then yes, both theories are correct.

Your personal decision is the most important. It's not about joining a church or religion, it's about what God can do in your life and how you can be a blessing to others. Jesus is the one that can change people's hearts, break addictions, and radically change your life.
But even the premises could not be one hundred percent true. It is also possible that there will not be any signs of when Christ comes for his people; it will be in the blink of an eye when it is least expected; and its also possible that revelation was mainly written for the early Christains that were being prosecuted and killed, and is not talking about the end of the world. There are so many theories with so many different premises. All im trying to say is that even the premises of which the Left Behind series layed out could be completely wrong... But it doesnt matter who is right or wrong about the end times. All that matters is if we have accepted Jesus.
 

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If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.:think:
 
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If the country was so moral back in the "good ole days". I guess the lynching and deaths of tens of thousands of blacks in america would be considered a faux pas or internment camps set up to house thousands of japanese americans during world war 2. Or women being considered second class citizens until the dawn of the twentieth century. History should not be looked at thru rose colored glasses.:think:
No but the lynching of thieves/rapists/murderers still sounds damn nice. As for the japanese during WWII, sorry, War is War, and the japanese were a horrid and notorious enemy. No precautions are too harsh, the sacrifice of the few, for the greater good of the many IMO. Though the camps could have been ran much better IMO as well.

As for women being second class. I personally do not believe women should be allowed to be soldiers/cops. Other than that, everything else I hope they get into and succeed. Doctors, business owners, etc, etc... I watch too many shows with female officers getting easily overpowered even with their mace and tazers. Its not a job they are built for.

Same thing with soldiers. I honor them equally now that they are in, but I am also happy they are not allowed to be infantry or SF atm. At least last time I checked. Not because I believe they CANT, but its just programmed in guys to "Protect the Women" its the way we are, how we are supposed to care. This creates all kind of screw ups in war, such as cases in Iraq and such. If a women is in trouble, orders and such become second priority because nature kicks in.

Not that they arent crack shots(some of the best shots in the world are from great female shooters on the ranges), or some of them are not amazing at combat(though most are not) the ratios are alot different. a 180 lb man vs a 200 lb enemy is hard enough, but a 140 lb girl vs a 200 lb enemy is...well...over before it begins in close combat. Most military girls are NOT built limber enough to count martial arts as a benefit. I know, been there, seen em. Its just lucky we areny in a war that is massive enough to cause casualties into the 100,000's like WWII. Sorry this is likely just the part of me that says we are supposed to protect them, at all costs. This is not their job to die. ITs a mans duty. SO if a man dies, its not no where near as sad. We have burried fathers and sons since the dawn of man in war. But not mothers daughters. Its just not right to have to do that.

History should be learned from. Honestly today though, every equal rights leader is Crapping in their graves. Martin Luther King would have a heart attack if he was not dead, and womens rights leaders would see that the freedoms they instilled also brought about strip clubs and the such and the modern slut and would likely set about beating the crap out of those women themselves.

Human nature is this: Once we get a foot, we want a mile. And once we taste freedom, we want more than just that.

I wish women could have had their rights without becoming what they have, men could have given more to others without becoming needy on substance/fun, and race could truly be erased and we all be one=mankind.

Cant happen, and its too late to do anything about it. The world is built in a suicide frenzy guaranteed to finish us off eventually. We can no longer fix criminals, race cant be erased because everyone thinks they are owed something by someone else be them white/black/tan/whatever. Death is so overly feared is BS.

Honestly, you want to fix some of the problems, kill off 60% of the earths population. No more energy crisis, or starvation, wipe out the ones with diseases and STD's or who would be rabble rousers. And the world would improve a thousand fold. Do away with excess technology. Things would run smoother. But that really is not an option. I dont want 4 billion deaths on my hand, so I guess we will just let destiny unfold.

People complain of death of the past, when it is death of the future they should focus on.

See death is always viewed as "The Problem" when all the time it has been the answer. Because the only way you get out of this hell hole, is to die.

I am in no way racist/sexist or anything if any of that accidentally came off that way. I support universal equality, but certain things, even Biblicaly speaking, should be accepted. Really all that applies to modesty and the soldier/cop thing.

ITs all I want I want I want. Such as what atheists and other religions have done to America. Raped it and left it a soulless empty nation.

Politics can take a .45 and blow its brains out. Freedom of religion yes, but I believe in a national religion. If you dont like the pledge of allegiance, then cover your ears instead of your heart.
 
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You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles. Its only logical to assume that the reason you say that this country is the greatest country on earth to live in is because of the quality of life this country offers you... That being said, did you know that the Declaration of Independence, and our bill of rights all gain their moral principles from the bible? Like it or not, the fore fathers that laid down the base foundation for this nation were Christian. The American way of life that you and I love so much is undoubtedly derived from Christianity; or atleast it was. I can guarantee now that Obama is changing the American way of life, you will start to change your mind about America being the best country in the world to live in.
\\the idea that the founding fathers put forth christian principles is laughable. They were deists, which in case you were unaware is a huge difference. In fact, guys like Franklin and Jefferson (I use them due to their role with the Declaration) did all they could to keep religion out of the foundation of the country.
 
