New Ar1macare Pro formula Vs. Old Ar1macare Pro

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Guys I am about to start an Andro Cycle soon and was wondering which Ar1macare Pro to use as a support the new formula or the old one.

I know Arimistane is not really effective as an anti estrogen but the new formula is also missing Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid and I am not too sure how effective Elimistane Luteolin is as an anti estrogen

I am attaching the supplement facts panel for your reference

would be great if you guys could give your inputs.
 

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New formula.

OL wouldn’t reformulate to put out a worse product
 
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the old got more NAC ...but the new got milk thistle
 

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I still have my doubts on the new formula as I feel that the older one was a bit more comprehensive as a cycle support and the new formula is more of a standalone (general use) supplement which people can use even while they are not on a cycle.
 

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I still have my doubts on the new formula as I feel that the older one was a bit more comprehensive as a cycle support and the new formula is more of a standalone (general use) supplement which people can use even while they are not on a cycle.
What specifically do you like better about the older product?
 

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I wish they kept the CoQ10, but I guess it's cheap enough to add myself.
 

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Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid

Also I am not too sure how effective Elimistane Luteolin is as an anti estrogen
You could potentially compare the IC50 of both as AI’s. There’s probably more at play then just this, though
 
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Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid

Also I am not too sure how effective Elimistane Luteolin is as an anti estrogen
a lot of people bought elimistane when it was on sale, be on the lookout for reviews...should be some coming soon.
 
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Abieta-8,11,13-trien-18-oic acid

Also I am not too sure how effective Elimistane Luteolin is as an anti estrogen
Its still in there - double the dose as the old one ;)
 
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its just labeled differently but its in there and the new ai is way more promising than the petri dish studied stuff.
 

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its just labeled differently but its in there and the new ai is way more promising than the petri dish studied stuff.
Just wondering what is it labelled as.... I can see pine bark extract twice on the facts panel....
 
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its just labeled differently but its in there and the new ai is way more promising than the petri dish studied stuff.
I can vouch for the new AI...i'm using sup3r pct and am pleasantly surprised by the strength of elimistane!!!
 

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I can vouch for the new AI...i'm using sup3r pct and am pleasantly surprised by the strength of elimistane!!!
What cycle did you run?

And what do you mean by “strength of Elimistane” sorry I’m asking too many questions as I’m pretty new to all this...
 

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Just wondering what is it labelled as.... I can see pine bark extract twice on the facts panel....
Pine Bark Extract, which probably contains the abieta. PES labeled one of the Erase Pro versions similarly back in the day
 

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But it doesn’t make sense....why call Abieta Pine Bark Extract...
 

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But it doesn’t make sense....why call Abieta Pine Bark Extract...
The question I’m assuming you mean to ask is why isn’t OL stating what % abieta is being standardized for in the pine bark extract. I don’t know the answer to that.
 

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because it is a naturally occurring constituent of pine bark extract.
Are you guys able to tell us the percentage of abieta contained in the pine bark? I’m assuming since other competitors haven’t, there really isn’t a need but would be good to know. NoAddedHmones stated it’s double the dose as before, and originally it was 100mg, but I would figure if you’re using a pine bark that is nearly 100% extracted for abieta then you’d put that on the label.
 

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