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powerman2000 said:
I did not put any stock in anyone's words. Which is why I said what I said about actions.

But the fact right now is that their words, empty or not, are very opposed.
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Of course they are though. You try to draw distinctions between you and your opponent....especially one as unpopular as the current President. But keep in mind Obama's words were much different than what we got, and Mitt's words in Mass. were much different than what they got. Like I said, on the real big stuff they will probably likely be the same and neither has proven through their actions (which are supposed to be so important) that they are really big into liberty.
 
Geoforce said:
Of course they are though. You try to draw distinctions between you and your opponent....especially one as unpopular as the current President. But keep in mind Obama's words were much different than what we got, and Mitt's words in Mass. were much different than what they got. Like I said, on the real big stuff they will probably likely be the same and neither has proven through their actions (which are supposed to be so important) that they are really big into liberty.
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The biggest thing is the economy, and on that they couldn't be more different, both in word and actions past.
 
powerman2000 said:
The biggest thing is the economy, and on that they couldn't be more different, both in word and actions past.
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Neither will fix the economy. The Federal Reserve just got a partial audit after years of fighting, and they revealed 16 trillion dollars in secret overseas transactions and bailouts (only between 2007 and 2010 was audited) and both these felons are going to be debating each other over pocket change rather than tackling the Federal Reserve problem, instead they will both support to hand over more power. Both these felons will be spending trillions on wars and continue to expand them. Both support police state policies against the American people.
 
ax1 said:
Neither will fix the economy. The Federal Reserve just got a partial audit after years of fighting, and they revealed 16 trillion dollars in secret overseas transactions and bailouts (only between 2007 and 2010 was audited) and both these felons are going to be debating each other over pocket change rather than tackling the Federal Reserve problem, instead they will both support to hand over more power. Both these felons will be spending trillions on wars and continue to expand them. Both support police state policies against the American people.
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IMO, your personal background has tainted you to the point of biased objectivity.
 
powerman2000 said:
IMO, your personal background has tainted you to the point of biased objectivity.
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How is that possible, 16 trillion dollars has nothing to do with our economy? Isnt that more money than our supposed total deficit?

Trillions of dollars in wars also has nothing to do with our own economy? Its not like we are even getting any oil out of it that Cheney promised.
 
ax1 said:
How is that possible, 16 trillion dollars has nothing to do with our economy? Isnt that more money than our supposed total deficit?

Trillions of dollars in wars also has nothing to do with our own economy? Its not like we are even getting any oil out of it that Cheney promised.
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I'm referring more to your constant remarks of "police state" and calling Romney, who's never been our president, and Obama "felons", and "murderers".

BTW, do you have a link for the federal reserve audit you referenced?
I would be very interested to read that data.
 
powerman2000 said:
I'm referring more to your constant remarks of "police state" and calling Romney, who's never been our president, and Obama "felons", and "murderers".

BTW, do you have a link for the federal reserve audit you referenced?
I would be very interested to read that data.
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Obama signed and Romney supports the NDAA act, National Defense Authorization Act which will cost $662 billion annually.
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and we also have recently signed national defense resources authorization act that allows the military to take your personal property, food, resources and even take you and put you to labor which basically makes every American suspectable to a new draft.
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ax1 said:
Obama signed and Romney supports the NDAA act, National Defense Authorization Act which will cost $662 billion annually.
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and we also have recently signed national defense resources authorization act that allows the military to take your personal property, food, resources and even take you and put you to labor which basically makes every American suspectable to a new draft.
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these are the scary ones.

like I've said in other threads...we are the Weimar republic.

wether it's "green inititatives", a "terror" threat, economic collapse, whatever - we are no longer free.
 
carpee said:
these are the scary ones.

like I've said in other threads...we are the Weimar republic.

wether it's "green inititatives", a "terror" threat, economic collapse, whatever - we are no longer free.
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As far as how you live your daily life, how are you less free?
 
powerman2000 said:
As far as how you live your daily life, how are you less free?
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The problem here is that Im witnessing all of our freedoms slowly deteriorating. Its not going in a good direction.

I can think of some examples off the top of my head quick.

The military has the right to knock on the door and take me legally and make me serve thanks to the excecutive order Obama signed. Also they can take what I own.

Im forced to buy health insurance soon. IRS is being expanded by 16,000 fully combat trained and armed agents just to enforce health care along with "Obama's" civilian military task force that was also funded in the bill.

TSA at the airports, and its expansion to stadiums and roadside checkpoints is another one.

Drones, legalized spying and wiretapping....this is not compatible in a free society.

