Non-SERM PCT

TheCannon

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I can't seem to find "SERM"s and I have read they are sorta border line and I dont want to go there. What's the best stack for "100% legal" PCT options, and how should I take it?
 
sustain alpha, reversitol, pct assist ,novadex xt and 6-oxo or you could just get a serm like clomid or nolvadex
 
I will be using sustain alpha, post cycle support, l3c, and endoamp during my hdrol cycle next month for a legal pct.

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mikeyb123 said:
What have you taken to need a PCT?
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That's an important question! The PCT depends on the compound used beforehand. I3C/DIM are helpful for estrogen control, or you can just use an Aromatase inhibitor. You probably want to control cortisol; either 7-OH DHEA like in Invalid Link Removed, extra vitamin C, or via Phosphatidyl Serine found in Invalid Link Removed. A test booster can also be useful; pick your own favourite, DTH, Stoked etc. L-Dopa to keep PRL low, improve sleep and boost test can also be useful. Lastly the actions of the 7,8-benzoflavone and resveratrol found in Invalid Link Removed have proven to be very useful in PCT (Or even apart from hormonals as I've used it the past few months).
 
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Good reading material and it seems to be covering as many bases as possible without using a true SERM.
 
Honestly I think PCT is almost more important than the cycle. To borrow a crude expression from a female friend of mine - when I was dumb, young, and full of cum - I ran a Sustanon 250 cycle with NO PCT and by the grace of god I didn't develop gyno and eventually recovered but for like 6 months I couldn't get a decent workout, lost all my gains, put on like 50 lbs. of fat. It was totally useless to run the cycle without PCT. Now I run the most stringent PCT with all my cycles. I always include as a baseline - Post cycle support, Toco-8, EndoAmp, 6-oxo, Lean Extreme, and Sustain Alpha. I have yet to run a cycle without doing Nolvadex 60mg wk.1, 40mg wk.2, 20mg wk.3, 10mg wk.4 and clomid 100mg wk.1, 50mg wk.2, 25mg wk.3. Depending on what I'm taking I also sometimes throw into the mix 1000i.u. M/W/F for the last 2 weeks on the cycle and first week of PCT of HCG. Doing it this way I have seen myself continue to gain during PCT, maintain lean muscle mass, libido, and aggression. I wouldn't do it any other way now but depending on what you are running you might be able to get away with OTC stuff.
 
Arent SERMS illegal to buy though? And after searching for buying Nolvadex. Only thing I could find is genaric stuff made in India. Not sure if I would want to be taking that. Also would have to come through customs, not sure how that whole thing works.

I to would like to start my first cycle soon. Contemplating trying Havoc. But I need to figure out PCT first. PM me or post here pls. Sorry if threadjack, but think its along the same lines your asking.
 
for havoc
use the otcpct thread
i suggest DIM instead of i3c
use a test booster like dthc, prime, alpha male
4g fenugreek
500mg calcium d glucarate
milk thistle (80% extract) or some liver care, liv 52, liver Xsorb
hawthorne berries (extract form) if blood pressure problems
creatine, fish oils, multi (staple supps)
 
also reversitol looks good
the trans resveratrol in it looks promising
and the 6 bromo and atd are proven
 
Thanks for that link luckykid - some good info there. Should get me a good start on what all ill be needing. Sounds like Havoc isnt as extreme as some of the other anabolic compounds. So that might be a good start for me.
 
Trinstop said:
Arent SERMS illegal to buy though? And after searching for buying Nolvadex. Only thing I could find is genaric stuff made in India. Not sure if I would want to be taking that. Also would have to come through customs, not sure how that whole thing works.

I to would like to start my first cycle soon. Contemplating trying Havoc. But I need to figure out PCT first. PM me or post here pls. Sorry if threadjack, but think its along the same lines your asking.
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Havoc pct with serm

Nolva 20/20/10/10 weeks 1-4 of pct

Post Cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m. weeks 3-6 of pct.



Havoc pct with no serm

Post Cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m. and IBE Formex as directed.

