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Dewey99 said:
Yeah, Cell-Tech is not one of my favorite products, but even the new version of that is solid. Only 13 grams of the 38 grams of carbs comes from sugar now with the rest coming from complex carb sources. They also added some nice ingredients to the formula like ALA and aminos.
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Hey everybody was using it and raving about it back in the day
 
fightnews said:
Thats bs some people do overtrain
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Dude, you weren't getting what I meant. Of course people overtrain. But according to some people in this thread and beyond, overtraining is totally CNS related. They are using words like "overreaching" to describe people who make no gains when they train too hard or too often. They are saying that overtraining is a rare phenomenon because a few hours of weight training each week isn't enough to tax anyone's CNS. **** that, I'm old school. If you're not making gains because you are training too hard and/or too frequently, then I call it overtraining. You also have people who will insist that one's sleep and diet is always to blame for lack of gains - these people, too, will tell you that overtraining is hard to do. But we all know this is bull**** because we've all tried eating 6,000 calories a day while training our arms 6 days a week, drug-free. If that worked, everyone would have 23'' arms (well, maybe only 20'' for those with average genetics. Haha.)
 
Dewey99 said:
I can see where people may have had issues with MT in the past, but just about everything produced in the last 2-3 years has been pretty darn good. Looking at the current lineup and all the stuff that is coming out in the next 2-3 months, I think the number of AM users that don't use MT products will become more and more rare. Hopefully you keep an open mind and give some of the new stuff a shot.

I can't comment on the price point for the Phosphatydlserine, but I can tell you that it is very well dosed. You will be pleased.
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I won't be one of them.
 
aaronuconn said:
There "Essential Line" will have some nice products. There will be some CLA and Glutamine in bulk, which of course the forum-bros won't like, but there should be some other nice bulk ingredients coming.
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Have you ever used glutamine or CLA solo before?
 
fasttaker said:
Dude, you weren't getting what I meant. Of course people overtrain. But according to some people in this thread and beyond, overtraining is totally CNS related. They are using words like "overreaching" to describe people who make no gains when they train too hard or too often. They are saying that overtraining is a rare phenomenon because a few hours of weight training each week isn't enough to tax anyone's CNS. **** that, I'm old school. If you're not making gains because you are training too hard and/or too frequently, then I call it overtraining. You also have people who will insist that one's sleep and diet is always to blame for lack of gains - these people, too, will tell you that overtraining is hard to do. But we all know this is bull**** because we've all tried eating 6,000 calories a day while training our arms 6 days a week, drug-free. If that worked, everyone would have 23'' arms (well, maybe only 20'' for those with average genetics. Haha.)
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I've made better gains training for 2 hours or more 5-6 times a week than I ever did at 45 minutes every other day. So, this "old school" mentality of yours does not compute. According to you, I am overtraining but the gains keep coming.
 
fasttaker said:
Dude, you weren't getting what I meant. Of course people overtrain. But according to some people in this thread and beyond, overtraining is totally CNS related. They are using words like "overreaching" to describe people who make no gains when they train too hard or too often. They are saying that overtraining is a rare phenomenon because a few hours of weight training each week isn't enough to tax anyone's CNS. **** that, I'm old school. If you're not making gains because you are training too hard and/or too frequently, then I call it overtraining. You also have people who will insist that one's sleep and diet is always to blame for lack of gains - these people, too, will tell you that overtraining is hard to do. But we all know this is bull**** because we've all tried eating 6,000 calories a day while training our arms 6 days a week, drug-free. If that worked, everyone would have 23'' arms (well, maybe only 20'' for those with average genetics. Haha.)
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That ain't over training. You do not dictate what the word means so your interpretation of Over training is nothing more than under recovery.

Call it what you like, but it ain't over training just because you say it is.
 
Jiigzz said:
That ain't over training. You do not dictate what the word means so your interpretation of Over training is nothing more than under recovery.

Call it what you like, but it ain't over training just because you say it is.
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I'd like to throw "overtraining" off a cliff onto jagged rocks. :D
 
Invalid Link Removed upon my word I think I hath developed brilliant super wrist from 14 hours on the fence paint
 
On an unrelated note, how many companies have a CLA powder? First I've seen of it, but I could have easily missed it if another company was already doing it.
 
