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These kinda situations scare the hell outta me when thinking about taking another prohormone. Coming off of a P-Mag cycle and i still dont really feel like a did libido-wise pre-cycle.

But seriously bro, I hope everything goes well for you and your libido comes back and strong as ever but until then try and remain positive. It seems either way, libido or no libido, problems are gonna pop up. I remember a few years back when all i could think about was how im gonna get laid and end up blowin 200-300 bucks at the club/strip club/bars then being pissed off whether i got laid or not cause i was broke that next morning because i was thinking about what else i could have spent the money on.
 
the tiger said:
any suggestions on a prohormone, that could shut me down good...

and then a solid reliable PCT with all proper PCT-ingredients, so to speak? for me to try, that for any "normal" person, would get there sex drive off the charts?

(clomid, sustain alpha...etc)

tiger
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Towards the bottom of this page a guy talks about doing what you're interested in; rebooting his system after not recovering. I don't have enough posts to post links but add a period between anabolicminds and com and it should work. Good luck

anabolicmindscom/forum/post-cycle-therapy/33982-erectile-problems-after-2.html
 
no. Rarely morning would.

I appreciate everyones concern.

I am doing a cycle of wellbutrin-possible dopamine issues--and no results.

I am looking into e1 issue. Too high of conversion possibly.
The funny thing as i have written before, is the ONLY TIME i get horny, is the morning after a long night of drinking.
THe more hungover i am, the hornier i am, and as the hangover wears off, my horniness wears off accordingly.

After almost 3 years now, this observation is not 'all in my head' either.
So that is why i tried the wellbutrin cycle, possible rebound of dopamine in the morning after overloading serotonin at night, and my body is even-ing itself out with a dopamine overload the next morning....wellbutrin isn't working. thats not the case.

Testosterone is suppressed while drinking alot, and therefore it increases alot the next morning when hungover--too even itself out.
But the thing with that is, i have tried test boosters, and my test levels are fine, so its not that either.

But what i may be overlooking is estrogen-e1 levels.
Estrogen increases while getting wasted. and then conversely it will decrease significantly the next morning when bouncing back--while the body is even-ing itself out.
I may have estrogen dominance in my body.

Which are the symptoms of andropause. Which is exactly how i feel. like an old man with no energy, no sex drive, no desire to workout. i just want to sit around and watch tv. also, have fat around my stomach, that i've never had before 3 years ago, that i cannot get rid of.

I have tried everything else. everything. so now, i am hoping this is the issue.
the 'hangover' sounds so far-fetched, but it is true, may horniness is only when i'm hungover, and how horny i am is directly related to how hungover i am.
This is my current lead.....
and i am investigating it. its the only thing i can hang my hat on right now.
 
the tiger said:
no. Rarely morning would.

I appreciate everyones concern.

I am doing a cycle of wellbutrin-possible dopamine issues--and no results.

I am looking into e1 issue. Too high of conversion possibly.
The funny thing as i have written before, is the ONLY TIME i get horny, is the morning after a long night of drinking.
THe more hungover i am, the hornier i am, and as the hangover wears off, my horniness wears off accordingly.

After almost 3 years now, this observation is not 'all in my head' either.
So that is why i tried the wellbutrin cycle, possible rebound of dopamine in the morning after overloading serotonin at night, and my body is even-ing itself out with a dopamine overload the next morning....wellbutrin isn't working. thats not the case.

Testosterone is suppressed while drinking alot, and therefore it increases alot the next morning when hungover--too even itself out.
But the thing with that is, i have tried test boosters, and my test levels are fine, so its not that either.

But what i may be overlooking is estrogen-e1 levels.
Estrogen increases while getting wasted. and then conversely it will decrease significantly the next morning when bouncing back--while the body is even-ing itself out.
I may have estrogen dominance in my body.

Which are the symptoms of andropause. Which is exactly how i feel. like an old man with no energy, no sex drive, no desire to workout. i just want to sit around and watch tv. also, have fat around my stomach, that i've never had before 3 years ago, that i cannot get rid of.

