New SD compound?

supermanjow said:
We're still working on the effective dosing. It's not 17a alkylated so it shouldn't be too harsh. However, from an anabolic standpoint it has a fairly short oral half life. However, it is potent and will shut you down hard. It was originally being researched for male contraception at doses as little as 1.5mg. So, it's going to take some trial and error as Tvar did when it first came out.
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Oh, hey bro
 
nostrum420 said:
50mg inj. 50-100mg TD much like celtic mass we don't know what oral dose will be optimal. Most users are planning to start with dosing schemes similar to those with the IBE MENT currently available.
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I think i'm gonna run celtic mass at 30mg a day to start stacked with trest at 40 probably 20/10 and 20/20, might fool around with 50mg of trest pwo. This should be interesting. I dunno i got 2 bottles of each on order and I'm going for 6 weeks.
 
I'm planning on running this:

Ostobol: 10/10/10/20/20/20
Trestobol: 20/20/20/40/40/40

I've run low dose Osta in the past so I know what to expet from it. So, I'll know if the trest is soon anything at the lower dose. Then once I've used it for a while I'll start to kick it up a notch. I like to explore the lower ranges of a new compound first. It really gives me an idea of what it can do. And most guys would be surprised how little of some compounds you actually need to get results. For example. I was doing 10mg SD 3X a week on workout days only for a 6 week stent and I put on 15lbs and kept 10 a while back.
 
musclefool said:
Thank you! Your info is useful.. Hey do you know if it aromatizes?
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I didn't have any issues. Both compounds are based off of SD, which doesn't aromatize. Word of warning though, you run the risk of estrogen rebound when you come off. So make sure you've got a AI on hand for PCT at the very least.

Also, please use a solid liver support. SDMZ 2.0 is what I ended my last cycle and it had to end abruptly and badly because my liver was NOT happy. I wasn't doing anything crazy, but had gone extra long (8 weeks was the planned length) and started my cycle with an SD Tvar combination. Week seven I threw in 50mg of Dbol and it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I was 3 days in when I started to itch uncontrollably. It had been about two weeks since my wife had started thinking I was going tanning behind her back (not really, but it's what I looked like). Normal bilirubin levels are less than 1 (not sure the scale or units). I topped out at 9. It got so bad that I was eating saltines and sprite for supper for about a week. I wasn't able to even think about going back to the gym until 8 weeks later. Now at 12 I've been training solid for 3 weeks again. Through it all I lost all 25lbs I had gained (I've sinced started gaining it back). I lost all my strength gains. And to top it off, I wasn't able to do anything for PCT so I got rebound gyno.
 
supermanjow said:
I didn't have any issues. Both compounds are based off of SD, which doesn't aromatize. Word of warning though, you run the risk of estrogen rebound when you come off. So make sure you've got a AI on hand for PCT at the very least.

Also, please use a solid liver support. SDMZ 2.0 is what I ended my last cycle and it had to end abruptly and badly because my liver was NOT happy. I wasn't doing anything crazy, but had gone extra long (8 weeks was the planned length) and started my cycle with an SD Tvar combination. Week seven I threw in 50mg of Dbol and it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I was 3 days in when I started to itch uncontrollably. It had been about two weeks since my wife had started thinking I was going tanning behind her back (not really, but it's what I looked like). Normal bilirubin levels are less than 1 (not sure the scale or units). I topped out at 9. It got so bad that I was eating saltines and sprite for supper for about a week. I wasn't able to even think about going back to the gym until 8 weeks later. Now at 12 I've been training solid for 3 weeks again. Through it all I lost all 25lbs I had gained (I've sinced started gaining it back). I lost all my strength gains. And to top it off, I wasn't able to do anything for PCT so I got rebound gyno.
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Hmm interesting.. On my previous cycles with tren test deca and dbol I never used a estrogen blocker/PCT and I didn't have any serious side affects besides the back acne and increase in aggression but other than that I kept my size and strength... But I didn't stack them
 
Google cholestasis. Jaundice of the eyes, skin. Massive itching. White feces. Brown urine. These are 'stop right now and pound tucda' signs not to be taken lightly.
 
Wilko said:
Google cholestasis. Jaundice of the eyes, skin. Massive itching. White feces. Brown urine. These are 'stop right now and pound tucda' signs not to be taken lightly.
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Well said! I use Antaeus Labs Aegis all the time now. Great stuff!!!
 
