Nothing but a MANIAC!!

GoHardOrGoHme said:
Looks like I can consolidate the list down to beta, creatine, Whey, and vitamin C. I still got some RecoverPro that I use only when i really need that extra recovery.

Fish Oil I have a ton of...and ALCAR i have a good amt of so I should have enough for a bit.

I can add the beta and creatine mono to my pre-workout and post workout doses and keep the amount low since maintenance the body doesnt rely need more then 3-5 grams.

Anything else?
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I think that covers it pretty well. The basics are overlooked by many guys I see on the forums and in my gym. Food and sleep are the most important things, hard,heavy,intensity training, injury prevention is huge!!

you seem to have everything in place from what I see
 
John Smeton said:
I think that covers it pretty well. The basics are overlooked by many guys I see on the forums and in my gym. Food and sleep are the most important things, hard,heavy,intensity training, injury prevention is huge!!

you seem to have everything in place from what I see
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Well considering Im still very new to lifting and the powerlifting game I trying my best to lay a strong foundation. 5 years of total lifting(with the first 1-2 years littered with newbie mistake and a lack of good routines) and 2 years of powerlifting (november will be 2 years since i started squat and deadlift) makes me very much still a novice.
 
punthra said:
Ummmm, a superset of deads and power cleans....You sir are semi insane and a beast!!!
Straight up intense workouts!
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LOL look who is talking. I am just going to start calling you two beast1 and beast2.:)
 
Update:

I feel like I have lost my rhythym with squats....something feels off. I dont know what it is but it's just not there like it used to be. Good work out though.


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I almost quit at this point just b/c i was not feeling it. But I manned up...got a little motivation and hit 1 set to hard set

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New PR....legs feel like jell-o. Now the rest of the week is deload. Im thinking going back to a 3 day a week split. School plus powerlifting 4 days a week may be too much. Im considering cutting it back to 3 so i have more time to rest and recovery.
 
What do you mean by not feeling right??? Lower back, hip flexors, or knees????
 
punthra said:
What do you mean by not feeling right??? Lower back, hip flexors, or knees????
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Right Knee doesnt feel like it's as stable when I hit below parrallel. So i have been keeping everything parrallel or slightly above to prevent injury. I dont feel like I am able to generate the proper amount of power to really hit my legs hard.

Hip flexors are tighter then normal...even though ive been stretching. Lower back is strong.

I tried squating barefoot for the 315...it felt very good. So Im thinking maybe until i get squating shoes, go barefoot.

Its the best leg day Ive had in a while...so hopefully things are turning around.
 
Your going to find stuff like this happens when you play with so much weight, it happens at least once or twice a year for me. Try strengthening your hip flexors with adductor / abductor work and kneeups to put some direct work on the hip flexors.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Update:

I feel like I have lost my rhythym with squats....something feels off. I dont know what it is but it's just not there like it used to be. Good work out though.


350x5
400x3
455x8

I almost quit at this point just b/c i was not feeling it. But I manned up...got a little motivation and hit 1 set to hard set

315x30

New PR....legs feel like jell-o. Now the rest of the week is deload. Im thinking going back to a 3 day a week split. School plus powerlifting 4 days a week may be too much. Im considering cutting it back to 3 so i have more time to rest and recovery.
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What I would give to be off with those numbers!!!
 
So....my at my university they have free Health Assessments that can be done for free. This includes a number of measurements and calculations of your current health.

Im thinking on running this Health Assessment several times (once before, 1-2x during, once at the end) over the next 5 months(planning to run at least 2 consecutive Swole Stacks separated by a 1 month break) to track my progress(unbiasely).

What do you guys think?

It measures everything from fat to max strength. Which I probably wont completely max out b/c when I do my joints and ligaments are pretty torn up and I wont be able to start my 531 right away. I usually need at least 1 week to rest/deload after I max to prevent any injury.
 
Man I have been reading to catch up for 3 days now. Stuff just keeps coming up before i get to the end and came make a valid post. On the entering ketosis and what Berberine does you didn't have it quite right. Here is an excerpt from a write up.