Jiigzz said:
Unless you're an elite athlete or regularly testing 1RM for extended periods - it is unlikely. Pubmed "over training syndrome" and don't just use Google.
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yes but overtraining itself is poorly defined, as is the syndrome. Addisonic overtraining is much more difficult to detect v basedowic. Proper restoration is vital for anyone serious into weight training, properly planning alternate training means with appropriate restorative means is necessary for any fitness plan.
 
braskibra said:
yes but overtraining itself is poorly defined, as is the syndrome. Addisonic overtraining is much more difficult to detect v basedowic. Proper restoration is vital for anyone serious into weight training, properly planning alternate training means with appropriate restorative means is necessary for any fitness plan.
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Addison's disease is very very rare. Stay off webmd .
 
aaronuconn said:
On an unrelated note, how many companies have a CLA powder? First I've seen of it, but I could have easily missed it if another company was already doing it.
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To be fair to MT, the new line is called Platinum Essentials right? MT is also a major mass market company are they not? Stands to reason that CLA and glutamine is in their new line since the masses are still goo goo ga ga over CLA and glutamine. Places like GNC has people asking for CLA and/or glutamine every time I go in there to buy protein bars and what not.
 
braskibra said:
yes but overtraining itself is poorly defined, as is the syndrome. Addisonic overtraining is much more difficult to detect v basedowic. Proper restoration is vital for anyone serious into weight training, properly planning alternate training means with appropriate restorative means is necessary for any fitness plan.
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It isn't poorly defined, its just poorly interpreted. There are so many articles on Google which misuse the term and this ultimately ends up hurting the reader. People are afraid of pushing boundaries and working a muscle group more then once per week because of this term they don't understand.

If you can recover from 'over training' within 2-3 days, then that isn't over training.

I have a gripe with it purely because it holds back people from working out to their limit.
 
Jiigzz said:
It isn't poorly defined, its just poorly interpreted. There are so many articles on Google which misuse the term and this ultimately ends up hurting the reader. People are afraid of pushing boundaries and working a muscle group more then once per week because of this term they don't understand.

If you can recover from 'over training' within 2-3 days, then that isn't over training.

I have a gripe with it purely because it holds back people from working out to their limit.
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My limit is time constraints :P I don't like super sets and I don't like drop sets, I like the usual 3-4 sets per exercise but the problem is I do at least 3-4 exercises per body part and my workouts are all splits ending with abs, obliques, and two farmer walks with a set of shrugs to finish. That chit takes a lot of time :P Especially when the sets are in the 8-16 reps range (usually 10-16, sometimes up to 20).

Basically by the time I'm done, I've already seen people finish their workout and the person coming into the gym after that person, I'm probably done by the time that person finishes their workout :P

Time man, wish I had more of it.
 
kissdadookie said:
I've made better gains training for 2 hours or more 5-6 times a week than I ever did at 45 minutes every other day. So, this "old school" mentality of yours does not compute. According to you, I am overtraining but the gains keep coming.
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Everybody's different though. I would definitely overtraining on your routine and may way better gains training every other day for an hour or so. Hell just waking up at 3 am everyday would put me in overtraining mode. Life isnt one size fits all. I know one thing you must have to eat an elephants diet to see the scale go up with your routine? How much do you weigh?
 
fightnews said:
Everybody's different though. I would definitely overtraining on your routine and may way better gains training every other day for an hour or so. Hell just waking up at 3 am everyday would put me in overtraining mode. Life isnt one size fits all. I know one thing you must have to eat an elephants diet to see the scale go up with your routine? How much do you weigh?
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I've been recomping for the last two months. So I actually got my bf% back down to around when I finished my cut awhile back and started bulking. So now I sit at around 5-6 lbs more (166) than I did months back at around the same bodyfat % (around 10%, possibly a little lower). When I was bulking, I ate around 3200-3300 calories. Right now, I've been eating around 2800 calories which is roughly maintenance for me. Going to drop that down to about 2500 starting Weds. to shed some fat for 2 months.
 
