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hoopem6 said:
Did I miss something, John... Are those not variables that might affect the overall outcome of the study?
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I was simply pointing out how accurate rodjas comment was. No one is stating recovery doesn't happen and extreme cases were usually at the hands of an idiot. These studies show what the compound is capable of.

Again, I can quote above when even me and jbry were able to agree on a very basic outlook on sd.


How many guys on here have taken SD? Wanna gamble? I bet less than 50% monitored ****, and at least 25% wouldn't even know what to look for.

You even have a user like Schwell, whose attitude towards harsh anabolics can best be summed up as "yuh bish I eat that sh!t" who stated He felt poisoned on the compound.

We have companies that made the damn compound that will call it extremely toxic. That's because it is, can we please stop trying to argue otherwise?
 
HereToStudy said:
I was simply pointing out how accurate rodjas comment was. No one is stating recovery doesn't happen and extreme cases were usually at the hands of an idiot. These studies show what the compound is capable of.

Again, I can quote above when even me and jbry were able to agree on a very basic outlook on sd.


How many guys on here have taken SD? Wanna gamble? I bet less than 50% monitored ****, and at least 25% wouldn't even know what to look for.

You even have a user like Schwell, whose attitude towards harsh anabolics can best be summed up as "yuh bish I eat that sh!t" who stated He felt poisoned on the compound.

We have companies that made the damn compound that will call it extremely toxic. That's because it is, can we please stop trying to argue otherwise?
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There was no argument. I was asking a question because I'm generally interested in ascertaining the knowledge.

Also, I fail to see how others lack of responsibility concerns me? Obviously I am putting forth a conscientious effort towards understanding Superdrol's potential dangers...

Now, minus liver toxicity, it appears AndroMass is capable of producing Superdrol-like gains and Superdrol-like sides. So, if on-cycle support is already needed to combat any other potential side-effects, how different is a single, reasonably dosed, cycle of Superdrol (with proper liver support) from a cycle of AndroMass?
 
I don't think a true comparison between andromass and SD can be determined yet until someone actually runs it (and someone that ran SD previously). It is really just all speculation at this point.
 
hoopem6 said:
There was no argument. I was asking a question because I'm generally interested in ascertaining the knowledge.

Also, I fail to see how others lack of responsibility concerns me? Obviously I am putting forth a conscientious effort towards understanding Superdrol's potential dangers...

Now, minus liver toxicity, it appears AndroMass is capable of producing Superdrol-like gains and Superdrol-like sides. So, if on-cycle support is already needed to combat any other potential side-effects, how different is a single, reasonably dosed, cycle of Superdrol (with proper liver support) from a cycle of AndroMass?
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No one can say how gains will be, but the above is extremely unlikely to be true. Test is the "cleanest" compound one can run, and supposedly this converts to test. Testosterone has the lowest "serious" sides of any AAS - no liver toxicity, and the least negative cardiovascular impact. Now, there will be some liver impact b/c this will be oral, but there is no way sides will be anywhere near SD. That ****e is toxic, period.

There is a reasonable sampling of bloodwork from test-only cycles on the web - look around. There are even more SD cycle bloods. The difference is night and day.

Bottom line, to me: if this thing can produce results like they say it can, it will justify the price tag IMO. But that's a big if.
 
Kulper1 said:
All opinions aside ...

The cheapest we can get these right now are 20% during the pre-sale ... plus 30% off if you buy 6 of each.

So that means the cheapest you can get them is for:

6 Andromass for $840 (average of $140)
6 Androhard for $336 ($56)
6 Androlean for $546 ($91)

For a total of $1,722.

Thoughts?
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Buy 4 of each then pay me the rest o the $$ for consultation since ure willing to throw away the $ might as well help me out :)
 
hoopem6 said:
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, AndroMass is essentially capable of producing Superdrol-like gains AND Superdrol-like sides (minus the liver toxicity)?