I have tried everything else. everything. so now, i am hoping this is the issue.
the 'hangover' sounds so far-fetched, but it is true, may horniness is only when i'm hungover, and how horny i am is directly related to how hungover i am.
This is my current lead.....
and i am investigating it. its the only thing i can hang my hat on right now.
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I'm sorry but i would be getting very drunk very often if, that's the only way i could get laid..
 
the tiger said:
no. Rarely morning would.

I appreciate everyones concern.

I am doing a cycle of wellbutrin-possible dopamine issues--and no results.

I am looking into e1 issue. Too high of conversion possibly.
The funny thing as i have written before, is the ONLY TIME i get horny, is the morning after a long night of drinking.
THe more hungover i am, the hornier i am, and as the hangover wears off, my horniness wears off accordingly.

After almost 3 years now, this observation is not 'all in my head' either.
So that is why i tried the wellbutrin cycle, possible rebound of dopamine in the morning after overloading serotonin at night, and my body is even-ing itself out with a dopamine overload the next morning....wellbutrin isn't working. thats not the case.

Testosterone is suppressed while drinking alot, and therefore it increases alot the next morning when hungover--too even itself out.
But the thing with that is, i have tried test boosters, and my test levels are fine, so its not that either.

But what i may be overlooking is estrogen-e1 levels.
Estrogen increases while getting wasted. and then conversely it will decrease significantly the next morning when bouncing back--while the body is even-ing itself out.
I may have estrogen dominance in my body.

Which are the symptoms of andropause. Which is exactly how i feel. like an old man with no energy, no sex drive, no desire to workout. i just want to sit around and watch tv. also, have fat around my stomach, that i've never had before 3 years ago, that i cannot get rid of.

I have tried everything else. everything. so now, i am hoping this is the issue.
the 'hangover' sounds so far-fetched, but it is true, may horniness is only when i'm hungover, and how horny i am is directly related to how hungover i am.
This is my current lead.....
and i am investigating it. its the only thing i can hang my hat on right now.
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if you truly have estrogen (estradiol e2) dominance a bloodtest would verify it

have you done test/e2 bloodwork?

a quick test would be to buy some indolplex dim and try it out for a week and see if you get hornier, i usually add in 50 mg zinc

you can also add in TMG for adding methyl groups to wash out your liver of estrogens

also calcium d glucarate would be good

you can buy source naturals calcium d glucarate for cheap, and some indolplex dim, along with zinc picolinate, should be a good stack

to verify your estrogen get a blood spot test from zrt
 
the tiger said:
I took methadrol about 2.5 years ago. I only took it for 2 weeks, if that.

Ever since, i have had no sex drive. Its miserable. I've been to my own doctor, urologists, endocronologists, and a sex therapists, and have gotten nowhere.

I've had blood work done 3 times, and every time all my blood work is PERFECT!

Has this ever happened to anyone? it was the only time i ever did any prohormone cycle and i only did it for 2 weeks. Should i try to redo the cycle to see if i ca "reboot" my sexdrive with another PCT?

Today i am starting to try mass doses of MACA, i've heard this works for some people, hopefully it does for me.

ANY thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Tiger
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please post all of your old bloodwork!
 
I'd say he has high SHBG just because of the lack of morning wood and libido.

I used Unleashed by Protein Factory. I'd also heard good things about Needtobuildmuscle's HCGenerate. I would try those first.
 
well i don't have any bloodwork now.

in the passed 2.5 almost 3 years, i've gotten bloodwork done, 3 different times with no problems at all.

i got some DIM today, may try it for a week or so. If it doesnt work, maybe i'll try the unleashed or hcgenerate.

Heres the stuff that i've tried, and didn't work---and i've already answered the question before..i'm not gay, so thats not an option.

hypnosis
1 psychiatrist
1 sex therapist
boston medical
3 different bloodoworks
test-e
serotnin cycle
dopamine-wellbutrin cycle
a-dex
pt-141
2 different urologists
1 endo
2 different general practicioners
redo-ing my PCT numerous times
test boosters
androhard
sustain alpha
'libido enhancers'



all i know, is when i'm really hungover-im really horny. and thats the only time, in the last 2.5 years
If anyone knows the exact science of a hangover--PLEASE share!
 