SERMS can be obtained for research purposes.
 
Hi all, is 6-Bromodione a natural substance? Or just found in legal PCT supps? Will it be detected and deemed illegal in a urine test for a bb contest?>
 
supershah said:
Hi all, is 6-Bromodione a natural substance? Or just found in legal PCT supps? Will it be detected and deemed illegal in a urine test for a bb contest?>
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I cannot honestly answer that as I am not sure what is on the banned list for your BB contest.
 
You could use Primordial's Sustain Alpha to minimize shutdown during the cycle and follow up with a really conservative dose of an AI such as 25-50mg of Formex (or transdermal formestane @ 100mg/day), or 300-600mg of 6-oxo/trione, or use 10mg of ATD for about 30 days.

If you use something like the Testosterone Recovery Stack from PP during a mild/moderate cycle, you probably won't be shutdown much at all and you could save yourself the trouble of PCT.
 
so is hyperdrol X2 considered a ph, or can it be used as a PCT? Ive read that it CAN be used in a PCT cycle since it boosts test naturally after a cycle. True? Hyperdrol X2 contains 6-bromo ..
 
TheCannon said:
I can't seem to find "SERM"s and I have read they are sorta border line and I dont want to go there. What's the best stack for "100% legal" PCT options, and how should I take it?
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the 100% way to run a correct PCT would to have a SERM.
and u can find them
 
supershah said:
so is hyperdrol X2 considered a ph, or can it be used as a PCT? Ive read that it CAN be used in a PCT cycle since it boosts test naturally after a cycle. True? Hyperdrol X2 contains 6-bromo ..
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It is not a ph and can be used as part of a pct. If I were you and was worried about testing make damn sure you know what is in it and what your banned compounds are. I would think it would be safe though.
 
Hey I am about to start taking SPAWN. I was going to take Redefine Nutrition Pct Revolution as my PCT and a natural test booster (don't know which one). What do you guys think?
 
ckcrown said:
Hey I am about to start taking SPAWN. I was going to take Redefine Nutrition Pct Revolution as my PCT and a natural test booster (don't know which one). What do you guys think?
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A SERM and a natty test booster like Stoked is a must imo.
 
ckcrown said:
Hey I am about to start taking SPAWN. I was going to take Redefine Nutrition Pct Revolution as my PCT and a natural test booster (don't know which one). What do you guys think?
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SPAWN is Tren and EPI stacked, SERM is a good idea....
 
If you want to do things without a SERM heres how i would go about things.

5-7wk cycle you want to run a VERY good natty T booster while on cycle to keep production going. So the last 4wks of cycle run, DAA or HCGenerate, Testapro, NTBM Bridge at a double dose, Sustain Alpha, Etc.

By doing this once you come off your should not be totally shut down production wise. Also start taking creatine 10-12 days before you end the cycle, it will help you hold the strength gains you have made.

Next, you want to address keeping the T levels high and make sure your covering all your bases. Change the T booster you ran while ON cycle to another. You have to look at whats in them and make sure your getting all the natty herbs you need. Some T boosters will not have tribulus or Fenugreek,ZMA. So add them in any way possible, buy solo Trib or Fenugreek etc

An AI is going to be needed at a low dose too, it will make sure estrogen is low which is going to help also.. Continue on with the creatine your taking, dont take the 10 dollar 500g low grade mono either. Stick with something that is proven and works well.

The whole purpose of taking the natty T boost and creatien ON cycle is so you dont totallly crash once you stop taking the PH. The T booster is almost acting like HCG even tho is not going to help that much it will do something. Along with the creatine it will keep the strength up. Third, your cal intake must stay the same, no cutting or trying to recomp during this type of PCT. It will kill the gains.

thats about it. Stick with proven products, they are going to be the ones that will actaully work in a situation like this.
 
no serm no cycle. however, if and only if your willing to risk it(that literally takes balls) no pun intended lol, go with primordial performance TRS, serm added makes it solid pct
 
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