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There's some sad truth in that rant. We'd better start learning how to speak mandarin for when the Chinese call our debt.
When have we ever paid debt back? Do you think we're going to start now? Obama is a screw up, but I don't think this speech is coming down the pipe any time soon:

"My fellow Americans,

"I'm here to speak to you today and let you know, all that stuff I promised, well it's got to go. No free health care, no jobs, nada. What's more, we're going to raise taxes on everyone, especially working class people. We're also cutting entitlements, especially social security, medicare, medicaid. I know all this comes as a shock to you, but we must do it, we must tighten our belts.

"Because you see, the Chinese need their money, and we Americans are good for our debts people. We borrowed a ****load of money and used it to fund the biggest spending bender this side of reality, and now it's time to pay the piper, who in this case speaks Mandarin..."

Bull****. We'll call the Chinese predatory lenders, demand they 'modify' our debt our we'll find some way to repudiate it, and there will be likely some severe military tensions if not out and out war which will probably revolve around Korea. And everyone in the US, being dumb ****s and thinking war is a way to prosperity, will be all for it.

The only ray of hope right now are two bills sitting in the house and senate, that prompt an audit of The Fed. If people see the real thief behind the curtain they may go another way, but I doubt it. Even if it passes the rhetoric surrounding The Fed's actions will be keynesian and/or monetarist in nature, few if anyone will likely demand they stop the printing presses.
 
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God forbid you don't agree with the new norm like men should be able to marry each other and are entitled to each others blue cross blue shield. You are a bigot if you don't share the belief that is acceptable. Get the **** out of here you ****ing freaks. We need the draft back bad. Send some of these freaks over to the middle east as gun fodder.
Bigot? Perhaps. However there is this little thing called equality before the law, a standard Americans generally try to uphold however imperfectly, and it has yet to be argued convincingly that allowing gay men or women to contract with each other for purposes of inherritence and hospital visits and what not, to basically get the same special rights straight couples get, poses any threat to anyone or anything.

Is there a loss of standards in the world? Perhaps. Problem is, every generation has said that about the upcoming generation since the begining of time. The world has been going to hell because of the kids for the last few millenia it seems. To me this argument is nothing more than defering blame to the essentially powerless. It is the working public of voting age that controls everything, sets standards, etc. The kids' failures are really their failures.
 
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You are entitled to your own opinion... When did i ever say that there were not gays around in the old days? Of coarse there were, but just because they were always around doesn't mean its morally right to be gay. I believe in the bible as being the true word of god, you probably don't and you can make your own choices. But this country was founded on Christian principles.
Two of which are personal resonsibility and self determination. Two things easily lost when people confuse what may or may not be moral with what should and should not be legal. This country was also founded with the knowledge of what happens when you mix church and state, and that is a corruption of both. The state is put to purposes it is not properly suited to, the church is corrupted with power and mass opinion, and its message diluted.

If you want your religion to be as strong as possible you need to stop complaining about the actions of others, stop implying and/or demanding the state force them to conform, and set your own example and standard of success by abiding by the principles you hold hear. Grant to the state the power to force conformity, you run the risk of people getting into power who disagree with you, and they will then begin to decimate the beliefs and standards you hold dear by forcing nonconformity with them and taking from you the power to set and keep your own standards.
 
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The last 30 years?.. Before the last 30 years this country was based on good morals. Granted there were still people doing bad immoral things, but the majority of the people upheld morality as a very important issue, the issue of morality is what founded this country. All the early presidents of this nation and up to about 30 years ago were elected mainly due to their sense of good morals. Before 30 years ago moral issues never had to be pushed on the American people because the majority were already living good moral based lives.
Do you actually have some proof of this, or is this just some "oh but for the lost golden age" bull****? People were more moral back then? Same people who gave us the income tax? The Alien and Sedition Act? The Fed? The welfare warfare state? Same people who made Indians kinda hard to find? Who used blacks for medical experiments or as tree ornaments, or fire hose aiming practice? The same people who treated women as chattle, who forbade them to own property and vote, and who said beating them was okay so long as the stick you used wasn't too thick, those people? Oh but for the golden age where people really weren't more moral or ethical than now, it was just easier to get away with bashing and killing those with whom you disagreed and as such they tended to hide and/or make themselves scarce. Oh but for the golden age where in the country based on 'freedom' significant portions of the population had to hide, lie, and fear physical abuse, imprisonment, and death to varying degrees based on their skin color, genetalia, and what they did with the latter. Oh but for the days when the niggers and the reds and the browns and the chinks knew their places and shut up or got the fire hose or the noose, when the ***s had to live in fear and when the women kept their cow asses in the kitchen and died regularly in child birth. What a time! ****, if we could only turn back the clock we might have the wonderous morality of seeing Barak Obama, **** up that he is, hanging from a tree in the rose garden. That would sure solve a lot of our problems, and then we could use fire hoses to wipe away his cabinet appointments. Oh for the days of greater morality that never really existed except on the back of the mistreatment of so many.

Your more moral world comes with too many niggers in nooses, ***s lying dead in trenches, and women in graves, all of them robbed of their potential by your ****ed up piece of **** utopia. I'll take today's less moral world over that any day.
 
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This is correct. Religion was considered tyranny by the founders of this country. That was one of the main reasons for breaking away from England. They believed no one should be persecuted for their beliefs.
 

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