Look how in NYC they want to start making 16oz soda's and above illegal as well as popcorn. Just a "granny state" example
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powerman2000 said:
As far as how you live your daily life, how are you less free?
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personally - can't get a loan to move out to my own place....unless you have a large down payment, and I place blame on this admins terrible handling of the economy and just resorting to blaming bush.


but I was saying overall, with any of the imminent "threats" we are not free.
those executive orders say they can require you to govt labor positions, take land, supplies, etc. basically personal property.

on top of that, what stops an out of control process of drones and killing civilians to not just "terrorists" and overseas and is aimed at anyone who opposes these actions?
 
ax1 said:
The problem here is that Im witnessing all of our freedoms slowly deteriorating. Its not going in a good direction.

I can think of some examples off the top of my head quick.

The military has the right to knock on the door and take me legally and make me serve thanks to the excecutive order Obama signed. Also they can take what I own.

Im forced to buy health insurance soon. IRS is being expanded by 16,000 fully combat trained and armed agents just to enforce health care along with "Obama's" civilian military task force that was also funded in the bill.

TSA at the airports, and its expansion to stadiums and roadside checkpoints is another one.

Drones, legalized spying and wiretapping....this is not compatible in a free society.
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As has been said by many before, freedom or security. We live in a different world today. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, mostly.
 
powerman2000 said:
Doesn't it suck for you to be living in constant fear?
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I don't live in fear at all. Just because I stand up for the constitution, and fight against its deterioration doesn't make me a coward.

Those willing to exchange their liberties for security live in fear.

If there is one thing I fear, it's spiders lol
 
carpee said:
personally - can't get a loan to move out to my own place....unless you have a large down payment, and I place blame on this admins terrible handling of the economy and just resorting to blaming bush.


but I was saying overall, with any of the imminent "threats" we are not free.
those executive orders say they can require you to govt labor positions, take land, supplies, etc. basically personal property.

on top of that, what stops an out of control process of drones and killing civilians to not just "terrorists" and overseas and is aimed at anyone who opposes these actions?
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you and I both know that tighter loan restrictions is not the fault of this administration. After the 2008 collapse, there were necessary steps that had to take place. Additionally, the restrictions should lead to less defaults on new loans
 
I still can't believe there are Obama supporters. These people either voting just because they are bored, or clearly have been in some sort of coma over the last 4 years. I'm proud to say I'm voting for Mitt Romney in 2012.

Let's see what happens when Romney gets in front of cameras and is asked to explain his ever changing positions.
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If he can lie like Obama does, then he shouldn't have a problem.

QFT:

"Dear fellow Americans, if you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you weren't a racist, please vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot".


 
kingk0ng said:
I still can't believe there are Obama supporters. These people either voting just because they are bored, or clearly have been in some sort of coma over the last 4 years. I'm proud to say I'm voting for Mitt Romney in 2012.
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+1!
 
kingk0ng said:
I still can't believe there are Obama supporters. These people either voting just because they are bored, or clearly have been in some sort of coma over the last 4 years. I'm proud to say I'm voting for Mitt Romney in 2012.
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or love their govt handouts


some still support him just because he's black (Samuel L Jackson), some truly buy the green energy and social bullcrap, some are just blinded by a smooth talker
 
One thing that the sheeple completely missed in the last election was that Obama never explained HOW he was going to perform these miracles he promised. 4 years ago, he could have sold ice to eskimos.
 
gregg1494 said:
Im with ya bro. If some one could give me name 3 things Obama has done that helped people with out expanding government or wasting tax payer dollars i would be impressed.
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Romney will continue to expand our government and waste our tax dollars though. Your not saying Romney is the solution, are you?
 
specmike said:
One thing that the sheeple completely missed in the last election was that Obama never explained HOW he was going to perform these miracles he promised. 4 years ago, he could have sold ice to eskimos.
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He was very clear how he was going to perform miracles.

Hope.
 
AE14 said:
you and I both know that tighter loan restrictions is not the fault of this administration. After the 2008 collapse, there were necessary steps that had to take place. Additionally, the restrictions should lead to less defaults on new loans
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I was prepared to post the same, but honestly...why bother. This site is close to about 99.999999999% carry the 1% conservative.
 
When you play the race card, class warfare, promise guberment handouts, free college tuition, blame bush you get a lot of sheeple on board. I will look for it, but on YouTube there is the video of that girl saying "odumbo is buying my gas and paying my mortgage". That is who we are up against.

The dems going back to Woodrow Wilson( our first socialist Prez) then LBJ realized something: the more people you get on the guberment dole and the massive fraud with the unions , you are buying votes. Soon, we may never be able to turn the tide to European socialism. That is what the dems want.
 
dallasboy22 said:
When you play the race card, class warfare, promise guberment handouts, free college tuition, blame bush you get a lot of sheeple on board. I will look for it, but on YouTube there is the video of that girl saying "odumbo is buying my gas and paying my mortgage". That is who we are up against.