kissdadookie said:
I've been recomping for the last two months. So I actually got my bf% back down to around when I finished my cut awhile back and started bulking. So now I sit at around 5-6 lbs more (166) than I did months back at around the same bodyfat % (around 10%, possibly a little lower). When I was bulking, I ate around 3200-3300 calories. Right now, I've been eating around 2800 calories which is roughly maintenance for me. Going to drop that down to about 2500 starting Weds. to shed some fat for 2 months.
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cool i dont know what im doing bulking i guess, thats all i ever do. im the one who eats like an elephant lol, i take 5 pound sh1ts
 
fightnews said:
cool i dont know what im doing bulking i guess, thats all i ever do. im the one who eats like an elephant lol, i take 5 pound sh1ts
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I'm only at 166 lbs right now and 5'8" and I don't do much cardio (basically once a week), so calorically, I don't need to go too crazy.
 
kissdadookie said:
I'm only at 166 lbs right now and 5'8" and I don't do much cardio (basically once a week), so calorically, I don't need to go too crazy.
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You work out like crazy though, When I was in shape i was doing 2 1/2 hour workouts to but half of that time was boxing. Im kind of a chef so I eat like a madman. I usually cook enough food for 20 people and eat it myself lol
 
fightnews said:
Everybody's different though. I would definitely overtraining on your routine and may way better gains training every other day for an hour or so. Hell just waking up at 3 am everyday would put me in overtraining mode. Life isnt one size fits all. I know one thing you must have to eat an elephants diet to see the scale go up with your routine? How much do you weigh?
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Thats not overtraining!! *smashes phone*
 
Inb4 jiigzz rages.
 
I ran smolov which incorporates squatting/benching heavily with high volume 4X a week and made some of the best strength gains of my life, not to mention adding considerable amount of size to my chest/shoulders and legs

Did I overtrain? Lulz
 
No crap sherlock, its named addisonic overtraining, its a category of overtraining, pick up a book once, its not referring to the disease
 
Jiigzz said:
Too late ;)
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Lighten up dude I was only joking about the waking up at 3am thing (though that will and has killed me). Don't rage out on me and start ripping workout magazines in half.
 
Jiigzz said:
Too late ;)
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Lighten up dude I was only joking about the waking up at 3am thing (though that will and has killed me). Don't rage out on me and start ripping workout magazines in half.
 
Jiigzz said:
It isn't poorly defined, its just poorly interpreted. There are so many articles on Google which misuse the term and this ultimately ends up hurting the reader. People are afraid of pushing boundaries and working a muscle group more then once per week because of this term they don't understand.

If you can recover from 'over training' within 2-3 days, then that isn't over training.

I have a gripe with it purely because it holds back people from working out to their limit.
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Its not the overworking thats the problem, concentrated loading is the premier strength training block for experienced trainers. Its the lack of a follow up period of decreased volume allowing your body to experience supercompensation which is the problem and the main reason why higher level lifters experience stagnation.
 
Jiigzz said:
It isn't poorly defined, its just poorly interpreted. There are so many articles on Google which misuse the term and this ultimately ends up hurting the reader. People are afraid of pushing boundaries and working a muscle group more then once per week because of this term they don't understand.

If you can recover from 'over training' within 2-3 days, then that isn't over training.

I have a gripe with it purely because it holds back people from working out to their limit.
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Its not the overworking thats the problem, concentrated loading is the premier strength training block for experienced trainers. Its the lack of a follow up period of decreased volume allowing your body to experience supercompensation which is the problem and the main reason why higher level lifters experience stagnation.
 
fightnews said:
Lighten up dude I was only joking about the waking up at 3am thing (though that will and has killed me). Don't rage out on me and start ripping workout magazines in half.
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Haha it was a joke :D
 
braskibra said:
Its not the overworking thats the problem, concentrated loading is the premier strength training block for experienced trainers. Its the lack of a follow up period of decreased volume allowing your body to experience supercompensation which is the problem and the main reason why higher level lifters experience stagnation.
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Agreed fully.
 
Jiigzz said:
Too late ;)
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Lighten up dude I was only joking about the waking up at 3am thing (though that will and has killed me). Don't rage out on me and start ripping workout magazines in half. Double post the site farted on me
 
Jiigzz said:
It isn't poorly defined, its just poorly interpreted. There are so many articles on Google which misuse the term and this ultimately ends up hurting the reader. People are afraid of pushing boundaries and working a muscle group more then once per week because of this term they don't understand.