EDIT: I found this comment from T-Bone:



Dosage aside, isn't 5 1/2-6 weeks of Superdrol a bit much?
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i think comparing sd to test, or andromass if you will, is a horrible comparison, and imo was only used by pp as a marketing ploy considering the immense popularity of superdrol

superdrol is dirt cheap for a reason, its some nasty stuff, to say the sides minus heptoxicity, would be similar is retarded

test will make you feel good, better sense of well being
sd makes alot of users feel crappy, headaches, nausea and so on have been reported
test will increase libido significantly
sd can drop it
sd will not only impact one's hdl, but thrash it in alot of cases
test is alot milder in this regard
lethargy is an issue associated with sd
back pumps
high blood pressure ue to intra cellular retention....none of these are issues with test
decrease in appetite, test increase for many

i think it wasnt the best move comparing the two, other than saying gains of 15-18lbs in a cycle, and big strength increase, there i see them being similar
 
Dragon13 said:
No one can say how gains will be, but the above is extremely unlikely to be true. Test is the "cleanest" compound one can run, and supposedly this converts to test. Testosterone has the lowest "serious" sides of any AAS - no liver toxicity, and the least negative cardiovascular impact. Now, there will be some liver impact b/c this will be oral, but there is no way sides will be anywhere near SD. That ****e is toxic, period.

There is a reasonable sampling of bloodwork from test-only cycles on the web - look around. There are even more SD cycle bloods. The difference is night and day.

Bottom line, to me: if this thing can produce results like they say it can, it will justify the price tag IMO. But that's a big if.
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x2.....id rather pay 3bills for this stuff than put sd in my body, nasty stuff
(not saying id even pay $100 tho, lol, but if push came to shove)
 
hoopem6 said:
Now, minus liver toxicity, it appears AndroMass is capable of producing Superdrol-like gains and Superdrol-like sides. So, if on-cycle support is already needed to combat any other potential side-effects, how different is a single, reasonably dosed, cycle of Superdrol (with proper liver support) from a cycle of AndroMass?
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No, that's not what I was getting at. AndroMass will have nowhere near the impact on cardiovascular health as SD. The comparison is more accurate to injectable test, which is very low on cardiovascular sides. My position is to always use something for these issues such as Toco-8, and something for bp if needed, like liquid Hawthorne Berry.
 
sking6464 said:
i think comparing sd to test, or andromass if you will, is a horrible comparison, and imo was only used by pp as a marketing ploy considering the immense popularity of superdrol

superdrol is dirt cheap for a reason, its some nasty stuff, to say the sides minus heptoxicity, would be similar is retarded

test will make you feel good, better sense of well being
sd makes alot of users feel crappy, headaches, nausea and so on have been reported
test will increase libido significantly
sd can drop it
sd will not only impact one's hdl, but thrash it in alot of cases
test is alot milder in this regard
lethargy is an issue associated with sd
back pumps
high blood pressure ue to intra cellular retention....none of these are issues with test
decrease in appetite, test increase for many

i think it wasnt the best move comparing the two, other than saying gains of 15-18lbs in a cycle, and big strength increase, there i see them being similar
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Correct assessment, also our claims were "only" in comparison to gains expected, as well as the different levels in toxicity.
 
sking6464 said:
i think comparing sd to test, or andromass if you will, is a horrible comparison, and imo was only used by pp as a marketing ploy considering the immense popularity of superdrol

superdrol is dirt cheap for a reason, its some nasty stuff, to say the sides minus heptoxicity, would be similar is retarded
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Thank you, Dave and Ryan. I truly did not realize the comparison to SD was only hypothetical, which is why I posed the question in the first place.

Again, I am only asking questions out of general interest in each compound. I am by no means making concrete arguments.
 
LMFAO!!!!
What a joke...


Kulper1 said:
All opinions aside ...

The cheapest we can get these right now are 20% during the pre-sale ... plus 30% off if you buy 6 of each.

So that means the cheapest you can get them is for:

6 Andromass for $840 (average of $140)
6 Androhard for $336 ($56)
6 Androlean for $546 ($91)

For a total of $1,722.

Thoughts?
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hoopem6 said:
Thank you, Dave and Ryan. I truly did not realize the comparison to SD was only hypothetical, which is why I posed the question in the first place.