The dems going back to Woodrow Wilson( our first socialist Prez) then LBJ realized something: the more people you get on the guberment dole and the massive fraud with the unions , you are buying votes. Soon, we may never be able to turn the tide to European socialism. That is what the dems want.
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Is it really European socialism? Or fascism?
 
I love when people describe others as "sheeple", when they support most of their opinions with blogs, youtube videos that a guy made in his mother's basement, so called news sites ran by others who share the same ideologies, conspiracy theorists who post the wackiest sh*t that will NEVER or has EVER happened, but yeah...everyone else is part of the herd. :/
 
southpaw23 said:
I love when people describe others as "sheeple", when they support most of their opinions with blogs, youtube videos that a guy made in his mother's basement, so called news sites ran by others who share the same ideologies, conspiracy theorists who post the wackiest sh*t that will NEVER or has EVER happened, but yeah...everyone else is part of the herd. :/
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Right, instead of tackling the issues presented lets label them as "conspiracy theorists" and "basement monkeys" to discredit without trying.
 
southpaw23 said:
Or "sheeple"...just saying.
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So lets say the top military brass tells congress that they are ceremonial and they seek foreign entities for war approvals.

Someone posts a youtube video about it, but lets just call it a conspiracy theory made in a basement even though this was shown live on C-Span although none of the media is covering it.
 
ax1 said:
So lets say the top military brass tells congress that they are ceremonial and they seek foreign entities for war approvals.

Someone posts a youtube video about it, but lets just call it a conspiracy theory made in a basement even though this was shown live on C-Span although none of the media is covering it.
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Like this

 
carpee said:
or love their govt handouts


some still support him just because he's black (Samuel L Jackson), some truly buy the green energy and social bullcrap, some are just blinded by a smooth talker
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Yeah, or they're just lazy. I'm curious to how Obama is going to "create new jobs" and "lower energy prices" by doing the exact opposite. Shutting coal, oil and gas plants and operations downs are going to put almost half the country out of work and it's going to result in the incline of electricity and fuel costs. They don't care about this, because they may work in another line of work and they don't care about Obamacare because maybe they don't have sick family members that are up in the numbers in age.

People saying we base our negative opinions on Obama by articles and such and that is NOT true. We base our opinions on Obama by the fact he hasn't done a jack diddly damn thing over the past 4 years.
 
kingk0ng said:
Yeah, or they're just lazy. I'm curious to how Obama is going to "create new jobs" and "lower energy prices" by doing the exact opposite. Shutting coal, oil and gas plants and operations downs are going to put almost half the country out of work and it's going to result in the incline of electricity and fuel costs. They don't care about this, because they may work in another line of work and they don't care about Obamacare because maybe they don't have sick family members that are up in the numbers in age.

People saying we base our negative opinions on Obama by articles and such and that is NOT true. We base our opinions on Obama by the fact he hasn't done a jack diddly damn thing over the past 4 years.
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He has done alot Mr. KingkOng. For starters he has signed more executive orders than Bush even though his campain was to put an end to that.

This is what Im trying to get though to people, stop listening to the lies and follow the policy.

Obama is a straight up dictator.

His first one being sealing his personal records.

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ax1 said:
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Funny how when you post that link via google, the narrative changes and you see other links tied to Ron Paul sites, and/or here's another cute one...Obama is a muslim (youtube). I wouldn't even waste half my time on videos like this, that purport to send some type of message that's not grounded in reality, but more so libertarian/conservative ideology. Like I said, I'm not here to change your mind, you believe what you like, but it's my belief that the majority of this stuff borders on wacky. And I'm talking about Mel Gibson wacky.
 
southpaw23 said:
Funny how when you post that link via google, the narrative changes and you see other links tied to Ron Paul sites, and/or here's another cute one...Obama is a muslim (youtube). I wouldn't even waste half my time on videos like this, that purport to send some type of message that's not grounded in reality, but more so libertarian/conservative ideology. Like I said, I'm not here to change your mind, you believe what you like, but it's my belief that the majority of this stuff borders on wacky. And I'm talking about Mel Gibson wacky.
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Right, this video was created in my grandmothers basement and not Washington. The guy is my grandfather, not head of the Military.
 
I personally define sheeple in this context as uninformed voters or people that will vote for pipe dreams cuz the guy selling them is a good charismatic public speaker.
 
ax1 said:
Right, this video was created in my grandmothers basement and not Washington. The guy is my grandfather, not head of the Military.
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First of all he's referring to a "coalition", in other words a "partnership." We have bases around the world. You seem to think this somehow circumvents the constitution, which is exactly what Bush did by invading Iraq. Give me a break, you take a video, an interview, a snippet and mold this stuff to fit some narrative you have that Ron Paul is somehow the savior.
 
southpaw23 said:
First of all he's referring to a "coalition", in other words a "partnership." We have bases around the world. You seem to think this somehow circumvents the constitution, which is exactly what Bush did by invading Iraq. Give me a break, you take a video, an interview, a snippet and mold this stuff to fit some narrative you have that Ron Paul is somehow the savior.
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The executive and military can only get congressional approval to go to war. Read the constitution.