The first ingredient, Berberine HCl, has recently been shown to decrease hemoglobin A1C (measures long-term glycemic control) from an average of 9.5% all the way down to 7.5% in one study, and from 7.5% down to 6.6% in another study (the latter study used less of a dose).This change was comparable to the strong pharmaceutical drug Metformin! Its powerful blood sugar lowering properties come from its ability to translocate GLUT4 (glucose transporters, or as we like to say “Sugar Trucks”) to the surface of your tissues, with an extreme preference to muscle, even in the absence insulin (insulin is the normal way GLUT4 is activated and transported). What does this mean for you? You don’t need as much insulin to get the glucose into your tissues (increased insulin sensitivity). The actions of Berberine don’t stop at glucose disposal. In the same studies, patients with dyslipidemia and Type 2 Diabetes lowered serum cholesterol, triglycerides, and LDL-c by 18%, 35.9%, and 21% respectively. Not only that, but it was also shown to decrease blood pressure and body weight. Because we want our supplement to be the best, we use the same dosage of Berberine (500mg) that the studies used in each serving of GLYCOSOLVE. What more can you ask for in a supplement?

Now what that means is the benefits to low carb dieters are actually increased because the glut 4 activation in the muscle is activated in the absence of insulin. It is one of the few that are not insulin dependant but also increase insulin sensitivity. Ketosis is not a main goal of a low carb diet, lowered blood sugar is. Unless you are working hard at exercise your body will continue burning fats for energy if blood sugar is low. Using berbering helps this I don't have time to look up the study on it but it also deactivated the Glut 4 reaction in fat cells not allowing it to be redeposited. THis leaves more of the fat in the blood stream to be used or exreted in your urine. The NaRALA in your Glycobol will help you get into ketosis more it causes the fat be released from the cell into the blood once again the combination of that and berberine not allowing fat to be redeposited make you once again burn it or excrete it. So you could easily use it to have carbs then get yourself quickly back to a lower blood sugar so the body feeds off of the fat.

On top of doing the exercises Punthra mention do some Seal postion stretches for you rhip flexors and something else to stretch the outer hips. If you are stretching your hamstring more and not the hip / hip flexors then that can create an imbalance pulling your legs into a different position during the squat.
 
Well to add to your post Chris, remember that in the absence of blood sugar the body releases glucagon to activate gluconeogenesis to regulate blood sugar. This is the purpose of a ketosis diet is to induce gluconeogenesis as the main pathway therefore you use B-oxidation of fatty acids to create the 6 ATP necessary to activate the pathway which uses amino acids, glycerol or other constituents that can be converted to pyruvate or other intermediates either in the Citric Acid Cycle or gluconeogenesis itself and it can then be converted to glucose and is excreted from the liver via GLUT2, this enters the blood stream and feeds the muscles and the brain.

Supplementing high on protein and fats allows for the muscle to have the constituents to make new glucose which is then made into a total of 32-38 ATP. But remember the initial input of 6 ATP for gluconeogenesis and then the 2 ATP for glycolysis forces the use more resources to create a similar amount of energy as in a glucose rich diet.


Now as far as how does this relate to lowering blood sugar....well as you so eloquently stated(which is why I love you posts buddy!) Berberine in the FED state will lower blood sugar via activation of GLUT4 and increasing insulin sensitivity. This is great meaning any release intake of Glucose will allow for greater absorption.

Now the question i postulated is that in the absence of glucose(which takes approx 48 hours to deplete glucose stores within the liver) the body will be using gluconeogenesis...can the supplementation of glycobol or other nutrient partitioners incite a release in glucagon(which is released during low blood sugar levels) to allow gluconeogenesis being the primary pathway(or ketosis) faster then the regular 48 hours forcing the body to release more of its stored glucose(in the liver) after a carb-refeed?

I think you gave the affirmative by your post and all the positive feedback of berberine an Na-R-ALA.

And i sometimes hit the seal position stretches...now i realize I need to be more thorough in my warm up stretches and need to start strecting first thing in the morning.
 
