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O.L. EP1C Unleashed Transdermal vs O.L. EP1C Unleashed

I do, as a consumer who wants to know exactly what I'm paying for :) I don't think that's too much to ask. Given two products with the exact same ingredients, would you choose the prop blended one over the one that listed out clinically proven doses of everything?

I know it's a contentious issue these days - Blame Stopanni, Lobliner, and Trudel :)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Doesn't make it "right". And for food - I just want a full belly without Asbestos. A supplement that is supposed to directly or indirectly increase LBM/Strength/Endurance is a whole different ball game, IMO. Think the FDA would let a "Prop Blend" drug fly? "Ingredients: MicrobeMash3RTM 1.5g Metronidizole, Ciprofloxacin, Cephalexin" :)

Like I said before, I own OL products and applaud the other 99% of the line - but they f'd up here *in my opinion* by hiding something (and no, I have not been convinced that prop blends protect anything still - especially the ones that just have a bunch of raws in a pill/powder. Labs can find out )

My next Ostarine purchase will be OL and I'd love to see an LGD-4033 from them.
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How much does it cost to reverse engineer a product?

Comparing a pharma drug to a supplement is a bold claim in this regard. They are not in the same ball game so the comparison makes no sense.

When/ if you work in R&D youll see how your hard work can be easily taken and ripped off and that same company can then use the money they saved in R&D to gain an edge on you.
 
Jiigzz said:
How much does it cost to reverse engineer a product?

Comparing a pharma drug to a supplement is a bold claim in this regard. They are not in the same ball game so the comparison makes no sense.

When/ if you work in R&D youll see how your hard work can be easily taken and ripped off and that same company can then use the money they saved in R&D to gain an edge on you.
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Some truth here.
 
Jiigzz said:
How much does it cost to reverse engineer a product?

Comparing a pharma drug to a supplement is a bold claim in this regard. They are not in the same ball game so the comparison makes no sense.

When/ if you work in R&D youll see how your hard work can be easily taken and ripped off and that same company can then use the money they saved in R&D to gain an edge on you.
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Why do you still cling to the notion that a well funded adversary (who is the #1 threat, as they have the $$ - Mom & Pop ain't footing the bill to a Lab) can't figure out a prop blend? GHoGH even said they could, but it was the PhytoFUSETM process that would be hard to figure out. But then you came back and said figuring out a PC Complex was easy.... so both those together kind of put another dagger in the "Prop Blends Protect" argument.

It would seem, as far as protecting something, you get a Patent and Trademark on "PhytoFUSE". Then if anyone wants to use it (or steals it) - you will win. Like that guy who owns the Nitrates patent.

Anyway, anyone want a theory? :)

Going back to our good friend Meriva Curcumin, we know that PC complexed compounds WAY increase absorption. Ie. you can use 100mg of a compound that will equal the blood plasma concentration of ingesting 500mg without Phsphatidylcholine. (I'm taking liberty with numbers for illustration).

So, from the latest research on -(-)Epi, we have blood plasma concentration numbers for 50, 100, and 200mg of plain old orally ingested Sigma-Aldrich -(-)Epi. But with our friend Phophatidylcholine in the mix, we EXCEED the 200mg numbers by a huge margin with just 50mg of -(-)Epi.

But how is that going to look on the full page ad? :) Pay more, get less. Now *we* will say hell yeah, 5x the blood level for $10 more? Sign me up! - but the average schmoe will head on over and get 150mg of MDX -(-)Epi for $19.99.

AMS PH's are the same way - 25mg Cyclodextrin vs 300mg Oral (and no they don't disclose either - that amount is a guess). But the stuff works, as I bet OL -(-)Epi does.

