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Nettle root with letro or adex

small_guy

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During my 'off' period I was going to try and use an AI to up my test levels and nettle root to raise my free test.

I was curious to dosing suggestions/protocols for AI usage?
 
Arimidex after a cycle is a poor choice...it works to prevent the formation of estrogen via aromatization....since you arent on cycle, there wont be any aromatization. Nolva would be better in your situation as it will simply compete at the receptor site and hinder it from binding....

holy
 
holyintellect said:
Arimidex after a cycle is a poor choice...it works to prevent the formation of estrogen via aromatization....since you arent on cycle, there wont be any aromatization. Nolva would be better in your situation as it will simply compete at the receptor site and hinder it from binding....

holy
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huh? you dont know what you're talking about.

"there won't be any aromatization"??? how about that of your natural testosterone? the suppression of your naturally produced E will generally increase free T levels.

i like using an AI off-cycle...but i personally recommend sticking with the milder ones like 6OXO, formestane and such....i find adex, letro and even ATD to be too strong/harsh.

nolva/clomid are not bad choices either...in fact 25mg clomid long-term is an effective HRT in some people.
 
I recall seeing research that should that letro increased test levels. Your body reacts to the low level of estrogen by trying to make more test and hence more estrogen.

Just not certain on the dose and if I should do it ed, e2d or e3d. I am leaning towards e3d with a low dose of letro.
 
small_guy said:
I recall seeing research that should that letro increased test levels. Your body reacts to the low level of estrogen by trying to make more test and hence more estrogen.

Just not certain on the dose and if I should do it ed, e2d or e3d. I am leaning towards e3d with a low dose of letro.
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what are you people talking about????

you make as much sense as the last guy. by your logic, an AI would increase estrogen...it doesnt.

letro @ E3D is a mistake, IMHO. the E swings are too pronounced.

i'm done in this forum. you kids need to read and understand more and post/experiment less.
 
All AIs will increase LH ans FSH.

with nettle root you should look into TESTOSTOLYZE by SPECIES NUTRITION. it will block aromatization and DHT formation, both of which happen when an increase in test levels occur
 
SOLARUS said:
huh? you dont know what you're talking about.

"there won't be any aromatization"??? how about that of your natural testosterone? the suppression of your naturally produced E will generally increase free T levels.

i like using an AI off-cycle...but i personally recommend sticking with the milder ones like 6OXO, formestane and such....i find adex, letro and even ATD to be too strong/harsh.

nolva/clomid are not bad choices either...in fact 25mg clomid long-term is an effective HRT in some people.
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no holy is completely right. ur own testosterone does not aromatize since it is your own naturally produced by your body. An AI only blocks estrogen and keeps it from getting to higher levels while using it. your testosterone blood/base line will never really increase, just your free test which will look like it has increased in comparison to the suppressed estrogen. nolva would be the best option. adex is primarily on cycle, like holy said, to combat increased aromatization and water retention by such compounds as for example Test E. letro is better for treating gyno i believe. but hey to each his own....
 
bigpapa said:
no holy is completely right. ur own testosterone does not aromatize since it is your own naturally produced by your body. An AI only blocks estrogen and keeps it from getting to higher levels while using it. your testosterone blood/base line will never really increase, just your free test which will look like it has increased in comparison to the suppressed estrogen. nolva would be the best option. adex is primarily on cycle, like holy said, to combat increased aromatization and water retention by such compounds as for example Test E. letro is better for treating gyno i believe. but hey to each his own....
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there is always some form of aromatization, its the amount that occurs that will vary. but when you free up testosterone making it more active there MAY be more aromatization due to higher free test levels (which is higher then you normal physiological amount , which will then aromatize to keep a balance.)
 
SOLARUS said:
what are you people talking about????

you make as much sense as the last guy. by your logic, an AI would increase estrogen...it doesnt.

letro @ E3D is a mistake, IMHO. the E swings are too pronounced.

i'm done in this forum. you kids need to read and understand more and post/experiment less.
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Harsh tone!!! I am hardly a kid(33 years). Plus pct and bloodwork are done so it is not part of my pct but rather to maximize the use of nettle.

Now I am looking for advice and I am not saying that what I am thinking is correct, BUT I did not say that an AI increases estrogen but rather because estrogen is part of the negative feedback loop of the HPTA, that AIs are able to raise testosterone because estrogen is lowered and the body wants to make more estrogen by making more testosterone.

I will say that it is too bad that you are done so quickly with a forum/post as people look for advice and maybe you could learn something so that you can post more intelligently.
 
SOLARUS said:
what are you people talking about????

you make as much sense as the last guy. by your logic, an AI would increase estrogen...it doesnt.

letro @ E3D is a mistake, IMHO. the E swings are too pronounced.

i'm done in this forum. you kids need to read and understand more and post/experiment less.
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Please read this study where once a week dosing is used at max 2.5 mg dosage- I have never used 2.5 mgs of letro for AI purposes.

Have you ever even taken letro or are you just talking out of your mouth. I always dose it either e2d or e3d and am fine doing so on cycle when I use it.

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SOLARUS said:
huh? you dont know what you're talking about.

"there won't be any aromatization"??? how about that of your natural testosterone? the suppression of your naturally produced E will generally increase free T levels..
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I can assure you I do know what Im talking about, and if you honestly think the miniscule amount of aromatization that will be occurring in THE ALREADY SUPPRESSED TESTES (you did read that he was in his "off" time right?) would justify arimidex you are so off base its not even funny...