I know this is a little off topic but do you ever plan sex around your hangover??For example your girl is sleeping over so you get really drunk hoping for a nice hangover the next day,so you could wake up to a little morning Sex..I'm not trying to be mean i'm thinking how i would deal with this in my life if i had the same problem..
 
I mean the situation sucks and i would be trying to solve the problem as well.. But in the meantime you do know one thing that works... HANGOVERS
 
the problem is, since i don't have sex drive, i'm not out looking for a girlfriend, because i don't really care about having sex 95% of my life, then when i'm hungover and i need sex, i don't have a girl there.
I had a smoking hot girlfriend 1.5 years ago, during this whole situation, and the situation may have costed the relationship.
I started taking DIM today
 
the tiger said:
the problem is, since i don't have sex drive, i'm not out looking for a girlfriend, because i don't really care about having sex 95% of my life, then when i'm hungover and i need sex, i don't have a girl there.
I had a smoking hot girlfriend 1.5 years ago, during this whole situation, and the situation may have costed the relationship.
I started taking DIM today
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I'm sure if you found the right girl and when you got to that point, you were honest with her, you could work it out.. Try being married with kids you consider your self very lucky if you get it once a week..SOMETIMES once every 2 weeks..:banghead:
 
i hear ya brotha

but this girl i was with, i should say, was a terrible girlfriend regardless of this situation, and without saying, not the right girl to deal with this situation.
I had to tell her, she knew of all the doctors i went to, bloodwork etc etc.

She made me feel terribly insecure (which i should i have been) but she could have been helpful rather than make it worse. practically used the situation against me to her advantage.

So now, i fear even trying to get a girlfriend and explaining my situation after some time, because i think the same thing will happen, she'll make the situation worse.

I mean, my last girlfriend, (horrible person) wouldn't even do the recommended 'things' the sex therapist suggested us to do, to possibly help me.
She just refused to do the stuff.. not to go too much into detail, she was a horrible girlfriend, and hell, i spent most of my time with her with my head between her legs just to make sure she was still 'satisfied'.

All i know, is after that experience, its too the point where i'd rather not even have a girlfriend, than go thru that bull**** again.
Which is why i am in a rutt. and not getting any better.
 
Hey bro, been following the thread for a while trying to think of something constructive to add. Seems like you have tried a good deal. However, I don't seem to recall any mention of diet. Not saying it is the problem, but you may want to try a higher fat/protein diet with limited carbs. If your lacking enough fat and cholesterol your endocrine system simply can't function properly.

The only explanation I could give for your increased libido when hungover is this; when drinking testosterone is somewhat suppressed, when you wake up in the morning with a hangover your body may be responding to 1)natural rhythm of test and 2) a rebound effect of not being suppressed any longer from the alcohol. These two things may be jolting you just enough to have real libido. Also as an aside, have you tried caber?
 
i actually have a relatively good diet.
Even when i was dieting perfectly, i would take lots of flaxseed oil for good fats, and that didn't do much.
Thats the thing with the hangover to. The body boosts test levels to rebound from supression, but my test levels are fine, and i've done many test boosters and even test-e, and none of them helped.
Also did wellbutrin, to increase dopamine levels in the brain--another boost during a hangover, but that didn't help either.
I also read somewhere, that the state of mind during a hangover-is that similar to mediation, or hypnosis. so i did hypnosis, and that didn't do ****.
Rather pissed. you could imagine i guess.
I mean, lets say this, i want my life back. Nothin else really matters. everyday i wake up, for almost 3 years now, with this overshadowing everything else that goes on in my life.



whats caber? and what does it do?
 
Cabergoline is what we generally use to get rid of prolactin related issues. It is typically used for patients with pituitary adenomas and other pituitary related disorders. A side effect if you will is that this drug makes many people horny as hell. Check out the article and scroll to the part that reads Postmarketing Surveillance Data. This stuff does come with risks and can be had legitimately or through the research chem route.

