Novedex XT PCT

wait, are you telling me that becuase people don't know what they are taking, the effects and what ancillaries should be used and they get away with it, that they are right and everyone should do that?

well...since you put it that way...
 
PumpingIron said:
wait, are you telling me that becuase people don't know what they are taking, the effects and what ancillaries should be used and they get away with it, that they are right and everyone should do that?

well...since you put it that way...
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no, thats not what I said at all.....again, have you ever tried to run a post cycle therapy without a SERM?? in the words of Bob Marley, before you knock it, try it first.
 
PumpingIron said:
wait, are you telling me that becuase people don't know what they are taking, the effects and what ancillaries should be used and they get away with it, that they are right and everyone should do that?

well...since you put it that way...
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And seriously...at age 23 how much experience do you REALLY have? At 23 all you really need to use is creatine and protien.
 
rickeepoo1 said:
And seriously...at age 23 how much experience do you REALLY have? At 23 all you really need to use is creatine and protien.
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Thanks for the advice. I never touched a hormonal substance until i was 22 and at my genetic max, or pretty close to it. Want to see the pics. I am more then careful when it comes to my body and that's pretty known around here.

Don't throw an insult like "you are too young to use" when you are telling people to use irresponsibly.

Get your facts straight there big guy.
 
LeanBulk said:
no, thats not what I said at all.....again, have you ever tried to run a post cycle therapy without a SERM?? in the words of Bob Marley, before you knock it, try it first.
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No, I like being able to bang a chick whenever I want and to feel like I want to all the time...

Plus not having gyno is a plus in my book.
 
PumpingIron said:
Thanks for the advice. I never touched a hormonal substance until i was 22 and at my genetic max, or pretty close to it. Want to see the pics. I am more then careful when it comes to my body and that's pretty known around here.

Don't throw an insult like "you are too young to use" when you are telling people to use irresponsibly.

Get your facts straight there big guy.
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I apologize...I don't mean to condesend. I'm just saying that you're being totally dismissive of the people who have chosen not to use any type of SERM and have had success.

I don't doubt that you've been successful with SERMs but I don't think you've tried recovering without such a toxic drug.

Also...my Halodrol cycle was 25/50/50/25. Why would I run the same PCT as someone who is finishing a cycle of Superdrol stacked with something else and using higher dosages? I'm just saying that, in my case, my cycle was not supressive enough to warrent using the SERM (but like I said...I have some on hand. My libido is fine, balls are fine, I get erections just fine, no gyno)
 
I still have a hard time believing that a SERM is a must for all PH cycles. Esp with something like Halodrol or Propadrol. Like I have said before I have ran Halodrol-50 and hemadrol before and used novedex-XT with other things for PCT and had great bloodwork afterwards. Now for Superdrol, M1T and others like that where shutdown is pretty much a given I can see where a SERM is needed. Expect for pulsing(sorry shamless plug) As for as I know Oral-Turinabol doesn't shut u down. I don't know everything about steroids I am always learning and learned alot on here and the other board I post at. I am not a huge fan of ATD's though from alot of neg feedback and researching that I have done.

Carry on.
 
pistonpump said:
wow. im gonna stay quiet and just watch the madness...
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Yea, I'm spent. I think the posts in this thread and about 2 or 3 others have made me just lose hope in people. I guess it will be fun watching people hurt themselves anyways...

I'm staying out of helping people who have no clue what they are doing to themselves, and are too stubborn or whatever to take proper precautions, from now on.

I'm always more then happy to help those who will listen though. I am just going to stop giving advice so freely, to help stay away from drama like this.
 
I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. You obviously have run a couple of cycles and have had success. Your PCT has been successful while using a SERM but you haven't tried it without one. You'll find people have been successful doing PCT without using SERMS. Especially on the less supressive compounds.

...and by the way...I apologized for being condesending to you. (mostly because you seem to have knowledge and I'd like to learn from ya still)

Now eat a hamburger: :burg:
 
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Now I am in no way saying serm's arent needed for pro-steroids or actual steroids but heres my journey with 2 cycles of prohormones and novedex xt and a liver detox with all gains kept and no loss of libido or gyno or any other crap sides. :study: :cheers:
 
Ummm, unless you're talking about 3AD...everything out today is a Steroid, not a Prohomrone.

I just wanted to make that clear.
 
Well I'm just making it clear that my 20lb gain from cycle one and 15lb gain from cycle two was contained with no major sides or libido loss and gains kept in full w/o a serm. Any who... I wont be using anything other halovar or if I even use it again so no worries about serms or the other stuff for me.
 
Well, PCT is long over with and still maintaining strength levels, and have not lost any weight beyond that initial water weight loss.

The "boys" are still up and running like I said they were. No gyno, no lethargy, no nothing.

And no SERM. And I've done this before as I said.

So no, a SERM is NOT required for everybody and for all cycles. People have been doing anabolics for decades and most without the use of a SERM. Some have experienced bad effects, but so have SERM users.

I'm doing just fine and dandy sans SERM.
 
"Clomid listed possible side effects do include hot flashes, nausea, dizziness, headaches and temporarily blurred vision." Male BB'ers also report mood alterations from time to time, including depression.

Lovadex is widely known to be toxic, go do some reading.

And way to pick on that part but disregard the rest of my post....
 
Haha, thats funny.

I picked the part that had any substance...because basically what your wrote was heresay with no actually backing (i.e, bloodwork)

Those are possible side effects. Go read the side of any medication and you will find they are quite common.

