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Non stim fat burner

Anything from the Evomuse line gets lots of love.

Topical 7-Keto also gets a lot of love.

Super 11 from OL if you want to go the hormonal route.
 
SNS TTA-500 and OL assassinate. Also some forskolin. If you’re Smart you can find forskolin for relatively cheap
 
AntM1564 said:
Anything from the Evomuse line gets lots of love.

Topical 7-Keto also gets a lot of love.

Super 11 from OL if you want to go the hormonal route.
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Might be a silly question, but since 7-Keto is a metabolite of DHEA, can it convert to estrogen and can it affect the prostate?
 
AntM1564 said:
Anything from the Evomuse line gets lots of love.

Topical 7-Keto also gets a lot of love.

Super 11 from OL if you want to go the hormonal route.
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I would like a discussion on Super 11. What is it for? do you need PCT?
 
bb333 said:
I would like a discussion on Super 11. What is it for? do you need PCT?
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11-Keto is more potent than most realize. I would not recommend running without a PCT.

11-keto is an great leaning pro hormone, stacks well and is non-methylated...there's a lot of information out there.

bb333 said:
it is not exaggerated to lower cortisol a lot? dcp + invictus
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As far as I'm aware, DCP does nothing to manage cortisol...so stacking with Invictus shouldn't have concern.
 
Pretty much agree with IconicForm on everything. DCP does not target cortisol. Evomuse Ammo targets cortisol, and it is VERY strong. Honestly, I think it is incredibly under rated for this. I've repeated my experience on here a few times, but here it is again.

I've run 11-Keto extensively and this compound is touted as being a powerful cortisol suppressor. I've run 11-Keto at up to 1 gram per day transdermally. At one point I was taking 450 mg about 30-60 minutes before bed and the enhanced sleep was very noticeable. This was one of the "big" acute effects I've noticed when I reduce cortisol and 450 mg is about 5.5X the dose that some products use daily - I was taking in 1 dose.

I've taken Ammo as recommended, but at 2 caps pre-bed (2x the recommended dose of Ammo) the sleep was extremely similar to 450 mg of 11-KT. Now, there are hormonal effects of 11-KT beyond just cortisol, etc. and I'm not making a direct comparison that 2X the dose of Ammo = 5+X the dose of 11-KT, no way. I can't even say the cortisol effects are directly similar - I don't have blood work - but the experience was similar and I doubt any other product on the market can make that claim.

If you use 11-KT, as IconicForm points out - you really should have a PCT ready to go, even if you don't think you need it.

I am a big fan of 7-Keto DHEA also - it can be run solo without much worry and is effective and I would also recommend it as part of a PCT for 11-KT although it's not necessary.
 
Is DCP ever going to be available again? I can’t remember ever seeing it in stock. If it’s that effective then I would think they’d prioritize on getting it back out there?
 
SNS lean edge and TTA-500 are both great stim free options. as well, Reduce XT (while not an actual fat loss product) seems to help immensly in long cuts due to the fact that cortisol builds as your stress goes up. It can also help with hunger and cravings via that same MOA.

Evomuse topicals are also great finishers to polish up those last few weeks
 
Wildcat528 said:
Is DCP ever going to be available again? I can’t remember ever seeing it in stock. If it’s that effective then I would think they’d prioritize on getting it back out there?
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It's in production right now, and should be done soon.
 
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