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So what would be typical dosing of that?

if the bottle was, 15 mg/30ml--

And if my test levels are fine, is it not worth taking?
my last prolactin-a few years ago when i was the problem started was 7.0. (2-18)

Would there still be potential helpful effects?

thanks-I appreciate everyones help
 
Wow! Tiger.... I am in a similar situation. I took anabolic steriods 2 years ago and have had no Libido ever since either. The weird thing is I took it for only 2 weeks just like you had and stopped because I didn't want to mess anything up. I took WinZtrol and Pherabol by juggernaut nutrition.

The only thing that helps me is herbal stuff sometimes. Like you I can take Cialis but it doesn't do that much...I can get some blood flow but it's not hard enough to have sexual intercourse. The only way for me to get hard enough is taking cialis along with something like Black Magic or some another hebal sexual stimulation pill. It has has to be a reputable hebal stimulant though to work.

I have also went to the docter to get my blood test and they have all said I am "normal". I have seen multiple endocrinoligist and urologists.

But basically I have been living off cialis and the herbal stimulants I can get a hold of. It has literally been the toughest time in my life and hasn't been good for me and my wife. I was actually on my way to the store to get some MACA and was researching on this website when I came across this article. I was blown away to find that you are in basically the exact same situation!
 
Also for the record I have tried clomid and alri restore and nothing! I think I may get in contact with the docter at allthingsmale and see what he reccomends. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Tiger, have you tried Sustain Alpha? I am thinking about trying this.

Another thing I may want to try is rebooting my system. Someone already posted this link:
anabolicmindscom/forum/post-cycle-therapy/33982-erectile-problems-after-2[/url]

Here are the important quotes from the post from someone in a similar situation as us that did steroids:

"i did some of the above recommendations, spank it, MACA, tribulus. when this didnt work i gave my HPTA a little nudge with 6-oxo. After this i got my testosterone levels checked. total testosterone came back at just under 500 and i forget my my free test and etrgoen were, but my free testosterone in particular was more than acceptable.

the doctor assured me everything checked out, in range, good to go, great health, etc. sound familiar?

after 4 months of trying everything under the sun, including just sitting back and trying to let my body work its magic, i gave up. liquid cialis was a very important product during this period of time."

Someone in reply:
"This method has actually worked for another individual i know, buddy from the gym in fact. Dabbled with superdrol and then ran a pure ATD post cycle therapy for a full month. sex drive and function were there, but he assured me that even 2 months later his testicle size and sex drive just werent what they used to be.

I gave him this kind of advice, and he ran a 3 weeker of a superdrol clone, then pct for 4 weeks with nolvadex. He assures me now, 3 weeks into pct, that he is by all means back up and running on all counts. "

I want to try to this to reboot my system, however, i don't know what to run or the proper PCT I should run that will be safe?! I don't know enough about steriods...any suggestions?
 
I tried sustain alpha, and maca, and

I did do a reboot with methadrol. 3 weeks. then did a proper pct with toremifene and all other suggested stuff.
Didn't do ****.
Stillearnin1 is also in the same predicament. We have touched base a few times on all the things we have tried/and didn't work.

Right now...hmm, i just have some viagra, that would potentially work--but i don't have the sex drive, to even care to use it!

The situation has taken over my life.
I've spent- 10's! of thousands of dollars on things to help fix it-between doctors and supplements and everything in between.

So when your trying stuff, and it doesn't work-let me know, so i dont waste my time or money.
Do you take cialis pill form-or liquid from a lab somewhere?
 
I take liquid form from a resarch lab... I use one lab in particular and it seems to work better. I think the actual Cialis brand works the best though. It helps but like you say if there is no desire and no libido it doesn't matter all that much. Yohimbe has helped but as of right now try "black magic" along with cialis and see it was happens. It's suppose to work within a a couple of hours but I feel it more several hours later. It wears off slowly after a couple of days. Also, it works the best when it's in your system and you first wake up and have more sleep.

I feel ya man...it is seriously rough at affects every aspect of your life. Have you ever thought about going to see Jon Crisler at allthingsmale ? What about HCG ??
 
