OBAMACARE...JUST A SMOKESCREEN

[Zac Speed]

you know my friend people are not sheep nor sheeple and there is no shame in having a changing of views nor admitting when one has become seeing in truth something once seen half in shadow

Thats funny.. I whitnessed sheeple first hand at my local county caucus. People are stupid stupid sheep. A lot of them..

 

[ax1]

THANK YOU!!!!! To Jonathan Gruber, one of the architects of Obamacare for opening your big mouth and exposing the fraud Obamacare is!!!

I hope your enjoying your $400,000 that Lord Fuhrer Obama paid you with our tax dollars. I hope that helps pay you for your new Obamacare policy.

 

[thebigt]

2 more years of obama...then we get 8 years of hillary...i don't know if this country will even exist 10 years from now!!!

 

[faither]

You Americans,don't you realise your average American has had his rights slowly eroded away for decades is called dumbing down of the masses . The people at the top have total control they don't need thousands of thinking individuals they need worker drones that do what they are told to believe and do what they are told to do ,they think if you have your basic needs food and entertainment you will be content . It's almost the same system as they use in China everyone is the same .

 

[thebigt]

You Americans,don't you realise your average American has had his rights slowly eroded away for decades is called dumbing down of the masses . The people at the top have total control they don't need thousands of thinking individuals they need worker drones that do what they are told to believe and do what they are told to do ,they think if you have your basic needs food and entertainment you will be content . It's almost the same system as they use in China everyone is the same .

more and more americans are realizing this, but high tech gizmos and gadgets have american youth brainwashed.

 

[Touey]

You Americans,don't you realise your average American has had his rights slowly eroded away for decades is called dumbing down of the masses . The people at the top have total control they don't need thousands of thinking individuals they need worker drones that do what they are told to believe and do what they are told to do ,they think if you have your basic needs food and entertainment you will be content . It's almost the same system as they use in China everyone is the same .

The highest concentration of individual wealth in the world is in Washington D.C. for a reason. Although parties aren't controlled by the bosses anymore who were controlled by American & international bankers plus munition makers and the like. The idea that "Americans" are controlling their destiny is perhaps even less true today

less and less americans are realizing this, but high tech gizmos and gadgets have american youth brainwashed.

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[faither]

Exactly mate the youth have lost all common sense , think they know it all and won't be told different I shouted at one and he almost broke down in tears lol,don't think an adult had ever raised his voice to him correctness gone mad .

 

[thebigt]

Exactly mate the youth have lost all common sense , think they know it all and won't be told different I shouted at one and he almost broke down in tears lol,don't think an adult had ever raised his voice to him correctness gone mad .

like most social programs started by the government, political correctness has become corrupted.

 

[faither]

It's another form of control I should not be afraid to call white white and black black for gods sake it's only words .thats my opinion maybe it's Im old and stuck in a different era. I'm Scottish so I know a bit about oppression the English have been at it for hundreds of years. What way do you think the man on the street can do to bring things back under control of the people? Voting doesn't seem to change anything something needs to be done. I have to laugh at Obama when he makes himself out as the big peace maker when he has probably sanctioned more assassinations than any previous president in the cause of freedom. But who's freedom we are watched by cctv all day more and more of your freedom taken away information on you stored and held will come a day you can't take a **** with out the government knowing.

 

[thebigt]

It's another form of control I should not be afraid to call white white and black black for gods sake it's only words .thats my opinion maybe it's Im old and stuck in a different era. I'm Scottish so I know a bit about oppression the English have been at it for hundreds of years. What way do you think the man on the street can do to bring things back under control of the people? Voting doesn't seem to change anything something needs to be done. I have to laugh at Obama when he makes himself out as the big peace maker when he has probably sanctioned more assassinations than any previous president in the cause of freedom. But who's freedom we are watched by cctv all day more and more of your freedom taken away information on you stored and held will come a day you can't take a **** with out the government knowing.

the only power we have is our money....stop letting them take away holidays like thanksgiving-refuse to shop on thanksgiving...when companies like walmart refuse to pay livable wage to workers, protest outside walmarts, and don't shop there.

the american economy is doing much better than corporate america wants us to believe, it's like a rich uncle who always tells you he is broke-he just doesn't want to share!!!

 

[Quest]

The problems is there are not enough of us (thebigt, faither)...they outnumber us now.