Bush got congressional approval to go to war with Iraq, Obama didnt even consult with congress to go to war with Libya, he just got permission from NATO.

Now, if we go to war with Iran, you do realize the military can legally draft you right? I can supply you with an official goverment document directly from the government website but its a conspiracy theory made by some sheeple.
 
southpaw23 said:
First of all he's referring to a "coalition", in other words a "partnership." We have bases around the world. You seem to think this somehow circumvents the constitution, which is exactly what Bush did by invading Iraq. Give me a break, you take a video, an interview, a snippet and mold this stuff to fit some narrative you have that Ron Paul is somehow the savior.
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ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 The Congress shall have Power:

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress....

ARTICLE 1, SECTION 9

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

ARTICLE II, SECTION 2

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States....
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur....
 
ax1 said:
The executive and military can only get congressional approval to go to war. Read the constitution.

Bush got congressional approval to go to war with Iraq, Obama didnt even consult with congress to go to war with Libya, he just got permission from NATO.

Now, if we go to war with Iran, you do realize the military can legally draft you right? I can supply you with an official goverment document directly from the government website but its a conspiracy theory made by some sheeple.
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Oh okay now he's reinstituting the draft? Let me ask you this...does he know where Jimmy Hoffa's body is buried as well? I'm not here to debate these youtube videos with clear cut narratives, blogs, sites put up on Tuesday by a old dude named Chester claiming to be a legitimate "news" site, Fox news or the like. I just peeked my head in to see what other goodies people are coming up with. So far we have:

1) New World Order
2) Reinstituting the draft.
3) Bigfoot's carcass.
4) Tom Cruise is really an alien sent here to help Obama and Oprah take over the world with mini Mr. Bigglesworth.
5) Obama is an evil minion sent here from the planet Africa by his sinister father El Jorel.

Thanks for enlightening all of us.
 
southpaw23 said:
Oh okay now he's reinstituting the draft? Let me ask you this...does he know where Jimmy Hoffa's body is buried as well? I'm not here to debate these youtube videos with clear cut narratives, blogs, sites put up on Tuesday by a old dude named Chester claiming to be a legitimate "news" site, Fox news or the like. I just peeked my head in to see what other goodies people are coming up with. So far we have:

1) New World Order
2) Reinstituting the draft.
3) Bigfoot's carcass.
4) Tom Cruise is really an alien sent here to help Obama and Oprah take over the world with mini Mr. Bigglesworth.
5) Obama is an evil minion sent here from the planet Africa by his sinister father El Jorel.

Thanks for enlightening all of us.
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Keep comparing me to sheeples. And I dont watch FOX, you keep imagining Im something Im not.

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I have a conspiracy theorist buddy that claims that the Dept of Homeland Security has bought a few million .40cal rounds this year. They are a domestic/civilian force. If this is anywhere close to accurate, I wonder what it means? They caught a good deal on .40cal at Costco? Some claim it's signs that our own Fed Govt is preparing to gear up against us.
 
Its a youtube video, so even though its George Bush Sr. addressing to congress lets throw it out because some "sheeple" posted it and made it in their basement just like you could care less about what Defense Secretary Leon Panetta was addressing to congress.
 
ax1 said:
Keep comparing me to sheeples. And I dont watch FOX, you keep imagining Im something Im not.

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I'm not comparing you to anything. I'm speaking in general terms. What site is ufppc.com and WHO runs it? Explain to the audience...
 
specmike said:
I have a conspiracy theorist buddy that claims that the Dept of Homeland Security has bought a few million .40cal rounds this year. They are a domestic/civilian force. If this is anywhere close to accurate, I wonder what it means? They caught a good deal on .40cal at Costco? Some claim it's signs that our own Fed Govt is preparing to gear up against us.
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Its not a conspiracy theory, they bough enough supplies to last 7 years against us.

This was reported on market watch but they took the link down.
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southpaw23 said:
I'm not comparing you to anything. I'm speaking in general terms. What site is ufppc.com and runs it? Explain to the audience...
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It was easier than posting a PDF link, but here you go buddy from an official goverment website.
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ax1 said:
Its not a conspiracy theory, they bough enough supplies to last 7 years against us.

This was reported on market watch but they took the link down.
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It's not so much that they bought it. It's what they intend to do with it.
 
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