Celtic have any considerations regarding a cycle support product featuring TUCDA? Seem to have everything else worthwhile.
 
Wilko said:
Celtic have any considerations regarding a cycle support product featuring TUCDA? Seem to have everything else worthwhile.
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I don't think there's anything in the works right now. We're really focusing on giving everyone the best bang for their buck hormonal compounds while bringing out new analogues that no one is carrying or perhaps have even thought of carrying!
 
nostrum420 said:
I in no way thought you were putting it down :) We really don't know how it's going to perform yet; we're hoping it gives similar gains to SD with less toxicity but that may be wishful thinking. I'm pretty excited for the future to. Just to build a little more anticipation, we're also working on a new 1-AD (the compound PA was planning to release as 1-AD v.4 but never got to...) that will hopefully be considerably stronger than the 1-androsterone clones available currently.
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Would be very nice..its interesting to compare the quality from different companies..kinda fun lol
 
musclefool said:
How do you notice your liver getting fu*ked up? I want to make sure to get proper supplements for this
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UDCA. Not hard to get either.

If not, TUDCA will also suffice. 500mg UDCA per day is enough for most harsh oral cycles. TUDCA you could run 750-1000mg per day for same results.

A few years back I did a run of SD bridged into Trenazone/H-drol. Took bloods 2 days after ending cycle and came back in the normal range. I ran UDCA throughout. Got it all captured in a log here on AM. When I say "captured" I actually mean the pictures of the blood results to prove it.
 
fueledpassion said:
UDCA. Not hard to get either.

If not, TUDCA will also suffice. 500mg UDCA per day is enough for most harsh oral cycles. TUDCA you could run 750-1000mg per day for same results.

A few years back I did a run of SD bridged into Trenazone/H-drol. Took bloods 2 days after ending cycle and came back in the normal range. I ran UDCA throughout. Got it all captured in a log here on AM. When I say "captured" I actually mean the pictures of the blood results to prove it.
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I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?
 
musclefool said:
I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?
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Just to take this to the extreme, 1 cap of SuperDMZ could possibly be likened to 40mg of methylated compound. This is not precise but they agree both double methylated and that's the rule of thumb I use to just stay super cautious.
 
musclefool said:
I was thinking of taking a pct but on my last month cycle with dbol I kept all my gains and still getting stronger.. But lost a little weight which is normal. I have a question.. Is dbol more liver toxic than super dmz 2.0?
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There is no way to answer this question with any degree of hard evidence. Based purely on my experiences and research, I'd rank them like this:

Most to least toxic

Anadrol/M1T/Methyl Tren
Dianabol/SD
DMZ?/Phera
Winstrol/Epistane/H-Drol
Anavar/Dienolone stuff/etc etc

I could be way off. SD might be far more toxic than Dbol and Anadrol, or it might only be something more like Phera or Epistane. Generally speaking, my thought is this: the more dramatic the gains, the more toxic it is. This is a common trade off with steroids. Gains vs. health risks. Since SD is among the strongest, I'd treat it with respect. Run UDCA. Run Milk Thistle if you like as well. Stay off the alcohol before AND after the cycle for a while. Eat right. Do cardio. Stay healthy as you can while you run it.

This is also why the general public, media and government typically assume that giant bodybuilders are at a severe health risk since they have in some cases double their mass over time. Granted, this isn't always the case. That's the point of cycling and running ancillaries throughout - to protect and recover the body's healthy state.

So that list is something I have created as a rule of thumb on how to treat each compound. Sure, there are far more compounds that I am not familiar with that could fit in various places in there but you get the picture. I'd treat DMZ like Phera or SD if I were you.
 
fueledpassion said:
There is no way to answer this question with any degree of hard evidence. Based purely on my experiences and research, I'd rank them like this:

Most to least toxic

Anadrol/M1T/Methyl Tren
Dianabol/SD
DMZ?/Phera
Winstrol/Epistane/H-Drol
Anavar/Dienolone stuff/etc etc

I could be way off. SD might be far more toxic than Dbol and Anadrol, or it might only be something more like Phera or Epistane. Generally speaking, my thought is this: the more dramatic the gains, the more toxic it is. This is a common trade off with steroids. Gains vs. health risks. Since SD is among the strongest, I'd treat it with respect. Run UDCA. Run Milk Thistle if you like as well. Stay off the alcohol before AND after the cycle for a while. Eat right. Do cardio. Stay healthy as you can while you run it.