Young folks today are watered down ****. I will run into a good one here or there, but for the most part they are soft, spoiled brats with entitlement issues.
They figure a college education is life handed to them. At our cost tho, we don't want lil johnny to walk in the cold and wait for his bus, so we drive him! He might catch a cold!! From a small biz owners view...

I own a painting biz, you would laugh at the production rates of a 55 year old career alcy vs an in shape young college BOY,
Line em up, I'll hire the old cripple nine out of ten times. He can make it a good seven with a lunch break...I mean its pathetic folks these young people today...


My father was a ww2 vet born during the depression from Brooklyn, enough said.

 

[thebigt]

The problems is there are not enough of us (thebigt, faither)...they outnumber us now.

Young folks today are watered down ****. I will run into a good one here or there, but for the most part they are soft, spoiled brats with entitlement issues.
They figure a college education is life handed to them. At our cost tho, we don't want lil johnny to walk in the cold and wait for his bus, so we drive him! He might catch a cold!! From a small biz owners view...

I own a painting biz, you would laugh at the production rates of a 55 year old career alcy vs an in shape young college BOY,
Line em up, I'll hire the old cripple nine out of ten times. He can make it a good seven with a lunch break...I mean its pathetic folks these young people today...


My father was a ww2 vet born during the depression from Brooklyn, enough said.

you have young guys like josh who get caught up in statistics and data, statistics and data can be manipulated. too much reliance on data and statistics and not enough on commonsense....even the guy who helped draft obamacare now says the data and statistics used to sell obamacare was manipulated. guess my crystal ball was right, eh josh!!!

 

[ax1]

I've been aware of it for years, not all Americans (why do you refer to "you" American so condescendingly) are sleeping. I've been trying to wake the sheeple up for over the last 15 years.

The only problem or obstacle to waking up the tin foil people is the money and resources invested in thwarting reality by the corporations and goverment.

If they take control the internet, we lose one of our last low cost methods of spreading the truth.

 

[faither]

I've been aware of it for years, not all Americans (why do you refer to "you" American so condescendingly) are sleeping. I've been trying to wake the sheeple up for over the last 15 years.

sorry wasn't meant to be condescending it was in reference to the fact I'm not from America

 

[BillyBatson]

2 more years of obama...then we get 8 years of hillary...i don't know if this country will even exist 10 years from now!!!

What makes you think Hilary is going to win?

More and more continues to surface as to exactly how dishonest and incompetent that shrew truly is.

 

[ax1]

What makes you think Hilary is going to win?

More and more continues to surface as to exactly how dishonest and incompetent that shrew truly is.

That didnt stop Bush and Obama from winning elections, and we had 4 years from each of them to figure that out first hand, and people still vote for them.

 

[BillyBatson]

Bush wasn't dishonest nor incompetent . . . and at least he had EXPERIENCE as a successful GOVERNOR of Texas prior to his presidency. And please don't start with the whole tired/repeatedly-debunked "Bush Lied/People Died" bull****.

 

[ax1]

Bush wasn't dishonest nor incompetent . . . and at least he had EXPERIENCE as a successful GOVERNOR of Texas prior to his presidency. And please don't start with the whole tired/repeatedly-debunked "Bush Lied/People Died" bull****.

Yeah right, Mr. Weapons of Mass Destruction didnt only destroy Iraq, but also destroyed our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

 

[ax1]

Yeah right, Mr. Weapons of Mass Destruction didnt only destroy Iraq, but also destroyed our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Basically, no I wont rant "Bush Lied/People Died" bull, Ill tell you right now George Bush is a terrorist and belongs in Guantanamo Bay.

 

[BillyBatson]

Yeah right, Mr. Weapons of Mass Destruction didnt only destroy Iraq, but also destroyed our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Oh I see . . . and I suppose you also believe that there never were any terrorists ... we have nothing to worry about ... and Obama has been doing an awesome job so far, eh? C'mon.

 

[ax1]

Oh I see . . . and I suppose you also believe that there never were any terrorists ... we have nothing to worry about ... and Obama has been doing an awesome job so far, eh? C'mon.

Oh geez...lol You think I love Obama just because I hate Bush?

Your stuck in the false left/right paradigm.

Both Bush and Obama need to rot in hell.

 

[thebigt]

What makes you think Hilary is going to win?

