New SD compound?

thehogsters said:
Well sure running test would work, but I have not had a way to get it for the past 15 years. What about epi?
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Negative on the Epi. That's a really bad idea. The favored sidekick to SD seems to be DHT, and that means something like 5-Alpha Test or one of the Stano products. A 4-DHEA (Alpha Bulk, Bulk Up, 4ad) is also suitable, but people really seem to prefer DHT compounds with SD.
 
Did not mean run them together. Just wonder how epi is alone. Any of you know what PH is the least likely to kill my junk?
 
thehogsters said:
So what would be the best option for not getting dead d**k? I tried a tren blend about 4 years ago and my junk was dead for weeks, not even viagra would work. My fiance almost left me.
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Of the ones we have been talking about -- Phera

If you run Test w/ SD, the libido issues are minimal. The reason is due to androgenic activity, among other things. There is nothing better than good ole natural test production for libido. But a close second is running a few hundred milligrams of testosterone in lieu of the other compounds. Phera + Test would be the best combo for libido and sense of well being. SD + Test for max size and strength.

The old Bold 200 did something fierce to my libido as did the actual Boldenone/EQ. I wish Masteron was able to be delivered orally without methylation (which is essentially what SD is). Masteron is the type that, if legalized, could be something you could run at a low dose year round with no side effects but an elevated libido, hardness & strength.
 
50mg H-Drol or 30mg Epi should be fine on the libido. Especially the H-Drol. Some might get too low in estro while on Epi to have a strong libido.
 
fueledpassion said:
50mg H-Drol or 30mg Epi should be fine on the libido. Especially the H-Drol. Some might get too low in estro while on Epi to have a strong libido.
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But I will also say that if you run:

1) IPT -141 E3D
2) Cialis @ 10mg E3D

Those two in combination it really doesn't matter what you are taking - you'll be ok. :bigok:
 
chris223 said:
Wow. Still hard to believe a retailer would do that so casually; then again, most of these guys probably don't even know what it is they're selling.
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ya i was sold SD from a supplement store a few years ago. never had heard of it but it sounded amazing haha so i took it.. i started at 30mgs, 2 weeks in bench had gone up 40lbs and 10lbs bodyweight. wasnt able to finish cuz i got in a car wreck(maybe for the best in the long run since i had no idea what i was ingesting).

but ya i saw that celtic stuff and all those supps... alot of compounds
 
TomGreen said:
ya i was sold SD from a supplement store a few years ago. never had heard of it but it sounded amazing haha so i took it.. i started at 30mgs, 2 weeks in bench had gone up 40lbs and 10lbs bodyweight. wasnt able to finish cuz i got in a car wreck(maybe for the best in the long run since i had no idea what i was ingesting).

but ya i saw that celtic stuff and all those supps... alot of compounds
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Let me know if you have any questions or need clarification
 
Hey if anyone is looking for a good tren ph look at celtictren. I wouldn't say it's the most potent stuff but it's effective very effective
 
You run it already?
 
Which is why I was curious how he could testify as to the potency of the Celtic Labs tren. Didn't know if perhaps he had a line on information that hadn't yet been widely disseminated.
 
Wilko said:
Which is why I was curious how he could testify as to the potency of the Celtic Labs tren. Didn't know if perhaps he had a line on information that hadn't yet been widely disseminated.
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perhaps he's used IBE Trenevar, however Celti-Tren is dosed much higher per cap
 
SpotmeyungLad said:
I wonder if dosing would be the same as superdrol
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i would guess conversion would be around 10-20%. its like the dosing for alpha1 and M1t. people run alpha1 at 60mg i want to meet the guy who runs M1t at 60.

the more i dig into this ph sd i feel like it will be less of a bulker and more of a recomp/cut. depending on the toxicity and the conversion rate that is. i dont see it converting at a super high rate so unless its extremely active on its own. i dont think it will get you what you get from SD.

alpha1 however is active and converts to M1t at around 10-20%. thats why its such a good bulker.

none the less i think this is going to be an awesome product. ive run sd up to 50mg before and ive run M1t up to 30mg. so i think ill be able to give it a solid rating once i get my hands on some. im really excited about there other products, im guessing its a mentabolen compound, it looked like youve labeled it as MENT but i might be reading wrong. it should be awesome and your getting way more per bottle than anyone else.

whats the word on the 2 cyano phera?
 
musclefool said:
I ran trenavar which Is the same ingredient but celtictren has a higher dosage. I got solid gains from trenavar at the minimum dosage and I staked with methyl1-d good stack kinda pricey though
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then how could you recommend it and call it effective if you havnt used it? might as well of said "hey, if you want a good tren product, try any tvar clone."
 