Also, do you think HGH would do anything? At the vitamin store someone reccomended "HGH Complex" which is amino acids before bed time (isn't real HGH). He said it is good for male impotence. I am wondering if this or real HGH would do anything.. Any thoughts anyone?
 
high protein? i appreciate the input, honestly,but its way beyond that. believe me.

Well i suppose i wil try black magic. and i have looked into hgh. i have read so much about all the hormones and this that the other... and hormnoes of hgh cameup, and supposedly it would would matter.

but sometimes i wonder, which is so weird, if at 3 years laters, maybe my hormones an every thing, is right!
and libido is such an odd concept. it is mental.
does that, make you aroused? thats the question
i am wondering if the- does that make you aroused- connection---is that lost?
does it need to be retaught? after all this time?


but when i am horny when i'm hungover, tells me no, its in my brain, its there, i am horny, it just only comes out when im hungover. so what is it aboutbeing hungover that makes me horny?
what is going on with my body?
i've done test, and dopamine. but what else?
 
you both could try HGH

check this link about a dude who tried test/hcg/estrogen blocker and only HGH helped him

im in similar boat and testosterone isn't doing squat even with hcg and arimidex, need to finetune but still problems

i might try hgh next

i heard good things about usp labs powerfull as well, or hghpro.. great deep recuperative sleep, and increase in libido you might wanna read some reviews and try that before going on real HGH

heres the link i mentioned:

HGH has been life changing
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Check this poster brentf13 raving about HGH for libido/wood
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Good luck mates, i'll try to let you know if i go on the HGH bandwagon as well
 
Tiger,

I know you said you've done Test-E but was it an injectable or oral? Also you said your test levels are always in the normal range but what about raising them above normal? For me in the past everytime i have done inj test my wife hated me. I wanted it morning,noon and night! Also you may be onto something with the "hangovers". Take the time to research it. Alcohol makes me a lilttle horny also but does't have to be a hangover. Best of luck to you
 
again, i greatly appreciate everyone's input!

vduzin12. yes i did injectable test-e, and also, one of my blood tests-my first of 3, my test was way over the limit, because it was done during me doing my pct.
then the really educated doctor said my libido was bad because my test was too high.
so, i got my test back to normal range-along with all my other bloodwork tests--for the next 2 bloodworks i got done, and...still no libido, no libido since i took the methadrol
 
the tiger said:
is powerfull-usp labs hgh or something just like it?
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not real hgh

its a natural product containing as they say a special version of l-dopa that crosses the brain barrier and increases GH

not really sure if this is true, but lot of users report good stuff

i just bought some optimum nutrition zma and see how it affects my sleep, hopefully just as good as my first version of zma

then next i might try powerfull as well its just 30-40 bucks
 
hey Tiger, is "methadrol" superdrol? if so i can tell you that it kills the $h!t out of my libido for a month or more. the one thing i hate about it.
 
on the hangover, i believe alcohol is a powerful aromatase. one of our chemists could verify. i love me some google...check this out:

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you could also see the upside to no sex drive - most men are slaves to their sex drive. Sex causes way more problems than it solves - in fact we spend all our lives chasing a 10 second orgasm? Basically we try to get ****ed then get ****ed by everything else - babies, divorce, mother-in-laws, etc etc....dude maybe you should count your blessings!
 
i seen a documentry of pateints who eat alot of garlic over a month. it had a old ass man who had no sex drive and after a few weeks of this he was feeling like a stud again.
he had high blood pressure and **** tho. give it a try, garlic doesnt cost anything really and it is still good for you
 
Curious how is this dude doing? I also think he should try areset, dbol always made me very horny even on 10mg a day
 
Bump !
I would also like to know how he is doing. I have had a similar problem sneak up on me and it is ruining my life.
I ran trimethyl x 2010 and had an awesome sex drive and everything was good. So then I hear good things about Super DMZ, so I get some and it had destroyed my sex drive and my balls couldn't be any smaller or they would disappear.
BTW if you know why this may be please PM me
 
I am curious to know how TheTiger is doing as well?? Any progress?? TheTiger, I got my estradiol levels checked and they were unbelievably low. Have you gotten an estradiol senstive test? You need to get the SENSITIVE TEST done. Dr. John says that estradiol is one of key components to libido.

