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Non-Stim Fat Burners

Slims

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I'm looking for a good non stim fat burner to to help me stay lean/get leaner on my current recomp.
I've narrowed it down to...
PES' Shift
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Driven Sports' Lean Xtreme
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Both have lots of great reviews
Both contain Forskolin
Both are £30

Reps for reponses, reviews, recommendations and experiences ;)
 
I was going to say forskolin 95, but this version of SHIFT is comprehensive. Its a great product. You cannot go wrong. forskolin can be a bit rough on the stomach on some folks, but if this happens, its usually only for a few days. PES uses pure extracts....so no worries on quality.
 
Check out Keto Burn from mr. Supps

There's some logs up and running here now also.
 
justhere4comm said:
Veinquish has Forskolin 50mg and 7-keto DHEA.
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And fucoxanthin. Which has some promising data behind it on Examine.

I bought a bottle of this recently because I liked the profile. In fact I view it more as a "metabolism optimiser". Time will tell how true that is because many of the components are geared toward long term benefits and not acute effects, but I'm pretty optimistic about it.
 
Slims said:
I'm looking for a good non stim fat burner to to help me stay lean/get leaner on my current recomp.
I've narrowed it down to...
PES' Shift
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And

Driven Sports' Lean Xtreme
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Both have lots of great reviews
Both contain Forskolin
Both are £30

Reps for reponses, reviews, recommendations and experiences ;)
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Not sure what they are calling that 5-AT since that nomenclature makes little to no sense. lol Are they trying to say androstanetriol? 3,7,17 triol?

I am excited to try out that Fireball by Top Secret. I took 4 shots and sweat for 4 hours, it was pretty cool.
 
Technically shift is not stim free fyi. I like the profile, however the Synephrine gave me headaches.

DCP, Brite, Epitome, and SuperNova from Evomuse are all good too.

Anything with F95 is good too.

A product like SlinMax taken before high carb meals is helpful too. I like SlinMax, AlphaMax XT, Brite, and SuperNova stacked.

SNS makes a handful of good non stims as well.
 
jtmass said:
How about Assass1nate from OL..
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This and shift are both top notch. Both much better than lean extreme and I have used all 3 products.
 
Evomuse Supernova.. by far, hands down the best
Formutech 7-Keto DHEA is freakin awesome to.. love it
 
EricMarchewitz said:
Not sure what they are calling that 5-AT since that nomenclature makes little to no sense. lol Are they trying to say androstanetriol? 3,7,17 triol?

I am excited to try out that Fireball by Top Secret. I took 4 shots and sweat for 4 hours, it was pretty cool.
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Apparently it's DHEA, which I think is supposed to be the hormone optimization it talks about in the description.

cubsfan815 said:
Technically shift is not stim free fyi. I like the profile, however the Synephrine gave me headaches.

DCP, Brite, Epitome, and SuperNova from Evomuse are all good too.

Anything with F95 is good too.

A product like SlinMax taken before high carb meals is helpful too. I like SlinMax, AlphaMax XT, Brite, and SuperNova stacked.
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The UK version of Shift is stim free as it doesn't contain Synephrine.
I'm a big SlinMax fan and I use it pretty much all year round.
 
Like others have said you can't go wrong with PES Shift. I've used it many times and have had great results.
 
Angrypolak said:
And fucoxanthin. Which has some promising data behind it on Examine.

I bought a bottle of this recently because I liked the profile. In fact I view it more as a "metabolism optimiser". Time will tell how true that is because many of the components are geared toward long term benefits and not acute effects, but I'm pretty optimistic about it.
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Yes! It's definitely a more long-term effect product.
 
Out of those two I'd advise you to go with Shift. I can't say how well it works as a stand-alone, because I ran it alongside other things on both of my runs, but PES are a solid and reliable company and they make legit supps. Also the standardization of the Forskolin is higher in Shift than it is in the Lean Xtreme 95% vs 40%
 
EricMarchewitz said:
Forskolin plus Fucoxanthin was always an effective stack for me.
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cubsfan815 said:
I am also a fan of F95 combined with Fucoxanthin. Great stuff!
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Would the amount of Fucoxanthin found in 400mg of brown seaweed extract be enough to reap the fat loss effects? The reason I ask is because brown seaweed contains a lot of iodine too, which is good for increasing metabolism. So I'd get two fat loss supplements in one?
 