This is also why the general public, media and government typically assume that giant bodybuilders are at a severe health risk since they have in some cases double their mass over time. Granted, this isn't always the case. That's the point of cycling and running ancillaries throughout - to protect and recover the body's healthy state.

So that list is something I have created as a rule of thumb on how to treat each compound. Sure, there are far more compounds that I am not familiar with that could fit in various places in there but you get the picture. I'd treat DMZ like Phera or SD if I were you.
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Most bloods show D-bol being considerably less toxic than SD. Also, DMZ tends be a bit less toxic than SD. UDCA or TUDCA will pretty much mitigate risk of serious liver issues from any reasonable cycle though...
 
retroscapers said:
You're going to crap yourself when you find out that they also have a phera type DS and 7aDbol in the mix as well. Hopefully all of these deliver. With new products you always question the beta testers.
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Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol
 
Gym4Life said:
Oh my I just did runs to the toilet I've never ever got to use phera plex it was before my time buts its legendary status has allways made me want to try it if they bring a phera out man I'd be ordering me hundreds !!!

Not really interested in the dbol heck who wants water weight and to lose it all after ... Ill stick with Epi or sdrol
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7-methyl D-bol is unfortunately not gonna happen. 2-cyano-Phera may be a little closer than I had thought though...
 
musclefool said:
April 1st is when I think they start making shipments
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i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol
 
OnionKnight said:
i think he ment when are they releasing the phera product.

if im right, one of the reps mentioned earlier on here that its a long ways out. something about still needing to create the raw forumula, ship to US, print the labels, box. pretty much still just an idea lol
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Phera is what I was talking about yep!
 
Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.
 
Hyde said:
Well I ordered 2 bottles of the promethylmasteron, I hope you're happy. I still have 2 bottles of SD ratholed, and I don't think I'm even gonna try those for a bit! But $19, dang. I can sell em for profit later at that price! Gonna give the Ostarine a whirl too, $63 today.
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Yeah I've get a whole mess of Osta on the way myself... :D
 
I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I got enough SD stocked up to choke a pack of horses! Probably enough for life depending on how long I lift and how often I cycle it lol.
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i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?
 
halfhuman said:
Lol. I have 3 bottles left. Just used one a month ago.
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OnionKnight said:
i dont think theyll last a life lol. i only got 2 preban, shoulda got around 5 though. im under the impression that theyre no good after 5 years passed expiration. am i wrong?
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well 2 1/2 Beast and 3 LGI :D thats a lot of pills there, so maybe not "life"....but a good long while, or at least until I get too old to lift heavy weights if used sparingly lol

oh, and I froze them all. figured its the best bet for keeping them fresh long term.
 
SpotmeyungLad said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but on my celtic mass it said it is good until 2015
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I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk
 
nostrum420 said:
I think the most you can put on the majority of supps is 2 years. If kept in a cool dry place PHs in regular capsules (or powder in a sealed container) should last nearly forever. Also one would generally see a loss of potency over time; they won't spoil like milk
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what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
 
csa2179 said:
what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
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What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera
 
nostrum420 said:
What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera
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I just dont have enough time and liver for all the new exciting compunds!

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csa2179 said:
what about old skool phera. i thought it degraded pretty fast. thats why i havent bought any. they were all capped in like 2008. 5 years if they break down add a moderate, they wouldnt be phera any more. whats your take? if im worng im going to pick up a few bottles of phera. cost a small fortune but thats how it goes
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I believe it is heat that causing this degredation, not time. It is more of a conversion than a degradation though. It is still active, just in a different form.
 
nostrum420 said:
What I posted is a general rule of thumb for steroids. I've never heard of it being any different for Phera but it does have a somewhat unusual structure. Not sure; might be better to wait and save your money for 2-cyano phera
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I've never waited and saved money. I also have money for 2 cyano phera. I'm incredibly tempted to order some of this trestobol. Is it the same as trestolone acetate or structurally similar. From everything I see it appears to be. But everyone keeps acting like its a new compound.
 
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