Again, I am only asking questions out of general interest in each compound. I am by no means making concrete arguments.
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For better or worse, SD is pretty much the barometer of measuring an orals efficacy in the current market.
 
You know what ... those prices are actually wrong. I just communicated with their customer service team (unprofessional I may add) & they cannot combine the 20% & 30% off coupons. So the best you can do is actually:

Andromass: $140
Androhard: $91
Androlean: $56

WOW! I would absolutely love to try these products ... I actually contemplated getting 6 of each but was told you cannot combine the discounts & they were not willing to budge on a discount for order 18 bottles (>$1700 worth of product.)
 
Rodja said:
For better or worse, SD is pretty much the barometer of measuring an orals efficacy in the current market.
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I agree. As undeniable as the side effects are, so is the effectiveness of Superdrol.
If AndroMass does, indeed, turn out to be as effective as SD, but much safer, then it may be worth the price. But that has yet to be determined. Only time will tell...
 
yall are BLAZED/delusional.

you're saying andromass has the potency of SD, but the side effects of Test?

its gonna be sweet, im gonna run andromass for 14 weeks straight and im gonna put on about 45-60lbs of pure muscle
 
soontobbeast said:
yall are BLAZED/delusional.

you're saying andromass has the potency of SD, but the side effects of Test?

its gonna be sweet, im gonna run andromass for 14 weeks straight and im gonna put on about 45-60lbs of pure muscle
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I don't think Primordial Performance would lie to us ... do you?
 
I can totally accept the safety profile of AndroMass. It's the effectiveness that needs to be verified through actual use...
 
andro mass is a combination of a 2 step ph to testosterone, and a 2 step ph to 5a reduced boldenone, aka, 1-testosterone.

everyone is talking about testosterone, but no one it seems, is thinking about the 1-testosterone, a dht derivative.
 
Rodja said:
For better or worse, SD is pretty much the barometer of measuring an orals efficacy in the current market.
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or worse.

I've never been willing to put myself through SD. I don't care what the potential for gains is.

I'm glad we may have an alternative. I will definitely be following CM's log.
 
jbryand101b said:
andro mass is a combination of a 2 step ph to testosterone, and a 2 step ph to 5a reduced boldenone, aka, 1-testosterone.

everyone is talking about testosterone, but no one it seems, is thinking about the 1-testosterone, a dht derivative.
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While technically true, it is a bit misleading due to the fact that when people think DHT, they think a high rate androgenic rate and not a high anabolic rate. With 1T (dihydoboldenone), you still have a steroid that is highly anabolic.
 
As is being discussed in another thread, I think the most accurate description of AndroMass is that it's a PH to the old school 1AD/4AD stack. Not a bad thing, actually.
 
HereToStudy said:
After this comment, I won't respond any further. Google SD + Liver.
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ok, you are not gonna man up and admit a dose-dependent relationship between EVERYTHING and toxicity?

try breathing 100% oxygen for a month, see how that works out for you.

google binge drinking and liver
google a glass of wine a day and liver

google tylenol and liver and death
google vitamin k and dehydration
google water poisoning

google you are unreasonable.
 
ImJ2x said:
They probably dosed too high, neglected liver-protection supps, and maybe even consumed alcohol on-cycle. And still all cases resolved. [You didn't see that coming, did you, Mr. Smartypants?]
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now THIS is a reasonable man.
:goodpost:
 
Kulper1 said:
You know what ... those prices are actually wrong. I just communicated with their customer service team (unprofessional I may add) & they cannot combine the 20% & 30% off coupons. So the best you can do is actually:

Andromass: $140
Androhard: $91
Androlean: $56

WOW! I would absolutely love to try these products ... I actually contemplated getting 6 of each but was told you cannot combine the discounts & they were not willing to budge on a discount for order 18 bottles (>$1700 worth of product.)
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Everytime I had to contact them, they have been very friendly and helpful. You were trying to combine the two coupons making it 50% off?? I can see how they wouldnt help you with that
 
Actually 20 percent off and 30 percent off doesn't make 50 percent and no where did they say that the coupon if you buy 6 replaces the pre-sale coupon. So, I wouldn't blame it on me I would blame it on the company not being clear with their customers. Also, it's not unreasonable to think you would discount a 200 supplement to a still very unreasonable number.
 