Anyway, just a guess. And If correct, I can see why marketing wanted a prop blend. And look! Nothing nefarious! :) But something *is* hidden. And I would open label it and rake in the money from intelligent consumers, and let the morons who don't know science, stay weaker :)

Or I could be totally wrong and we'll never know anyway :)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Why do you still cling to the notion that a well funded adversary (who is the #1 threat, as they have the $$ - Mom & Pop ain't footing the bill to a Lab) can't figure out a prop blend? GHoGH even said they could, but it was the PhytoFUSETM process that would be hard to figure out. But then you came back and said figuring out a PC Complex was easy.... so both those together kind of put another dagger in the "Prop Blends Protect" argument.

It would seem, as far as protecting something, you get a Patent and Trademark on "PhytoFUSE". Then if anyone wants to use it (or steals it) - you will win. Like that guy who owns the Nitrates patent.

Anyway, anyone want a theory? :)

Going back to our good friend Meriva Curcumin, we know that PC complexed compounds WAY increase absorption. Ie. you can use 100mg of a compound that will equal the blood plasma concentration of ingesting 500mg without Phsphatidylcholine. (I'm taking liberty with numbers for illustration).

So, from the latest research on -(-)Epi, we have blood plasma concentration numbers for 50, 100, and 200mg of plain old orally ingested Sigma-Aldrich -(-)Epi. But with our friend Phophatidylcholine in the mix, we EXCEED the 200mg numbers by a huge margin with just 50mg of -(-)Epi.

But how is that going to look on the full page ad? :) Pay more, get less. Now *we* will say hell yeah, 5x the blood level for $10 more? Sign me up! - but the average schmoe will head on over and get 150mg of MDX -(-)Epi for $19.99.

AMS PH's are the same way - 25mg Cyclodextrin vs 300mg Oral (and no they don't disclose either - that amount is a guess). But the stuff works, as I bet OL -(-)Epi does.

Anyway, just a guess. And If correct, I can see why marketing wanted a prop blend. And look! Nothing nefarious! :) But something *is* hidden. And I would open label it and rake in the money from intelligent consumers, and let the morons who don't know science, stay weaker :)

Or I could be totally wrong and we'll never know anyway :)
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Dont get me wrong, open labels are cool as well, but I can also see the need for a prop blend. everyone is down for open labels until its their product and research also being scrutinized.

It is also costly to patent a particular process or blend which some companies simply cannot afford. You also need a lot of money and time to reinforce those patents. Small companies who want to make a living selling products do not have the manpower to both do this and fight lawsuits.

I used to want to see open labels but I can figure out to some extent the products that are ripping me off to the ones that could have enough by virtue of the total product amount, by the position in the prop blend list and by knowing commonly found dosages.

But dont get me wrong, I can see your stance as well from a consumer perspective
 
But as from what I hear plenty of people are responding with astonishing results from the TD.

So either will be effective
 
I'm 2 days in to my bottle of the TD version of Unleashed. Can't say much about it with it only being day 2, but I'm also not expecting the crazy muscle gains that are marketed. Looking primarily for the endurance and leaning effects. I'm nearing the end of my cut and also doing a lot cardio and endurance type training so these effects will be noticeable when they present themselves.

My only complaint so far is that the TD is extremely runny, like a straight liquid. Was kind of expecting a lotion type of TD. Everything else is great though (smells good, dries quickly, etc.)

Really looking forward to seeing what this stuff can do :D
 
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Try both (among other items...) - on sale at Nutriverse. I vote pills, Ep1c Unleashed is effective as hell and personally, TDs are a pain in the ass
 
not exactly the answer to my question, but thanks.
I have tried the original Ep1c and noticed better recover.
Also tried the original Laxogenin transdermal from OL and noticed nothing.
I am interested to see how the new versions work.
I am just curious about the phytofuse. Is it something OL came up with or another company called phytofuse?
 
PHWSSJ said:
not exactly the answer to my question, but thanks.
I have tried the original Ep1c and noticed better recover.
Also tried the original Laxogenin transdermal from OL and noticed nothing.
I am interested to see how the new versions work.
I am just curious about the phytofuse. Is it something OL came up with or another company called phytofuse?
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We get this made, not buy it made from another company. Hope this answers you question.
 
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