The only caveat to that is the fact that the body will use fats already in the blood stream before actually burning the fat on your body which is one reason the that an ingestion of MCT oil will put you into Ketosis so quickly it is burning it from your blood stream and NOT from fat storage. Of course in a caloric deficit even the fats in the diet will not be "enough" energy supply and the fat will have to be leached from adipose tissue. The big benefit with the NaRALA is that it releases fat stores from adipose tissue so it IS in the blood to be burned off. Leaving the body to benefit from the already efficient use of using fat for energy. I am beginning to see the possibility that for increased fat loss AFTER getting your body to burn fat for energy would be to lower your fat intake as well increasing protein from lean sources so the body has to use fats in the adipose tissue for energy increasing the amount of fat being burned that was "attached" to your body and not just what you have eaten. I can see doing this with possible an MCT Oil load every week or two just to reassert that we want energy from the fat as the predominant source of energy utilized.

Just something else to ponder but I would think it would be of great benefit and anabolically more sound while losing weight.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Well to add to your post Chris, remember that in the absence of blood sugar the body releases glucagon to activate gluconeogenesis to regulate blood sugar. This is the purpose of a ketosis diet is to induce gluconeogenesis as the main pathway therefore you use B-oxidation of fatty acids to create the 6 ATP necessary to activate the pathway which uses amino acids, glycerol or other constituents that can be converted to pyruvate or other intermediates either in the Citric Acid Cycle or gluconeogenesis itself and it can then be converted to glucose and is excreted from the liver via GLUT2, this enters the blood stream and feeds the muscles and the brain.

Supplementing high on protein and fats allows for the muscle to have the constituents to make new glucose which is then made into a total of 32-38 ATP. But remember the initial input of 6 ATP for gluconeogenesis and then the 2 ATP for glycolysis forces the use more resources to create a similar amount of energy as in a glucose rich diet.


Now as far as how does this relate to lowering blood sugar....well as you so eloquently stated(which is why I love you posts buddy!) Berberine in the FED state will lower blood sugar via activation of GLUT4 and increasing insulin sensitivity. This is great meaning any release intake of Glucose will allow for greater absorption.

Now the question i postulated is that in the absence of glucose(which takes approx 48 hours to deplete glucose stores within the liver) the body will be using gluconeogenesis...can the supplementation of glycobol or other nutrient partitioners incite a release in glucagon(which is released during low blood sugar levels) to allow gluconeogenesis being the primary pathway(or ketosis) faster then the regular 48 hours forcing the body to release more of its stored glucose(in the liver) after a carb-refeed?

I think you gave the affirmative by your post and all the positive feedback of berberine an Na-R-ALA.

And i sometimes hit the seal position stretches...now i realize I need to be more thorough in my warm up stretches and need to start strecting first thing in the morning.
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you have been doing your homework on insulin mimickers I see. I ve done it over and over, I still have a bit I don't understand. I understand them on a crude level and very basic level
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
I think you gave the affirmative by your post and all the positive feedback of berberine an Na-R-ALA.
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Yes definitely. One thing to remember also is the liver holds about 100g of glycogen which is typically put out in a burst when the body needs it causing another insulin spike further shuttling those nutrients into the muscle and once again lowering blood sugar, to add to that with berberine would be effective but when how you would time that specifically to when your liver will release said glycogen I do not know. I can say definitely that what you proposed would probably help you burn a greater amount of fat however I don't know for sure if you will get to a point you have excess unburned ketones to be able to measure ketosis.
 
John Smeton said:
you have been doing your homework on insulin mimickers I see. I ve done it over and over, I still have a bit I don't understand. I understand them on a crude level and very basic level
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Actually....ive been doing my homework in biochemistry. I would say the vast majority of what i am postulated/stating is coming from my biochem class. And especially since my biochem class is designed to be as related to the health feild as possible....im pretty much going over all the pathways involved in many supplements.

Once I have finished earning my Masters degree i should be far more well versed in all these little pathways. Im still just starting out
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Actually....ive been doing my homework in biochemistry. I would say the vast majority of what i am postulated/stating is coming from my biochem class. And especially since my biochem class is designed to be as related to the health feild as possible....im pretty much going over all the pathways involved in many supplements.