Also unprofessional has nothing to do with complying with my request for a discount. It has to do with talking to me the very opposite I speak to my customers. But thanks for your input:)
 
Kulper1 said:
Also unprofessional has nothing to do with complying with my request for a discount. It has to do with talking to me the very opposite I speak to my customers. But thanks for your input:)
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I try to help man...it just makes sense that if you buy 6 or more you are receiving only the 30%..but Im sure they took care of you with some sort of compensation..good luck with your cycle!! 18 bottles would have been a great log to follow :)
 
I'll agree to disagree - it's not important enough.

I wanted to do a crazy fall log of at least 12 weeks after some REAL fun this spring.

Who knows, maybe it'll still happen:)
 
Kulper1 said:
I'll agree to disagree - it's not important enough.

I wanted to do a crazy fall log of at least 12 weeks after some REAL fun this spring.

Who knows, maybe it'll still happen:)
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That would be sick man..Yeah I am just counting down the days until my order gets shipped..
 
Wow you really use outside logic to support a bad argument. There are numerous cases of liver issues from sd usage, and that is from a very small sample size. What percentage of water drinkers have issues? What a joke of an argument.
 
Rodja said:
While technically true, it is a bit misleading due to the fact that when people think DHT, they think a high rate androgenic rate and not a high anabolic rate. With 1T (dihydoboldenone), you still have a steroid that is highly anabolic.
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1-test is twice as anabolics as test, and just as androgenic, which is a favorable thing.

but I suggest those who are looking into 1-test to research it thoroughly.

it isn't testosterone.
 
HereToStudy said:
Wow you really use outside logic to support a bad argument. There are numerous cases of liver issues from sd usage, and that is from a very small sample size. What percentage of water drinkers have issues? What a joke of an argument.
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actually, water can kill you if you take in too much too fast.
same with superdrol.

you just don't want to admit to the fact that this small sample size of jaundiced sd users likely made a lot of other mistakes that contributed to their problems.

if you did so, then you could not maintain your moses from the mountain-top deliver you from evil pp rep stance about a month on a compound that
for one
is still unproven
and for another
will require the same sorts of support and pct and further cycles of something or other to keep the gains in the first place
as would a (responsible) cycle of superdrol.

frankly, as far as i am concerned, i will take the slow safe way
to maintainable gains...
10mg of sd a day dosed in the morning pre workout is plenty.

when andro mass comes down, or a reasonably priced clone appears, i will
certainly
run it
and if it works like it is supposed to work,
for 8 weeks, likely at a lower dose.
and maybe run a methyl on top of that.

but, come on, i think that you got your company rep blinders on
not letting go of this
superdrol WILL kill you and we have the only best answer
thing...

best of luck, hts...
seriously.
i hope your stuff works like it says and you can retire early
to study argumentation.
maybe take a course under me...
that would be good for you.
 
Honestly I would feel like I wasn't gettin my moneys worth taking a class from someone that can't read.

Please link me to where I stated SD will kill you.

Please link me to where I denied water could kill you.

When your done looking around confused oh wise teacher, take a step back and read the rest of this post.

I stated that comparing the fact that water could cause death was a bull**** argument and it still is. The ratio of people who have had damage as a result of water usage compared to the ratio of people who have had liver damage compared to those who have used it is not even close to comparable. That's because sd is toxic and water is not.

I also never stated that sd would kill you, although at a certain point it would, but I'm not sure we have had anyone that stupid yet. I also never even stated I am against sd, certainly not orals. I have a bottle of sd (sd-lv of course) that I will eventually use. I will also be kicking off this andromass cycle with oral turinabol.

However my argument that SD is insanely toxic and running a safer compound such as AndroMass is still a wiser decision still stands. So when your done trying to play forum all star and master debater, calm down go run your sd, eat up and get some rest.
 
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