Did you really call me lazy?
Well it took you about a week to muster the energy to reply in my thread, didn't it? :bruce2:Did you really call me lazy?
Thanks for the advice and comments!hey Grunt! Lookin' good and huge. If I were to have any suggestions it would be to focus a bit more on your chest and traps...By no means are they small but in comparison to the other body parts and their super sized look. they look a bit smaller.
I was on one of my annual "retirements"Well it took you about a week to muster the energy to reply in my thread, didn't it? :bruce2:
Snugglepussy!Ubi!!!
what is your cut layout?Just started my cut this morning. 8 weeks of starving madness.
My diet will be pretty strict. Here is more or less what I intend, wiht some variations and tweaking:what is your cut layout?
Well, phera never did anything at all to my BP bro, so on that front I'm OK. As for the AAS, yes, it is overkill, although much higher doses have been run without adverse effects. And I'd rather overkill than lose some of that recently acquired LBM. It's not like test & eq are expensive or anything... I'll be watching my BP... That *IS* your main concern is it not?haha toast and cereal.. what a nerd.
You sure you don't have enough Test and Bold? christ.
My friend, I bet you 300 canadian dollars that you can get the same results with a fraction of that anabolic steroids dose. I care about you.
I also think Phera coupled with Clen is asking for some Left ventricle hypertrophy.
Albuterol didn't do anything for me.why no typical cutters in that cycle as far as the oral and injectables? No AI for the bloat?
Oh I fully understand where you are coming from with the precontest thing. I just wasnt aware of your specific time-fames. Well everyone reacts differently to different compounds. I say that if you have confidence in your plan, then I wish you luck and Im sure you will succeed. You are dedicated and like you said I do not doubt your will power.Albuterol didn't do anything for me.
AI - yeah 2.5mg letro ED
And cutters, you mean hardeners like tren, winny? Well, to be honest, I really don't think these hormones do much at all for actually CUTTING. They do make you harder, yes. But IMO that is more psychological and transient than the actual cutting that you are doing.
I can't stand winny. My liver doesn't like it. I am saving tren for a lean bulk later on. I don't have access to primo ATM but I plan on running it long and hard on my upcoming recomp. Masteron I am (obviously?) saving for contest prep along with var. Test is my base and then EQ is a good anabolic for cutting. It doesn't make me hungrier. Not that it would change anything, I eat what I eat and that's that. Willpower is not a question for me. I do what is needed.
It seems like a good idea to me to cut sharply at this point in order to go into a recomp mode for a few months before going into actual contest preparation. If I cut more gently, I have no time for tweaking my physique by adding to the lagging bodyparts. And right now I am too blurry to see exactly where I stand. Plus, I need some degree of definition in order to begin learning and practicing posing.
So it's more a precontes strategy than simply trying to look good for the spring/summer kind of deal...
i would just choose between the phera and clen for starters. And since cutting I would opt for clen over the phera... I think both combined may just be too risky.Now you guys got me thinking about my cycle and I think I should do an all-test cut. 3500mg all the way through.
I probably will. I won't stay on tren long though, and I plan on recomping for a good 6 months leading up to the November contest. Since tren is the king of recomp drugs, along with primo, I intend on running high dose primo and doing at least a couple runs with tren in there. With slightly above-maintenance calories and a few early-morning cardio sessions a week, I foresee greatness.okay, yeah i meant hardeners or the traditional steroids that are used with cuts.
I guess you are saving the goods for later, masteron and var, i like the sound of that. I dont know why you save the tren tho?...why not use with the masteron and var before contest?
What do you mean risky? Phera does nothing to my blood pressure.i would just choose between the phera and clen for starters. And since cutting I would opt for clen over the phera... I think both combined may just be too risky.
as long as the estrogen conversion is in check. thats alot of aromatizing going on!!!3500mg test should provide a very good thermogenic, fat-burning effect.
Well for a long time I thought I had gyno, but it turns out I just get fat there more than elsewhere. Anyway, with that going on, I have always been paranoid about gyno and have always used AI's. I probably overuse them. That high dose of letro will up in a heartbeat the moment I see some water.i was staring at your nips :twisted: i notice you have no signs of gyno or puffiness. Pretty ****ing amazing considering the dosages you take and prior use! Have you always preferred AI on cycle over SERM and what compound?
what doses of arimidex have you used successfully in preventing estro sides whit 1+g test?Well for a long time I thought I had gyno, but it turns out I just get fat there more than elsewhere. Anyway, with that going on, I have always been paranoid about gyno and have always used AI's. I probably overuse them. That high dose of letro will up in a heartbeat the moment I see some water.
Up to about 2g test, I use arimidex but above that I prefer letrozole.
its not so much a BP issue but there are medical studies showing that DMT can thicken the wall of the hear since it can bind to receptors in the heart and build up muscle there too. Im guesing the reason they are worried is cause clen can do it too?What do you mean risky? Phera does nothing to my blood pressure.
blah blah blah blah who's the old man? lolYeah, that's what I was talking about regarding the left ventricle.
Grunt is a smartie pants, so I'm sure he's good, I just know that I like to order a lot more food at a table than I would normally be willing to eat.
I still bet you 300 canadian dollars that you can achieve the same comparative results with a SMALL fraction of the dose and also eliminating a few compounds.
When I used to dabble, I had tried ridiculous doses, and very long durations. The ridiculous doses only upped the sides, not the gains. The longer durations only upped the suppression, (albeit trained my body to handle the weight and keep it after post cycle therapy).