Once I have finished earning my Masters degree i should be far more well versed in all these little pathways. Im still just starting out
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It is already over my head LOL.
 
pembroke3355 said:
It is already over my head LOL.
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This is NOTHIN!! lol just imagine once i get my M.D. or D.O.!! Then I can really throw down some science! Till then the 101 basics will have to do
 
I sit back and watch as the student becomes the teacher. I knew this was coming, and will be coming to you for advice soon on this stuff. Since I know you will be getting the knowledge to help me. ;)
 
MrKleen73 said:
I sit back and watch as the student becomes the teacher. I knew this was coming, and will be coming to you for advice soon on this stuff. Since I know you will be getting the knowledge to help me. ;)
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Hellz yeah!! Heck whats the point of having knowledge if not to share it! Heck ill pump you so full of facts you'll gain an inch on your arms by knowledge alone!! The knowledge pump!!!
 
pembroke3355 said:
The 101 basics are fine for me.:)
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agreed. Bodybuilders may or may not know what high level educated word guys say on paper exactly or write the articles , and they may as well;however, Bodybuilders possess more knowledge because they actually did the work.

I would rather take advice fro Mr. Olympia than a guy who is 180 lbs , doesn't know what its like to train, but has the latest research. Ive seen so more bs , like the body can only take in 30 grams protein at a time.

always consider the source are you going to listen to the buck fifty writer for flex that uses pictures to promote his research or personally going to Listen to Mr. O or a competitive bodybuilder.Thats not to say research and high level education is not useful it sure is, however bodybuilding defy s a lot of logic. so yeah Ill let the guy saying 30 grams protein can only be absorbed be right and Ill take in 60 grams a meal and be wrong(and be bigger)

you are definitely on the right track Andre in this area from what I see. My point is a lot of research studies if you dont look into the context of them can be misleading and if you follow them can inhibit muscle gains.
 
John Smeton said:
agreed. Bodybuilders may or may not know what high level educated word guys say on paper exactly or write the articles , and they may as well;however, Bodybuilders possess more knowledge because they actually did the work.

I would rather take advice fro Mr. Olympia than a guy who is 180 lbs , doesn't know what its like to train, but has the latest research. Ive seen so more bs , like the body can only take in 30 grams protein at a time.

always consider the source are you going to listen to the buck fifty writer for flex that uses pictures to promote his research or personally going to Listen to Mr. O or a competitive bodybuilder.Thats not to say research and high level education is not useful it sure is, however bodybuilding defy s a lot of logic. so yeah Ill let the guy saying 30 grams protein can only be absorbed be right and Ill take in 60 grams a meal and be wrong(and be bigger)

you are definitely on the right track Andre in this area from what I see. My point is a lot of research studies if you dont look into the context of them can be misleading and if you follow them can inhibit muscle gains.
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I get alot of great help from the guys at the gym. I know which ones are there all the time and are beasts LOL.
 
You are absolutely right. There needs to be a defining line in what is good sports science and bad sports science. But non-the-less bodybuilding, powerlifting, and athletic performance is a science. It is a science that is supported everyday by Iron and futhered by the lab.

Like you said....you have to strain some of the pencil neck theories through the blood and guts of the iron world. Lot of them just dont pan out. There are some basics to hold true like the overall mechanism of a healthy body that certain supplements take advantage of (GDA, creatine, testboosters, thermogenics, etc) and to know these mechanisms will greatly help ones overall progress.

In the end it's always hard work first.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
You are absolutely right. There needs to be a defining line in what is good sports science and bad sports science. But non-the-less bodybuilding, powerlifting, and athletic performance is a science. It is a science that is supported everyday by Iron and futhered by the lab.

Like you said....you have to strain some of the pencil neck theories through the blood and guts of the iron world. Lot of them just dont pan out. There are some basics to hold true like the overall mechanism of a healthy body that certain supplements take advantage of (GDA, creatine, testboosters, thermogenics, etc) and to know these mechanisms will greatly help ones overall progress.

In the end it's always hard work first.
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Very well put.
 
Wait a minute I have to work hard... I thought I could just take a pill. In Cartman's voice "Screw this crap, I'm outta here!"

I agree if the context of a study is not specific to your situation it doesn't always hold merit in practice. So far I haven't really seen to many studies done on body builders. I don't think there is any lack of hard work with any of the AI team. You guys are top notch!
 
By the way thanks for the kind words in my announcement about seperating from LG.
 
MrKleen73 said:
By the way thanks for the kind words in my announcement about seperating from LG.
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The kind words where well deserved. You know I support you all the way buddy.
 
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