More and more continues to surface as to exactly how dishonest and incompetent that shrew truly is.

obama is as dishonest as they come, although i have come to believe he is very competent.

common sense tells me that any republican is going to have a rough road...the majority of women/blacks/hispanics/gays/ white poor all see liberalism as the answer. with obama's success at dividing the nation into pockets of 'whats in it for me groups' the best interest of the country is falling to the back of the list of priorities for the majority of voters.


obama's legacy will be the 'GREAT DIVIDER' , imo.

 

[AE14]

Bush wasn't dishonest nor incompetent . . . and at least he had EXPERIENCE as a successful GOVERNOR of Texas prior to his presidency. And please don't start with the whole tired/repeatedly-debunked "Bush Lied/People Died" bull****.

let's not be partisan. The last 2 administrations have been as incompetent as any 2 in history

 

[AE14]

I would be surprised if it's Hillary. Get ready for the draft Warren crusade and the real "progressive" takes over. N

 

[BillyBatson]

Holy Crap ... Warren would be just as bad - if not WORSE - than Obama for this nation.

 

[AE14]

Holy Crap ... Warren would be just as bad - if not WORSE - than Obama for this nation.

agreed. Certainly didn't say I would like it. But I think it's inevitable

 

[BillyBatson]

agreed. Certainly didn't say I would like it. But I think it's inevitable

Scott Walker is polling pretty well at the moment ... I think he could defeat Warren if the election were held this year.

 

[AE14]

Scott Walker is polling pretty well at the moment ... I think he could defeat Warren if the election were held this year.

problem for Walker is two gold. He is peaking too early, and he is prone to silly comments. If he goes "national" he might be his own worst enemy.

 

[BillyBatson]

problem for Walker is two gold. He is peaking too early, and he is prone to silly comments. If he goes "national" he might be his own worst enemy.

Speaking of stupidity and silly comments . . .

 

[Whacked]

Lol. Good one

 

[AE14]

Speaking of stupidity and silly comments . . . <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=115545"/>

no disagreement here. She will be a nightmare as will Walker.

Hell, I haven't seen one potential candidate yet that I feel I can generally support.

 

[thebigt]

no disagreement here. She will be a nightmare as will Walker.

Hell, I haven't seen one potential candidate yet that I feelwhw I can generally support.

question:
who was the last presidential nominee that you did 'generally' support?

 

[AE14]

question: who was the last presidential nominee that you did 'generally' support?

I hate to admit it but none. I don't dislike Rand but don't think he will be able to garner the support needed to get to the general. I am actually starting to believe Rubio might be the guy that can actually create a little buzz.

What about you T?

 

[thebigt]

I hate to admit it but none. I don't dislike Rand but don't think he will be able to garner the support needed to get to the general. I am actually starting to believe Rubio might be the guy that can actually create a little buzz.

What about you T?

generally speaking reagan was a good president-when compared to those who have come after!!!

i can't really think of anyone who has been a good president since JFK, or even any note-worthy candidates.

this may sound odd coming from me, but i actually thought nixon did some good things, hellova lot better than obama---but then that isn't saying very much!!!!

 

[AE14]

generally speaking reagan was a good president-when compared to those who have come after!!! i can't really think of anyone who has been a good president since JFK, or even any note-worthy candidates. this may sound odd coming from me, but i actually thought nixon did some good things, hellova lot better than obama---but then that isn't saying very much!!!!

Nixon actually did well on a foreign policy point of view.

I am no Reagan lover by any stretch but at least global respect was there. That has been dying for a good many years.

I have little confidence for any of them at this point.

 

[thebigt]

Nixon actually did well on a foreign policy point of view.

I am no Reagan lover by any stretch but at least global respect was there. That has been dying for a good many years.

I have little confidence for any of them at this point.

yeah, i was overseas in the navy during part of reagans time in office, it actually meant something good to be an american then. after that i lived in the phillipines and americans were very respected.....nowadays i don't think americans get much respect overseas, but with leaders like obama it's not surprising, not that bush was all that!!! the american people have been shortchanged with our leaders, imho!!!

 

[sinewave3]

To me it just seems like any candidate that makes it to the potentially Presidential level have to make so many deals and promises (to donors, not voters) that they are all essentially the same on most issues.

If you look back at the Bush - Obama transition many key players (Ben Bernanke, etc) stayed even though Obama came into office. Both also had many of the same banks and other donors contributing to their campaigns. If Republican would have won we would have the same medical care system written by the same insurance companies, just a different name on it.

 

[thebigt]

To me it just seems like any candidate that makes it to the potentially Presidential level have to make so many deals and promises (to donors, not voters) that they are all essentially the same on most issues.