Lets go over this again...POST CYCLE, when the testes are suppressed and aromatization is minimal, arimidex is not the best choice. Nolva is better because it will still be able to block much of the remaining estrogen from binding to the receptors.




SOLARUS said:
nolva/clomid are not bad choices either...in fact 25mg clomid long-term is an effective HRT in some people.
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Wait, let me get this right...you just recommended the guy the same thing I did and yet I dont know what Im talking about?
 
holyintellect said:

I can assure you I do know what Im talking about, and if you honestly think the miniscule amount of aromatization that will be occurring in THE ALREADY SUPPRESSED TESTES (you did read that he was in his "off" time right?) would justify arimidex you are so off base its not even funny...

Lets go over this again...POST CYCLE, when the testes are suppressed and aromatization is minimal, arimidex is not the best choice. Nolva is better because it will still be able to block much of the remaining estrogen from binding to the receptors.






Wait, let me get this right...you just recommended the guy the same thing I did and yet I dont know what Im talking about?
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i personally think an AI in PCT will only aid in recovery, not only does it increase LH and FSH, but, when you come off a cycle and you start taking clomid/nolva or whatever you decide to take, your natural andrgen levels go up , and when that happens theres always some form of aromatization. and blocking that would only make recovery faster IMO

i never do post cycle therapy without an AI, i feel serms are the reason for estrogen rebound when used alone
 
crazyfool405 said:
there is always some form of aromatization, its the amount that occurs that will vary.
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Exactly..... The guy indicated he would be in his "off time", so its fairly safe to assume there is some suppression going on. There is virtually no chance he'll have enough available testosterone that it will aromatize to any degree.

holy
 
holyintellect said:
Exactly..... The guy indicated he would be in his "off time", so its fairly safe to assume there is some suppression going on. There is virtually no chance he'll have enough available testosterone that it will aromatize to any degree.

holy
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i think he means in the off time when hes done with cycle and PCT and wants to keep his levels up even after his PCT.

but as youve said before, your body has a set physiological amount of testosterone, some of which is free, if you increase that amount of free test, then there may be more aromatization, ive seen it in some divanil supps, with people getting puffy nips because of the rise in free test. adding an AI will help, also adding finisteride would help as well.
 
Okay so it would be better to use a SERM rather than an AI to bump up total test?

I have finished pct using nolva and I tried sustain alpha some time ago- cycle finished the end of june.

Was thinking of trying out nettle(really nutra's tnt) during my off period and was curious to if I could make the supp work better.
 
small_guy said:
Okay so it would be better to use a SERM rather than an AI to bump up total test?

I have finished pct using nolva and I tried sustain alpha as well. Cycle finished the end of june.

Was thinking of trying out nettle(really nutra's tnt) during my off period and was curious to if I could make the supp work better.
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you can do massFX and Reversitol or max out and hyperdrol X2

or mass FX and hyperdrol or max out and Reversitol

you may like those stacks, i think mass FX and reversitol would work really greeat together.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i never do post cycle therapy without an AI, i feel serms are the reason for estrogen rebound when used alone
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Certainly when you discontinue the nolva, there will be an estrogen rebound...we hope at that point though that the test levels have returned enough to sufficiently offset that....

In all actuality, the best "textbook" protocol would include arimidex AND nolvadex. The arimidex would certainly act as you suggest, but the nolva would work better to stop the endogenous estrogen from binding...I just think its overkill for most people.

holy
 
crazyfool405 said:
you can do massFX and Reversitol or max out and hyperdrol X2

or mass FX and hyperdrol or max out and Reversitol

you may like those stacks, i think mass FX and reversitol would work really greeat together.
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I was not planning on purchasing new products. I have the nettle(part of nutra's tnt) and letro, clomid, adex and nolva as well.
 
holyintellect said:
Certainly when you discontinue the nolva, there will be an estrogen rebound...we hope at that point though that the test levels have returned enough to sufficiently offset that....

In all actuality, the best "textbook" protocol would include arimidex AND nolvadex. The arimidex would certainly act as you suggest, but the nolva would work better to stop the endogenous estrogen from binding...I just think its overkill for most people.

holy
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nolva and arimidex have interactions where one will not work as well as it should when used together,

nolva and Aromasin would be better then nolva and Adex.

i dont think levels returning to normal will off set that because the nolva is diplacing the estrogen, and there for leaving it circulating in your body, and it wont block the aromatization of natural androgens to estrogens, so you have 2 problems

Still higher then normals levels of estradiol post cycle with insufficent testosterone for the time being

and

Natural aromatization of your increasing androgen levels into estradiol./ estrogen causing further havoc to the HPTA

when you stop the nolva these estrogens that are circulating can "flood" the receptors causeing a problem with gyno.
 
okay, I am going to bump this. I am definitly fine with just using the nettle by itself, but I was curious to if using an AI or SERM would make this product better as one would have higher levels of testosterone.
 
Why would 6 bromo be better- I do not understand that part.

Plus I do not have 6 bromo and I am not certain if supp companies have issues with that product clearing customs into canada- just saying that it may be an issue to get?
 
small_guy said:
Why would 6 bromo be better- I do not understand that part.

Plus I do not have 6 bromo and I am not certain if supp companies have issues with that product clearing customs into canada- just saying that it may be an issue to get?
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its better then letro, the beta isomer will eliminate 70-80% of estro, not 90

and the alpha isomer will eliminate a little more then 80 percent, but a little faster.

you can do adex which would be better as well because it doesnt eliminate ALL estrogen (letro will up to 98% )
 
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