I don't really talk about anabolic steroids anymore due to the simple fact I've turned a new leaf, and to be honest am feeling rusty. I also feel that a great majority of members here are young developing trainees and it is very easy to sway them to the exogenous side of the fence, which in my mind is not conducive to learning how to train and eat properly.
Now, I know you know how to do that, and I know you are experienced, but I still say my bet is on the table, you can achieve great results with MUCH less.
I'll get off my soapbox for now, but the main concern I had was your pretty pretty little Quebecois heart.
Turned a new leaf ? What caused that to happen ?Yeah, that's what I was talking about regarding the left ventricle.
Grunt is a smartie pants, so I'm sure he's good, I just know that I like to order a lot more food at a table than I would normally be willing to eat.
I still bet you 300 canadian dollars that you can achieve the same comparative results with a SMALL fraction of the dose and also eliminating a few compounds.
When I used to dabble, I had tried ridiculous doses, and very long durations. The ridiculous doses only upped the sides, not the gains. The longer durations only upped the suppression, (albeit trained my body to handle the weight and keep it after post cycle therapy).
I don't really talk about anabolic steroids anymore due to the simple fact I've turned a new leaf, and to be honest am feeling rusty. I also feel that a great majority of members here are young developing trainees and it is very easy to sway them to the exogenous side of the fence, which in my mind is not conducive to learning how to train and eat properly.
Now, I know you know how to do that, and I know you are experienced, but I still say my bet is on the table, you can achieve great results with MUCH less.
I'll get off my soapbox for now, but the main concern I had was your pretty pretty little Quebecois heart.
You mean going Natty? Health reasons, I didn't like sweating and breathing heavily. I prefer to be agile like a sexy cat of the night, in a chocolate trampoline city. Plus it doesn't work with my hobbies, I train BJJ/ some MMA and plan on competing.Turned a new leaf ? What caused that to happen ?
You make a good point about consolidating and maintaining gains. Personally, I think your Test/Bold dosage is probably more than suffice to keep you anabolic despite kcal deficit. I'd drop the clen while taking Test and Bold. I'd also drop your letro to 1.25 EOD, your looking for control/prevention not erradication of estrogen. You can always increase as needed.I'll go cautious.
1750mg test / week. I mean, those are new gains I'm trying to protect through a deep calorie deficit...
Now, because you THINK I'm able to achieve similar results with a lot less, doesn't mean you're right. But what adjustments would you suggest? Dropping clen altogether?
personally with that kind of caloric deficit and dosages like j21 said, I dont think you NEED clen OR phera. I mean like you said grunt it doesnt mean it will work as well without them, but you'll just have to weigh the POSSIBLE con's of their use vs. their supposed benefit.You make a good point about consolidating and maintaining gains. Personally, I think your Test/Bold dosage is probably more than suffice to keep you anabolic despite kcal deficit. I'd drop the clen while taking Test and Bold. I'd also drop your letro to 1.25 EOD, your looking for control/prevention not erradication of estrogen. You can always increase as needed.
T3 is not catabolic, although it does give a very good impression of being so. But it is not. It merely temporarily depletes you and makes you weak. But it is transient.grunt you need to up your calories bud. If you only take in that many calories you may loose some muscle with the T3 and Clen. T3 will shed you like crazy
Agreed, T3 will only be catabolic in a calorie deficit otherwise it will just increase protein synthesis (actually will increase synthesis of all macronutrients) in surplus. Clenbuterol works by altering utilization of glucose as well as increasing body temperature.T3 is not catabolic, although it does give a very good impression of being so. But it is not. It merely temporarily depletes you and makes you weak. But it is transient.
Still, the calorie deficit itself is catabolic. Clen compensates for the deficit by freeing up fats in the bloodstream, creating a "more food than there really is" effect.
so then likely the use of T3 when on a slight caloric deficit WITHOUT anabolics does little more than increase the total caloric expenditure per day correct? therefore increasing the deficit?Agreed, T3 will only be catabolic in a calorie deficit otherwise it will just increase protein synthesis (actually will increase synthesis of all macronutrients) in surplus. Clenbuterol works by altering utilization of glucose as well as increasing body temperature.
Here is the reality, you cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same time. The anabolic steroids you are taking will keep you anabolic.
Precisely.so then likely the use of T3 when on a slight caloric deficit WITHOUT anabolics does little more than increase the total caloric expenditure per day correct? therefore increasing the deficit?
so in that sense it would most likely be catabolic.... just making sure..thanksPrecisely.
Yes, when you increase body temperature and metabolism while increasing macronutrient synthesis all while in a calorie deficit you will catabolic.so in that sense it would most likely be catabolic.... just making sure..thanks
Calorie deficits are catabolic. That has nothing to do with T3 itself.so in that sense it would most likely be catabolic.... just making sure..thanks
I meant... "Clen PARTIALLY compensates..."T3 is not catabolic, although it does give a very good impression of being so. But it is not. It merely temporarily depletes you and makes you weak. But it is transient.
Still, the calorie deficit itself is catabolic. Clen compensates for the deficit by freeing up fats in the bloodstream, creating a "more food than there really is" effect.
Actually, if you were at maintenance calorie intake and then started T3 you would create a deficit by increasing your metabolic rate.Calorie deficits are catabolic. That has nothing to do with T3 itself.
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