If you look back at the Bush - Obama transition many key players (Ben Bernanke, etc) stayed even though Obama came into office. Both also had many of the same banks and other donors contributing to their campaigns. If Republican would have won we would have the same medical care system written by the same insurance companies, just a different name on it.

insurance companies own the banks, what does that tell you----it means no medical care system will ever take place in this country that the insurance companies are not behind!!!
what this means to me is that no medical system reform that truely benefits us comsumers will take place, the government is not strong enough to take on the insurance/banking conglomerates.

 

[ax1]

the government is not moral enough to just say no to lobby money from the insurance/banking conglomerates.

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And by the way, the fact that the main opposition leader to Obamacare (John Boehner) has an estimated stock portfolio valued at 3.5-5 million that benefits from Obamacare should make it no surprise that he is all puppet show to the country and swimming in cash behind closed doors. People are so fooled on both sides of the same coin, its unbelievable. Maybe we will get change in 2 years when the next finger puppet takes the stage?

Lol It will be either Hitlery or her Bush.

 

[thebigt]

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And by the way, the fact that the main opposition leader to Obamacare (John Boehner) has an estimated stock portfolio valued at 3.5-5 million that benefits from Obamacare should make it no surprise that he is all puppet show to the country and swimming in cash behind closed doors. People are so fooled on both sides of the same coin, its unbelievable. Maybe we will get change in 2 years when the next finger puppet takes the stage?

Lol It will be either Hitlery or her Bush.

hillery could rob 10 banks and kill 10 people and still get elected...unless she dies 1st she WILL be the next president!!!

 

[BillyBatson]

hillery could rob 10 banks and kill 10 people and still get elected...unless she dies 1st she WILL be the next president!!!

So confident are you?? ... Why is this?

 

[tmd17]

Lol at obama...

 

[thebigt]

So confident are you?? ... Why is this?

the answer my friend is blowing in the wind....hillary is the annointed choice of the democrats. the majority of poor whites/blacks/gays and gay supporters/hispanics/atheists, and just good old liberals will all vote democratic!!!

this country has become divided into pockets of agenda driven voter bloc's...all of them with the idea that they are 'entittitled', no one seems to be content with being equal everyone wants to be special!!! what is best for this country gets thrown under the bus for what is best for my special interest group, this is why hillary WILL be the next president!!!

 

[BillyBatson]

the answer my friend is blowing in the wind....hillary is the annointed choice of the democrats. the majority of poor whites/blacks/gays and gay supporters/hispanics/atheists, and just good old liberals will all vote democratic!!!

this country has become divided into pockets of agenda driven voter bloc's...all of them with the idea that they are 'entittitled', no one seems to be content with being equal everyone wants to be special!!! what is best for this country gets thrown under the bus for what is best for my special interest group, this is why hillary WILL be the next president!!!

So in other words, you believe Hilary will be elected because the country has basically turned into this . . . .

 

[thebigt]

So in other words, you believe Hilary will be elected because the country has basically turned into this . . . .

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unfortunately...that is exactly what i think!!!!

OBAMA IS THE GREAT DIVIDER....this is just my opinion after 56 years of observing trends in this country....i really think this country is more divided along racial, gender, religious lines than it has been in many years. i feel slow but steady progress was being made to close that gap until obama stepped into the picture!!!!

 

[Bigdeputy]

OBAMA IS THE GREAT DIVIDER....this is just my opinion after 56 years of observing trends in this country....i really think this country is more divided along racial, gender, religious lines than it has been in many years. i feel slow but steady progress was being made to close that gap until obama stepped into the picture!!!![/QUOTE]

This I agree with. Obama has done nothing but pour salt on old wounds....

 

[thebigt]

OBAMA IS THE GREAT DIVIDER....this is just my opinion after 56 years of observing trends in this country....i really think this country is more divided along racial, gender, religious lines than it has been in many years. i feel slow but steady progress was being made to close that gap until obama stepped into the picture!!!!

This I agree with. Obama has done nothing but pour salt on old wounds....[/QUOTE]

absolutely!!! that is one of the most accurate posts i have ever made, and i have made a few, lol!!!!

 

[Quest]

Every time Moochelle Obama opens her pie hole a kitten dies. I mean it's painful...

 

[BillyBatson]

 

[thebigt]

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very nice!!!!


i agree 100% but still think she will be next president, unfortunately!!!