A few other options for you from SNS taht cover some unique bases:

Lean Edge - comprehensive non-stim
TTA-500 - very unique MOA and stackable with just about anything
Thyrocaps - thyroid stimulator
Reduce XT - more of a cortisol control product but contains the ingredient that was in the OG DS Lean Xtreme that was so popular for its effectiveness. Especially useful for late in a cut (or during high stress/high stim periods)

Some other bulk ingredients that can be added to any of the above or stacked with other products:
Alpha Yohimbine - targets stubborn fat, none of the normal yhcl stim issues
Green Coffee Bean Extract
RK-125 or 500 - very mild stim (my gf who can only use very very mild stims due to medical issues uses)
SYN-30 - again, very mild stim (same as is in Shift)
Agmatine XT - nutrient partitioning and pumps - not directly a fat loss product but certainly helpful as a cheap GDA type (could also look at Glycophase for a true GDA)
 
bigsmall said:
I was going to say forskolin 95, but this version of SHIFT is comprehensive. Its a great product. You cannot go wrong. forskolin can be a bit rough on the stomach on some folks, but if this happens, its usually only for a few days. PES uses pure extracts....so no worries on quality.
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Afi140 said:
This and shift are both top notch. Both much better than lean extreme and I have used all 3 products.
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LeanEngineer said:
Like others have said you can't go wrong with PES Shift. I've used it many times and have had great results.
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Would there be any additional fat burning/metabolism boosting effects if I took Shift 30-40 minutes before a meal? Olive leaf extract is supposed to increase thyroid activity, which should, in theory, increase the metabolic rate...
 
InItForGainz said:
Would there be any additional fat burning/metabolism boosting effects if I took Shift 30-40 minutes before a meal? Olive leaf extract is supposed to increase thyroid activity, which should, in theory, increase the metabolic rate...
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Not sure, but you could experiment. What it came down to for me was that forskolin was sometimes hard on my stomach or made it extra sensitive to other things like stims, certain foods - so to use it for 'a cycle' - I needed to take it with food. I know this does not answer your question, but it may end up being like this for you.
 
bigsmall said:
Not sure, but you could experiment. What it came down to for me was that forskolin was sometimes hard on my stomach or made it extra sensitive to other things like stims, certain foods - so to use it for 'a cycle' - I needed to take it with food. I know this does not answer your question, but it may end up being like this for you.
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Was is a 95% extract, F95, or a lower extract? Sometimes the higher extract will alleviate GI distress or lessen the affect of GI distress. This is why OxyMax XT and PES use F95. Some people still get GI distress from F95 and cannot use the ingredient and some do not get distress from any form of the extract. It is one of those funny ingredients that we all need to try to see how we respond. I do enjoy it from a cutting aspect though and would add it to any non stim product that does not contain it.

Forskolin increases metabolism, burns fat, breaks down triglycerides, and increases lean-body mass
The thyroid stimulating strength of forskolin has been compared to TSH (thyrotropin). Thyroid hormone levels are important for leanness.
Forskolin has increased total testosterone by 16% in male subjects during a 12-week trial.
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Fat Mass:  The colforsin group lost 4.52 kilograms (9,94 pounds) of fat, plus or minus 5.74 kilograms, while the placebo group lost only 0.51 kilograms (1.12 pounds), plus or minus 1.91 kilograms.
Lean Body Mass:  The colforsin group gained 3.71 kilograms of lean body mass (8.162 pounds), plus or minus 4.07 kilograms, while the placebo group gained 1.57 kilograms (3.45 pounds), plus or minus 2.56 kilograms.
Testosterone:  The Testosterone of the colforsin group rose 33.7 percent, while it decreased 18.35 percent in the placebo group.
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The total body weight of a mixed group of men and women in a 12-week study decreased from 74.7 kilograms to 73.5 kilograms while experiencing increases in lean body mass (without weight training).
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AntM1564 said:
Was is a 95% extract, F95, or a lower extract? Sometimes the higher extract will alleviate GI distress or lessen the affect of GI distress. This is why OxyMax XT and PES use F95. Some people still get GI distress from F95 and cannot use the ingredient and some do not get distress from any form of the extract. It is one of those funny ingredients that we all need to try to see how we respond. I do enjoy it from a cutting aspect though and would add it to any non stim product that does not contain it.



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I was referring to F95 - it still gives me some irritation - some days better than others. Thanks for the info
 
booneman77 said:
A few other options for you from SNS taht cover some unique bases:

Lean Edge - comprehensive non-stim
TTA-500 - very unique MOA and stackable with just about anything
Thyrocaps - thyroid stimulator
Reduce XT - more of a cortisol control product but contains the ingredient that was in the OG DS Lean Xtreme that was so popular for its effectiveness. Especially useful for late in a cut (or during high stress/high stim periods)

Some other bulk ingredients that can be added to any of the above or stacked with other products:
Alpha Yohimbine - targets stubborn fat, none of the normal yhcl stim issues
Green Coffee Bean Extract
RK-125 or 500 - very mild stim (my gf who can only use very very mild stims due to medical issues uses)
SYN-30 - again, very mild stim (same as is in Shift)
Agmatine XT - nutrient partitioning and pumps - not directly a fat loss product but certainly helpful as a cheap GDA type (could also look at Glycophase for a true GDA)
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Serious Nutrition Solutions is your go to company for bulk ingredients at cost effective prices.
 
Androshredz interests me, anyone used it?

ASSASS1NATE & LIPOMORPH I recommend, I enjoyed both and will buy again.
 
Slims said:
thebigt is currently running AndroShred.

How was Assass1nate? Most noteable benefits?
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Well I don't think I've ever taken anything, and been like "OMG". It's natural, so expectations are low.