Also, it's Novadex, apparently you are the one that needs to do some reading...
 
magx said:
I'm going to ignore the really a-holish way a few of you guys are going about this and just say this:

I'm almost 2 full weeks into post cycle therapy, and I have already seen my "boys" back to......form, my libido is in order, I have lost about 10lbs of water weight and look leaner now,since I was bloating like a mofo, maintained "on cycle" strength levels, and am feeling pretty good. I was experiencing some lethargy for the first week and a bit but that seems to have disipated.

Again, I have done no SERM PCT's in the past and have been fine, and YES I had bloodwork taken, not because of the compounds b ut due to medical conditions and medication use, but they happened to be in the timeframe where I was able to examine my post PCT levels. All were in the normal range.
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I don't doubt you're bloodwork was fine after a 1-AD cycle w/ no serm, but m1t is probably the most potent steroid out there. That stuff has fvcked many people up in the past so you gotta be careful. Using a serm is definitly your safest bet.
 
It has caused HPTA shutdown in as little as 3 days...its scary stuff. It is something I will never have the displeasure of using.
 
PumpingIron said:
It has caused HPTA shutdown in as little as 3 days...its scary stuff. It is something I will never have the displeasure of using.
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what's the difference if it's shutdown "in as little as" (which of course is the outlier, not the average but you have a purpose here obviously) 3 days, or 7 days? Or even 14 days?

How is shutting down your HPTA any different based on the time it takes to happen? Having it shut down in the first place is the problem.
 
basically what i was saying is that you are going to get shutdown running m1t, not matter how long you run it.

but best of luck to you in the future...
 
magx said:
what's the difference if it's shutdown "in as little as" (which of course is the outlier, not the average but you have a purpose here obviously) 3 days, or 7 days? Or even 14 days?

How is shutting down your HPTA any different based on the time it takes to happen? Having it shut down in the first place is the problem.
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the longer your shutdown the worse and harder it is to recover! :hammer: doesn't anybody read anymore! :study: :frustrate
 
sdmf45 said:
the longer your shutdown the worse and harder it is to recover! :hammer: doesn't anybody read anymore! :study: :frustrate
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ah yes, but the length of cycle is also a factor so it may begin earlier with M1T let's say but if the cycle is shorter than a cycle of another subsrance, then duration of shutdown could be equal.

At any rate, I am not saying that no one should use SERM's, nor am I saying they don't speed HPTA recovery and also aid in blocking Estro induced gyno, what I am saying is I have gone without and others have also, and have done perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I'm pushing this on ppl. Just arguing that it IS fine for some people. And I am willing to bet that a large % of the people who swear by SERM's have not gone without and have no real basis for comparison.
 
magx said:
ah yes, but the length of cycle is also a factor so it may begin earlier with M1T let's say but if the cycle is shorter than a cycle of another subsrance, then duration of shutdown could be equal.

At any rate, I am not saying that no one should use SERM's, nor am I saying they don't speed HPTA recovery and also aid in blocking Estro induced gyno, what I am saying is I have gone without and others have also, and have done perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I'm pushing this on ppl. Just arguing that it IS fine for some people. And I am willing to bet that a large % of the people who swear by SERM's have not gone without and have no real basis for comparison.
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i understand what your saying and i agree with you. some people like myself, PI and others are gonna use SERM's and there are others that won't. when i first did H50 i didn't know any better and all i used was their product Novedex XT, and i did recover but when i learned about serms and used them i recovered way faster.

My goal during PCT, and i'm sure is everyone elses, is to keep as much gains as possible and bring my HPTA back as fast as i can, and SERM's help me do this the best. so it comes down to personal choice and what works for the person.
 
i just wanted to come in here and say thankyou to everyone commenting on whatever level. I have learned a great deal and will take this info to heart.

Hope everyone stays healthy and keep helping each other out!
 
nycste said:
i just wanted to come in here and say thankyou to everyone commenting on whatever level. I have learned a great deal and will take this info to heart.

Hope everyone stays healthy and keep helping each other out!
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good luck!!
 
aswell might be a silly question..but what if u took novadexxt with nolvadex? and still appriciate when i should take my NOLVADEX with m1t and how much? thx
 
jomi822 said:
if you keep just using novedex?

minimal recovery, loss of most of your gains (if not all), and only partial recovery of testiclular size and function....

further down the line after pct you can expect to experience fat gain, ED, more muscle loss, etc
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.. from a halodrol clone like h-drol? lets not scare him too much, thats not that serious of a substance. i used novedex xt for a epistane cycle when it first came out, i kept almost all my gains, i got huge balls, my d1ck is hard as a f*cking rock. and im a muscular mothaf*cka

ta da.

but. USE A SERM!
 
magx said:
Quick Question: Is there a consensus as to how Novedex should be dosed and tapered as part of a PCT?

And should it be taken only at night as stated on the bottle?

Thanks very much.

And yes, I am aware of SERMs, I just want to know about Novedex right now, thanks :)
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I'd like to know the answer to this question also. This thread went off topic real quick.

So...

Is there a consensus as to how Novedex should be dosed and tapered as part of a PCT?

And should it be taken only at night as stated on the bottle?
 
novadex is not a good pct bro. its actually an estrogen blocker. take like sustain alpha then if u wanna use novadex use it or maybe drive
 
From my understanding you want a product that stimulates natural test production and blocks estrogen for a PCT.
 
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