If it Estradiol is too low it's impossible to get an erection even with Cialis/Viagra. Mine was 5 pg/ml on a scale of 3 to 70 pg/ml which is low and I had no sex drive! I have since gotten my E2 up some and now cialis works but I still have ED with no drugs.

TheTiger...I would reccomend getting this test done if you haven't already. My guess is that your estradiol is way high or low. Being too high as well can affect your libido. I have been told optimal levels are about 20 pg/ML.

As I mentioned before, I am in the same boat as you.... took steroids for 2 weeks and nothing has been the same since. I am currently in a Yahoo group working with some "doctors" and very knowlegable people that have had the same issues if you are interested in joining?
 
dustingreen said:
I am curious to know how TheTiger is doing as well?? Any progress?? TheTiger, I got my estradiol levels checked and they were unbelievably low. Have you gotten an estradiol senstive test? You need to get the SENSITIVE TEST done. Dr. John says that estradiol is one of key components to libido.

If it Estradiol is too low it's impossible to get an erection even with Cialis/Viagra. Mine was 5 pg/ml on a scale of 3 to 70 pg/ml which is low and I had no sex drive! I have since gotten my E2 up some and now cialis works but I still have ED with no drugs.

TheTiger...I would reccomend getting this test done if you haven't already. My guess is that your estradiol is way high or low. Being too high as well can affect your libido. I have been told optimal levels are about 20 pg/ML.

As I mentioned before, I am in the same boat as you.... took steroids for 2 weeks and nothing has been the same since. I am currently in a Yahoo group working with some "doctors" and very knowlegable people that have had the same issues if you are interested in joining?
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I cant pm you yet because i dont have enough posts can you pm what that yahoo group is? I need all the help I can get I can get erections and stuff but I got no libido! my thoughts on sex are pretty much zero. it sucks bad. any advice or help is greatly appreciated!

by the way how did you get your e2 fixed? i think that might be part of my problem

thank you I hope to hear from you.
 
Its probly your prolactin. you will feel as if you can lift normal and all but your sex drive is gone. It is directly responsible for sex drive to an extent. You need to get a pct for prolactin suppression. Research it, it is the #1 main cause of sexual disfunction in men over 25.
 
my thoughts throught this whole thread, i may have even pinted it out. by me it was prolactin due to tren. im sure of it. i feel like 75% now 4months later. almost 100%. what i took from my cycle , never run tren or deca
 
I may be missing something here but I don't think the cause of ED is always due to steroid use. Especially if the use was only for two weeks and it's been four years since that usage.

I mean - that kind of means two things ... first that the steroid was so strong - it reset the endocrine system in a screwed up fashion - and second ... that the body's own system of healing and balance won't correct it.

I would tend to think the problem is somewhere else. Yeah it could be estradiol I suppose - but freaky levels can happen as a part of natural life?
 
Hey tiger,

I know this is a few months old since anyone has posted but how are things goin with the libido? I have been doing some research in to your matter and was wondering if you have noticed any other kinds of uncommon behavior since your cycle? Have you had any neurological symptoms? Are you on any medication for depression or hypertension? Do you take pain medication? Obviously you are stressed because no libido can be stressful. Have you had your thyroid checked? Do you have a copy of your blood test results? If so check your Beta-HCG level. Check your CA 19-9 normal levels are below 37 U/ml. Check your Calcitonin normal levels are below 5 to 12 pg/ml. Look at your Chromogranin A (CgA) levels, normal level is commonly less than 50 ng/ml. Check your NSE (Neuron-specific enolase) abnormal levels are usually higher than 9 ug/mL. Look at your PSA (Prostate-specific antigen) abnormal levels are greater than 10 ng/ml. And last check Thyroglobulin, normal levels depend on age and gender... These are a few you should check out. You can easily get copies of your blood sample numbers from your doctor. In my experience family/general practice doctors can and do overlook numbers that borderline what is normal vs abnormal. Check for yourself. If anything jumps out from above let your doc know. Even if it is one number above what is normal you should have a more specific test done. Good luck bro. PM me if you have any questions
 
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