Nettle Root
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meowmeow
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Robboe said:
That’s not completely true. A couple of months ago I had Life Extension’s “Male LE Panel” bloodwork done which tested for Free Testosterone among other things. I then began taking 2 capsules per day of Solaray brand of Nettle Root which is comprised of 300mg of Root extract and 150mg of Nettle Root per capsule. Within the first day I began to feel a libido boost which remained for about 10 days. I continued dosage for two more weeks (three weeks total). I then retested with Life Extension. The results indicated a moderate increase in Free Testosterone.
There is a medical study examining Nettle Root ligans of which you are no doubt familiar which found 10 ligans out of 11 have an affinity to bind to human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). However one ligan in particular I believe was better by a factor of 10. That ligan is the one you have claimed to have isolated and included in supra-dosage in your product. So your product should work better than Nettle Root.
From my limited examination of Nettle Root it appears that it is adaptagenic (meaning it can restore Free Testosterone to a “normal” or balanced level but not beyond). Have you any indication whether your product Activate (w/ the isolated ligan) is capable of pushing Free Testosterone to above “normal” levels?
Thank you for bringing out such a high quality botanical product. I think I would like to give it a try.
WheyGood
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meowmeow said:
Interesting thread. Nettle Root seems to have a lot of positive properties in addition to it's effects on free testosterone.
I came across a writeup of Nettle Root that said this:
"The prostate gland also benefits from nettle root. In Germany, nettle root has been used as a treatment for benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlargement of the prostate gland) for decades. A metabolite of testosterone called dihydrotestosterone (DHT) stimulates prostate growth, leading to enlargement. Nettle root inhibits the binding of DHT to attachment sites on the prostate membrane."
I have been drinking Nettle Tea lately because I've had a cold w/ congestion that seems to be lingering for weeks. It is supposed to help improve upper respiratory health.
Robboe
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Is that right, yeah? ten out of eleven? I think i have that paper but i've not read it myself. Brian (shadowjack) will have though. I'll not lie, the only stuff i've read is on divanil due to the product.meowmeow said:
Someone had a theory on avant that one of the lignans found in nettle root my oppose the effects of divanil, but i've not been able to locate it with the avant forum shuffle and the fact that the search function there doesn't work.
We've had people do bloodwork showing anything between 30-60% increases in free testosterone from baseline. I have 23 of them saved somewhere, but i'm sure there are 2-3 more than i've been kicking myself for not saving anywhere.
(the 60% result was on this board [AM.com]).
And the anecdotal reports have been phenomenal.
jkeithc82
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Niko said:
LOL it's a cartoon series from David Firth called Salad Fingers. It is a very messed up, psychotic series and there was one episode entitled "Nettles" that I just couldn't resist posting. The other videos from that series (there's about 7 of them) are also extremely twisted.
meowmeow
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Robboe said:
Wow that is impessive. My bloodwork showed only an increase of about 6% from the Nettle Root alone. That was statisticly significant but no where near the levels you are reporting for Activate.
It would be interesting to run Activate for 6 months and measure Free Test before starting and at intervals of 1 month to see if the increase can be sustained.
I'll be honest and say it is the libido increase that most interests me...so when I get some time I will have to give Activate a go.
wastedwhiteboy2
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it would be great to see some powder
springch
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meowmeow
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doggzj said:
You, doggzj are very much mistaken . Nettle root has been used for its ability to increase free testosterone and promoted by places such as Life Extension for many years now. Sledge did NOT identify the divanillyltetrahydrofuran ligan of Nettle Root nor did he discover its potency. That has been known for almost a decade.
See Schuttner M. et al. "Ligans from the roots of Urtica Dioica and their Metabolites Bind to Human Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)," Planta Medicine, 63(6):529 32, Dec. 1997
In test tube studies, the researchers found that all ligans except one, developed a "binding affinity" to SHBG in the test-tube. One ligan, divanillyltetrahydrofuran was found to be "oustandingly high" in its binding affinity.
Sledge just sought to capitalize on the work done by others. I say good for him. By most accounts his product is very good and reasonably priced. But that shouldn't preclude others from seeking their own more economical or more potent source...whatever the case may be.
BigVrunga
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doggjz, that's Capitalism.
I love DS' products and I recommend them to my friends constantly. I also buy them myself frequently. However, if I have a chance, I always buy bulk. One, to save money and two, because i like making my own custom blends and encapsulating them myself.
If DS felt that he needed to compete with someone offering bulk Divanil, he could always offer the bulk powder as well.
Buy purchasing bulk powder from CNW, you are supporting a board sponsor and saving yourself money at the expense of the time that it takes to measure can encapsulate bulk powders. He is catering to a small audience who prefers to homebrew, and is not harming DS' sales in anyway.
bV
Grassroots082
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Plus eating raw powders aren't for everybody :twisted:
ifrag
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doggzj said:
Like the others said, thats just capitalisim. Im sure the other smaller companies that did the cheaper superdrol/pheraplex/ergo.. etc releases will soon start selling their own relabled version. If anything they will be the ones to take a meaningful chunk out of DS's business.. not some privateer like me.
with that said, im looking forward to seeing customs release of the bulk powder.
doggzj
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meowmeow said:
You, meowmeow, are very much mistaken. I clearly stated that he found and brought it to market, not that he developed it. I personally used Nettle Root before ActivaTe was even released. If it was not for DS and the press and publicity they have brought this compound, then this thread would never even exsist.
Go head, find a discussion of this chemical before 2005.
I'm still waiting... :yawn: :yawn:
doggzj
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ifrag said:
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
You are missing my point completely. Of course the raw powder is going to be sold, I'm not even debating that. The point was that seeing old AM members trying to hurt DS, who is one of the big reasons this board has blown up, makes me sick.
BigVrunga
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I dont see how I would 'hurt' DS by wanting to buy a supplement in bulk. Like I said, if they thought it would compete with them they could sell the bulk powder themselves. You dont understand.
Ive been here for a long time, I thoroughly support all of our board sponsors and as long as they have what I need, I spend my money with them. CNW is also a board sponsor, and has been here since the beginning - I buy a lot of my bulk supplies from him.
If I were to order a bunch of Divanil for myself and start capping it up and selling it to compete with Activate, then yes I can see how that would be taking business from DS, which is something I wouldnt do.
Offering a product in bulk caters to the small crowd that likes to homebrew their own supplement blends. Take look through customs bulk catalog and youll find plenty of bulk products that other board sponsors sell with a brand name already encapsulated. Is it hurting their business? I dont think so. This argument has come up before when Custom offered bulk Cissus - I dont see USPLabs starting to go under. In fact, he's doing better than ever and I will continue to support him and so will many others.
You need to relax. No one is 'trying to hurt' anyone here, especially a trusted sponsor of AnabolicMinds that we all respect and appreciate.
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