If you can recover from 'over training' within 2-3 days, then that isn't over training.

I have a gripe with it purely because it holds back people from working out to their limit.
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Its not the overworking thats the problem, concentrated loading is the premier strength training block for experienced trainers. Its the lack of a follow up period of decreased volume allowing your body to experience supercompensation which is the problem and the main reason why higher level lifters experience stagnation.
 
braskibra said:
Its not the overworking thats the problem, concentrated loading is the premier strength training block for experienced trainers. Its the lack of a follow up period of decreased volume allowing your body to experience supercompensation which is the problem and the main reason why higher level lifters experience stagnation.
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Deloads are always suggested, especially when utilising higher intesity lifts that require greater CNS recruitment, however a typical 5 day split has 6 days if recovery between each workout that typically uses lower intensity.

If we were talking about periodising for an athlete who performs max intensity lifts or doing repetitive high intensity sprints or something, then yes, the chance to develop OTS becomes more real but still avoidable if you're smart.

They key is in the periodisation method that allows for adequete deloading.
 
MultiVitamin said:
I ran smolov which incorporates squatting/benching heavily with high volume 4X a week and made some of the best strength gains of my life, not to mention adding considerable amount of size to my chest/shoulders and legsDid I overtrain? Lulz
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What about back and direct shoulder training?
 
Jiigzz said:
Deloads are always suggested, especially when utilising higher intesity lifts that require greater CNS recruitment, however a typical 5 day split has 6 days if recovery between each workout that typically uses lower intensity.

If we were talking about periodising for an athlete who performs max intensity lifts or doing repetitive high intensity sprints or something, then yes, the chance to develop OTS becomes more real but still avoidable if you're smart.

They key is in the periodisation method that allows for adequete deloading.
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How often should one deload?
 
fightnews said:
What about back and direct shoulder training?
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Ran it something like this.

Monday-
bench (6x6), incline bb, tri's, Squat(4x9)

Tuesday-
Back and bis

Wednesday-
Squat(5x7), leg ext, leg curl, bench (7x5)

Thursday-
Shoulders, trap, back

Friday-
Squat (7x5), bench (8x4)

Saturday-
bench + squat + bis

A little more exercises but you get the point. Was hitting rear delts eod
 
fightnews said:
How often should one deload?
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Lol.

I deload every 4 weeks.

My split is something like:

Heavy Bench/ Shoulders/ Triceps/ Core
Rack Pulls + Knee Lifts/ Legs
OHP/ Chest/ Biceps/ Core
Squats/ Back
 
Jiigzz said:
Lol.

I deload every 4 weeks.

My split is something like:

Heavy Bench/ Shoulders/ Triceps/ Core
Rack Pulls + Knee Lifts/ Legs
OHP/ Chest/ Biceps/ Core
Squats/ Back
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I honestly don't think scheduling a deload makes much sense IMO. I dial it back a little if I start feeling like I can't recover quickly enough (signs of this would be losing strength/reps). When this happens I may change up some exercises, adjust the volume or drop the weights a little for the following week.

My view on this is that we are living organisms and have high variability, so how does scheduling deloads make sense. Does one magically require a deload every X days? Not really, use them when you have to.
 
kissdadookie said:
I honestly don't think scheduling a deload makes much sense IMO. I dial it back a little if I start feeling like I can't recover quickly enough (signs of this would be losing strength/reps). When this happens I may change up some exercises, adjust the volume or drop the weights a little for the following week.

My view on this is that we are living organisms and have high variability, so how does scheduling deloads make sense. Does one magically require a deload every X days? Not really, use them when you have to.
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We do indeed, but all of the best written powerlifting periodisation plans incorporate them for a reason. For a typical BBer split you won't need to. For a powerlifting cycle you'd be foolish not to. At least in my opinion.

Scheduled deloads ensure you are prepared for the next me so cycle without compounding neural fatigue. We are talking regularly using higher intensity though

Oh, and I was giving my own deload schedule (from lifts over 90% 1RM). If you're a BBer then deloading is at your own discretion IMO.
 
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