I use to think that until I started seeing these $200 test booster stacks being logged. Its not about money as much as its about people seeing a creatine as "cheap." So anything with creatine in it should be cheap.
simple math says the 5 serv. 100ct formulas have more actives than the 3 ser 60 ct formulas...thats the only reason they went to 100ct. The only one that seems like less looking at the sup facts is TTE because the label is wrong, it should say something like 1006mg per 2 caps, not 503mg or what ever it says.
yeah, but then who the hell buys sizeone and celltech? and how do you get them to start buying NOS Ether instead?
This is it. Sad but true.
That's pretty much where I am. In all honesty I buy bulk creatine mono, and had believed that once your pretty saturated, unless there's that many other ingredients in another creatine-based product you won't see any significant gains.Honestly a kilo of creatine mono is like 14 bucks these days. And I could care less about NO products.
I would never buy it no offense.
Coq diesel is a different story....there are more important purposes for that.
Ok, the TTE I thought 2 caps was only aprox 500mg. Glad to hear GD didnt do what I thought it had done. Sorry for the confusion, looks like I'll still be a GD customer after all.
very true, not clout or size-on, or even thunder gave me the pumps or the strength Ether does.
Im doing that this summer under a different company name I plan on starting, NOS ETHER is just for people who train at another level. I for one train at over 80% max every single workout with alot of drop sets and supersets on everything, last night after squats I did one leg, leg exts 20 reps one let, 20 reps next leg, for 100 reps each set so I will know that its NOS ETHER or nothing. I cant do that on a "noxplode" type product. Also when I formulated ETHER, mono didnt work as well as kre-alk in the formula....believe me there is no reason I would use a creatine that cost 55/kg for no reason. Mono is $5/kg.
Ohh, I was definitely planning on trying that combo next.
banaba is shown to reduce blood sugar but now below normal.
other than that do you get a really bad bloat? ? im intrested on NOS ether but dont want to get it and get a really bad bloat from it. Also hows the flavor ? ? ? my last tub of size on i ended up giving it to my training partner with only a few scoops taken out cause i got really sick of the flavor really fast.
Sorry to hear you're off the diet.
agreed about the taste.Actually Chuck... NOS ETHER tastes like PUKE...
Thats the only negative I can say! LOL
Sizeon was OK, I would mix it with 40g of bcaax xtend and freeze it, drink during work out.
Ive come off 6 weeks of SIZEON and currently on NOS ETHER, will be interesting to see if strength goes up or down.. or stays the same or what happens!!
I noticed good pumps off it already!
Agreed, the taste isn't the greatest. Personally i mix my scoops with some watered down orange juice and it works just fine for me.
the phosphates mostly, anything with a high ph will make you dump if you need to dump.
yeah there is a new bottle and design and taste (for the candy asses) with the next run:
:rofl: Keep it Chuck I really want to try it. I guess I could order it from somewhere other than NP:sad:
I dont want a better NO product....
Yeah thats pretty much alot of it. People dont believe in kre-alk eventhough whats weird is no one has ever asked or mentioned anything about mag. creatine chelate....its like they dont even see that on the ingredients, they just see kre-alk. Im not a big "over board" with the packaging person. The problem with a name change is people have known it as NOS ETHER since 2005.This sounds like a branding problem to me. I think you're right on the money when you mention that the name "NOS ETHER" may be part of the problem. To me it sounds like a basic NO2/CEE product. Only upon further inspection did I see that it has a very interesting blend of components.
Also, Kre-Alk has received a lot of bad buzz lately and the arguements that I've seen always end with the detractors having the last word. As a result, I imagine the more informed consumers may be turned off, whereas the less informed consumers are confused/alienated by the name itself. In this case people who think it's a standard NO/CEE hybrid product are likely put off by the price and the availibility of other products in this vein from names like Cell-Tech and BSN.
Personally, I never tried NOS ETHER since I've been happily using other well-reputed creatine products for a long time (Cre-Ethyl Thunder, Clout, NeoVar). Another reason is that I tried Diesel Test a long time ago (when it came in the yellow bottle w/big red pills) and it made me **** my brains out, which, to be honest, made me apprehensive of Get Diesel products.
However, I do appreciate your approach and the fact that you actually look like someone who's lifted a few weights in his day. I always have a hard time buying products or taking advice from people who don't look like they practice what they preach or use what they sell.
I would be happy to give NOS ETHER a run since my focus is primarily strength/power/performance. I'd love to pack on lean mass as well but only to increase those characteristics, not simply for cosmetic purposes. I can't fathom how anyone can say something like "I want to be big but I don't care about strength". In my book the whole purpose of being big and ripped is to maximize performance.
Anyway, my advice is that you do a slight reformulation and then re-introduce the product under a new name that better communicates its status as a high-level proprietary blend that you claim to dramatically increase strength and power.
You may also want to consider doing several different bottle designers and branding strategies in different verticals that would respond to a product like this. Powerlifting, Football, and Mixed Martial Arts immediately come to mind but there are obviously many others as well.
My background is in product development and marketing. One of the things we always stress to our clients is that they tailor their products to address the needs of underserved niche markets. With so many supplements being marketed as general performance enhancers, I think this is a strategy that could work. You just need to identify affordable venues for reaching your target audience. You can start inexpensively to prove the model and find out which niches convert best by running some Google AdWords campaigns. Thanks to Google, it's cheaper and faster than ever to test theories like this with an appropriately sized real-world audience sample.
Good luck. If you end up making millions from this advice, send me a free tub of NOS ETHER
If you can afford to do it, I would seriously experiment in marketing the same formula to different audiences with different packaging/names. See what works best and build on that.
Here is the deal, ETHER is formulated for people who train for the max. strength gains possible, where strength is important to them. Like powerlifters, football players, baseball etc.,.
Well then toss the aakg out all together if u dont want NO, aakg is dam near worthless if not in high enough doses. I would try l-carnitine-arginase I think it would be better for strenght and power.:duel:
First, there is no A-AKG in NOS ETHER. Nothing in ETHER can be called "worthless." A supplement isnt just slap this with that or "try" this because it "might" be better. Im not asking questions about the formulation....if people are calling it the best strength product they have ever used, Im good with that.
yes but less bicarbonates, I meant to say I think it was the K/Na Bicarbonate because the first version out ETHER in 2005 had phosphates and it didnt disolve well at all but it didnt cause any stomach distress......but this version has more herbs and herbs are alkaline and will give some people stomach distress when they drink them.
I dont formulate products to make them "cheaper." I make the best products possible and whatever they cost thats what they cost. At todays cost of supplements $40 isnt expensive for NOS ETHER unless you just see it as "creatine."
Ok.. then don't do it to make it cheaper, but do it for us that prefer MONO, and make it less expensive in the process.