SpotmeyungLad said:
I wonder if dosing would be the same as superdrol
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Like the others have said, it's going to take a higher dosage to get similar results because of the conversion rate. However, it may prove to be a powerful PH in it's one right.

musclefool said:
It has higher dosage than trenavar and same ingredient so I figured......
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I would say that this is a safe assumption. Same active hormone at a higher dosage per pill. I think it's safe to say that it will be a great product. I'm thinking that a Trestobol/Celtitren stack will be a potent combination.
 
supermanjow said:
Like the others have said, it's going to take a higher dosage to get similar results because of the conversion rate. However, it may prove to be a powerful PH in it's one right.

I would say that this is a safe assumption. Same active hormone at a higher dosage per pill. I think it's safe to say that it will be a great product. I'm thinking that a Trestobol/Celtitren stack will be a potent combination.
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I was gonna run Celticmass and Celtictren. If it was anything like trenavar than I'm excited
 
I'm actually considering an Ostobol/Trestobol Stack. Since Osta has a long half life and the Trest a shorter one, I'd take Osta in the morning and Trest PWO.
 
supermanjow said:
I'm actually considering an Ostobol/Trestobol Stack. Since Osta has a long half life and the Trest a shorter one, I'd take Osta in the morning and Trest PWO.
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Nice bro good luck!
I've ran ph before and usually the dosing 2-3 a day when's the best time to take it? With trenavar I took it one hour before my work out and one in the morning and one in the afternoon. Is that a correct way of doing it??
 
That is a good way of doing it since they have shorter half lives. Most are somewhere between 4-8 hours. Trest is really short, but VERY potent. It's half-life is only around an hour, but it stays in your system for longer. Osta though has a half-life of 36 hrs. So, it would be a great companion to a compound like Trest. At least, that's what seems logical to me at the moment. We'll have to wait and see once I get a chance to run them together.
 
supermanjow said:
That is a good way of doing it since they have shorter half lives. Most are somewhere between 4-8 hours. Trest is really short, but VERY potent. It's half-life is only around an hour, but it stays in your system for longer. Osta though has a half-life of 36 hrs. So, it would be a great companion to a compound like Trest. At least, that's what seems logical to me at the moment. We'll have to wait and see once I get a chance to run them together.
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Let me know your results! Do you know the half life of celtitren and Celticmass??
 
Celticmass is really new. So, I'm going to say that that info probably isn't available. I'm not so sure about Celtitren either. I want to say that IBE had something on Trenavar that was posted in the past, but I'm not 100%.

However, I'm pretty sure that SD had a half-life around 8-9 hours. And a few other PH's I've heard of having half-lives in that same 4-8 hour range. Which is why it's a good rule of thumb to take any PH in split dosages.
 
supermanjow said:
Celticmass is really new. So, I'm going to say that that info probably isn't available. I'm not so sure about Celtitren either. I want to say that IBE had something on Trenavar that was posted in the past, but I'm not 100%.

However, I'm pretty sure that SD had a half-life around 8-9 hours. And a few other PH's I've heard of having half-lives in that same 4-8 hour range. Which is why it's a good rule of thumb to take any PH in split dosages.
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BA on phf is answering ALL questions relating to Celtic labs products
 
musclefool said:
I ran trenavar which Is the same ingredient but celtictren has a higher dosage. I got solid gains from trenavar at the minimum dosage and I staked with methyl1-d good stack kinda pricey though
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im running a similar trenavar product now x trenavar at 30mgs a pill. i wish i would have waited as this one is cheaper and you know itll be good because its new and being promoted by actual reps.

what is trestabol..i dont think iv seen this compound
 
We're still working on the effective dosing. It's not 17a alkylated so it shouldn't be too harsh. However, from an anabolic standpoint it has a fairly short oral half life. However, it is potent and will shut you down hard. It was originally being researched for male contraception at doses as little as 1.5mg. So, it's going to take some trial and error as Tvar did when it first came out.
 