By the end of the run, I felt leaner. I'm not sure if I lost weight, but slowly i've been recomping over the last 12 months. Hard to gauge results, unless they're drastic.
 
Slims said:
OL's Sup3r-Shred still interests me for sure. It's just a brand new ingredient/formula and doesn't have a lot of reviews or mentions yet
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Sup3r-Shred works by changing the body's fuel preference to lipids rather than glucose. The biggest noticeable benefit is probably increased endurance. I've also heard people say they sweat a ton on it, and of course it should have benefits for body fat reduction.

Slims said:
How was Assass1nate? Most noteable benefits?
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Assass1nate is way more complex, and personally if I could only pick one of our non-stim burners, this would be it. Don't get me wrong, Sup3r-Shred is very solid, and certainly has many big fans, especially people who want a natural alternative to Cardarine, but Assass1nate is so comprehensive (and if you have money to burn, stacks well with Sup3r-Shred too). This one targets fat loss through a number of different pathways, and also has GDA properties. IMO it's easily one of the best natural non-stim burners on the market.
 
VO2Maxima said:
Sup3r-Shred works by changing the body's fuel preference to lipids rather than glucose. The biggest noticeable benefit is probably increased endurance. I've also heard people say they sweat a ton on it, and of course it should have benefits for body fat reduction.


Assass1nate is way more complex, and personally if I could only pick one of our non-stim burners, this would be it. Don't get me wrong, Sup3r-Shred is very solid, and certainly has many big fans, especially people who want a natural alternative to Cardarine, but Assass1nate is so comprehensive (and if you have money to burn, stacks well with Sup3r-Shred too). This one targets fat loss through a number of different pathways, and also has GDA properties. IMO it's easily one of the best natural non-stim burners on the market.
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Thank you for responding.
Reps are are on recharge.
 
AdelV said:
Androshredz interests me, anyone used it?

ASSASS1NATE & LIPOMORPH I recommend, I enjoyed both and will buy again.
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there are several logs on androshred....effective product that lasts a really long time...lots of bang for the buck, imo.

never used the other two...
 
VO2Maxima said:
Sup3r-Shred works by changing the body's fuel preference to lipids rather than glucose. The biggest noticeable benefit is probably increased endurance. I've also heard people say they sweat a ton on it, and of course it should have benefits for body fat reduction.


Assass1nate is way more complex, and personally if I could only pick one of our non-stim burners, this would be it. Don't get me wrong, Sup3r-Shred is very solid, and certainly has many big fans, especially people who want a natural alternative to Cardarine, but Assass1nate is so comprehensive (and if you have money to burn, stacks well with Sup3r-Shred too). This one targets fat loss through a number of different pathways, and also has GDA properties. IMO it's easily one of the best natural non-stim burners on the market.
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So SS is opposite of GW?
 
AdelV said:
Well I don't think I've ever taken anything, and been like "OMG". It's natural, so expectations are low.

By the end of the run, I felt leaner. I'm not sure if I lost weight, but slowly i've been recomping over the last 12 months. Hard to gauge results, unless they're drastic.
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Vote for androshred right here...

logged it and was very happy with the results
vasularity +++
dryness+++
easy application+++
 
VO2Maxima said:
No, Sup3r-Shred is a PPAR-delta activator that shares structural similarity with GW. However, unlike GW, is naturally occurring.
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But GW increased glucose uptake to skeletal muscles if I remember correctly. Can it also change preferred fuel source towards lipids at the same time.?
That's what was making me confused.
 
booneman77 said:
A few other options for you from SNS taht cover some unique bases:

Lean Edge - comprehensive non-stim
TTA-500 - very unique MOA and stackable with just about anything
Thyrocaps - thyroid stimulator
Reduce XT - more of a cortisol control product but contains the ingredient that was in the OG DS Lean Xtreme that was so popular for its effectiveness. Especially useful for late in a cut (or during high stress/high stim periods)

Some other bulk ingredients that can be added to any of the above or stacked with other products:
Alpha Yohimbine - targets stubborn fat, none of the normal yhcl stim issues
Green Coffee Bean Extract
RK-125 or 500 - very mild stim (my gf who can only use very very mild stims due to medical issues uses)
SYN-30 - again, very mild stim (same as is in Shift)
Agmatine XT - nutrient partitioning and pumps - not directly a fat loss product but certainly helpful as a cheap GDA type (could also look at Glycophase for a true GDA)
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TTA-500 is my all time favorite non stim fat burner.

Also, Reduce XT is superior to Lean Xtreme for cortisol control.
 
rowz4broz said:
Vote for androshred right here...

logged it and was very happy with the results
vasularity +++
dryness+++
easy application+++
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I've just started AndroShred, (About a week in).
How much did you dose?
How were you dosing?
And
What were your most noteable benefits/results from your run?
 
AdelV said:
Well I don't think I've ever taken anything, and been like "OMG". It's natural, so expectations are low.

By the end of the run, I felt leaner. I'm not sure if I lost weight, but slowly i've been recomping over the last 12 months. Hard to gauge results, unless they're drastic.
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How was the appetite suppression with Assass1nate ?
 
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