csa2179 said:
i would guess conversion would be around 10-20%. its like the dosing for alpha1 and M1t. people run alpha1 at 60mg i want to meet the guy who runs M1t at 60.

the more i dig into this ph sd i feel like it will be less of a bulker and more of a recomp/cut. depending on the toxicity and the conversion rate that is. i dont see it converting at a super high rate so unless its extremely active on its own. i dont think it will get you what you get from SD.

alpha1 however is active and converts to M1t at around 10-20%. thats why its such a good bulker.

none the less i think this is going to be an awesome product. ive run sd up to 50mg before and ive run M1t up to 30mg. so i think ill be able to give it a solid rating once i get my hands on some. im really excited about there other products, im guessing its a mentabolen compound, it looked like youve labeled it as MENT but i might be reading wrong. it should be awesome and your getting way more per bottle than anyone else.

whats the word on the 2 cyano phera?
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I'd be interested to see what you're basing the 10-20% figure on. Conversion rates are generally pretty hard to nail down and some conversions are reversible making it even more complicated. In any case we really won't have solid answers until people start eating it and tell us what happens. We have a few guys that have used SD in the past trying it out soon so we should have some solid feedback in a month or so. 50mg of SD is quite a dose! Did you get bloods done after that adventure? IBE MENT is available which is the precursor to active ment/trest. Celtic Lab's Trestobol is also available for pre-order and that is active trest (requires no conversion)

2-cyano-Phera our source is still working on for us so that's gonna be a while because they have to figure out the synthesis, get us a sample, we gotta get the sample to PA to test, if that comes back good we gotta get a bulk order, then test that, then cap it, bottle it, label it and get it to retail...
 
nostrum420 said:
I'd be interested to see what you're basing the 10-20% figure on. Conversion rates are generally pretty hard to nail down and some conversions are reversible making it even more complicated. In any case we really won't have solid answers until people start eating it and tell us what happens. We have a few guys that have used SD in the past trying it out soon so we should have some solid feedback in a month or so. 50mg of SD is quite a dose! Did you get bloods done after that adventure? IBE MENT is available which is the precursor to active ment/trest. Celtic Lab's Trestobol is also available for pre-order and that is active trest (requires no conversion)

2-cyano-Phera our source is still working on for us so that's gonna be a while because they have to figure out the synthesis, get us a sample, we gotta get the sample to PA to test, if that comes back good we gotta get a bulk order, then test that, then cap it, bottle it, label it and get it to retail...
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the 10-20% is just a rough guess. if it converts at a higher rate that would be awesome but even at 10-20% youll get great results. IMHO. in no way was i trying to put this product down. im pretty excited to see whats in store from yall in the future

50mg of SD was dumb and will never do that again. 30mg of M1T was dumb and i will never do that again. i got bloods with the sd. things were not as bad as i thought. i ran it with 1g of UDCA prescription grade. but both experiences were just uncomfortable, painfull, and just not worth it. thats awesome about the Trestobol, ive got some UGL inject-able MENT that im saving for a 6-8 weeker at 50mg a day.

im game to wait on the 2-cyano Phera, from what i understand its a very difficult synth. glad yall are going for the hard stuff. ive been tempted to pick up a few bottles of Phera but its just so expensive. id just rather run a-bombs and save some money.
 
supermanjow said:
Trest is good on the libido. In fact, it's been shown to act a lot like test biologically.
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i know injectable is 50mg ed at max. what doses have your testers been using so far?
 
csa2179 said:
the 10-20% is just a rough guess. if it converts at a higher rate that would be awesome but even at 10-20% youll get great results. IMHO. in no way was i trying to put this product down. im pretty excited to see whats in store from yall in the future
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I in no way thought you were putting it down :) We really don't know how it's going to perform yet; we're hoping it gives similar gains to SD with less toxicity but that may be wishful thinking. I'm pretty excited for the future to. Just to build a little more anticipation, we're also working on a new 1-AD (the compound PA was planning to release as 1-AD v.4 but never got to...) that will hopefully be considerably stronger than the 1-androsterone clones available currently.
 
csa2179 said:
i know injectable is 50mg ed at max. what doses have your testers been using so far?
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50mg inj. 50-100mg TD much like celtic mass we don't know what oral dose will be optimal. Most users are planning to start with dosing schemes similar to those with the IBE MENT currently available.
 
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