Unanswered Natural Supplement Stack Suggestions for a 22 Year Old

anabolicanth

anabolicanth

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Wondering what you guys would suggest for a natural supplement stack for a 22 year old, I'm pretty serious about my training and not too phased as to what the total stack would cost. I currently run a pretty standard (Protein, BCAA, Zinc+Magnesium, Fish oil) Having a break from Creatine monohydrate for the moment. I recognise that most natural, legal supplements won't cause huge gains but I'm always looking to improve my physique. Focusing on strength and size for the moment.

I tried Sns x-gels a few years ago and noticed that my joints were pretty much immediately inflammed and sore, so I stopped taking the gels before too long. The pain hung around and I think it attributed to some patella tendonitis. I was bulking and alot heavier at the time which probably didn't help but the pain/inflammation wasn't something I experienced prior to taking the supplement.

Anyhow I see alot of people swearing by it so I might be willing to try it again just wondering what I could take or do to prevent that happening again? Taking fish oils or joint supplements would defeat the purpose of using ArA? I play sport aswell so crazy joint pain isn't ideal, I don't think the benefits would outweigh the cons in my situation. Epicatechin is also something that interests me but the studies I've read some pretty inconclusive.
If there are any other supplements you guys would suggest to be added to my stack or your own stack that works great please let me know.

Sorry for the long paragraph, appreciate any help or advice. Thanks!
 
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anabolicanth said:
Wondering what you guys would suggest for a natural supplement stack for a 22 year old, I'm pretty serious about my training and not too phased as to what the total stack would cost. I currently run a pretty standard (Protein, BCAA, Zinc+Magnesium, Fish oil) Having a break from Creatine monohydrate for the moment. I recognise that most natural, legal supplements won't cause huge gains but I'm always looking to improve my physique. Focusing on strength and size for the moment.

I tried Sns x-gels a few years ago and noticed that my joints were pretty much immediately inflammed and sore, so I stopped taking the gels before too long. The pain hung around and I think it attributed to some patella tendonitis. I was bulking and alot heavier at the time which probably didn't help but the pain/inflammation wasn't something I experienced prior to taking the supplement.

Anyhow I see alot of people swearing by it so I might be willing to try it again just wondering what I could take or do to prevent that happening again? Taking fish oils or joint supplements would defeat the purpose of using ArA? I play sport aswell so crazy joint pain isn't ideal, I don't think the benefits would outweigh the cons in my situation. Epicatechin is also something that interests me but the studies I've read some pretty inconclusive.
If there are any other supplements you guys would suggest to be added to my stack or your own stack that works great please let me know.

Sorry for the long paragraph, appreciate any help or advice. Thanks!
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The point of ARA is the inflammation, so if it really messes with the joints, then it probably isn't for you.

If you haven't tried Follidrone 2.0 by BLR, it is a epicatechin and an ecklonia cava natural anabolic, and the first premier epicatechin product to hit the market. A lot of guys enjoy it for endurance, recomp, cutting, pump/vascularity. And then there is Vector, another natural anabolic by BLR with Korean Mistletoe at an amazing extract as the premier ingredient, along with a couple other natural anabolic ingredients.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
The point of ARA is the inflammation, so if it really messes with the joints, then it probably isn't for you.

If you haven't tried Follidrone 2.0 by BLR, it is a epicatechin and an ecklonia cava natural anabolic, and the first premier epicatechin product to hit the market. A lot of guys enjoy it for endurance, recomp, cutting, pump/vascularity. And then there is Vector, another natural anabolic by BLR with Korean Mistletoe at an amazing extract as the premier ingredient, along with a couple other natural anabolic ingredients.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if I have the balls to try it again, my inflammation was pretty severe. It's a shame because I do believe it works I just think it might not be for me.

I'll definitely look into those, I'm pretty sceptical about epicatechin, the studies I've read aren't a glowing endorsement of its muscle building properties or benefits in a bodybuilding sense but I might give it a go, it seems to be pretty well liked by the anabolic minds community. Vector seems like a decent supplement I'll do some more research on it
 
In all honesty I don’t think you need anything other than what you already use. At your age hormones are at their peak. Spend the money on quality food and a lot of it. Eat, sleep, and train hard. I seriously doubt you’re going to be happy with any gains your going to see from supplements at your age.
 
Yeah imo Xgels(ara) is one of the best stuff but not for every1.

That young i would just do Anabolic Effect or Epi-Plex (-epi) w/ a good full dosed pre workout
 
I would make sure your diet is on point and training is good. Then start with basics and see how you do. Maybe some creatine.
 
Resolve10 said:
Even if the researched is mixed I think Epicatechin is worth a trial for most people. Especially if you do sporting activities, I find a marked increase in endurance.

CEL is probably the best for just straight Epicatechin as far as a quality source, amount per bottle, and price.

Ep1logue would be my choice if looking for a comprehensive Epicatechin product. A solid dose, some Vaso6 for added pump, endurance and recovery, and the UroB extract for increased anabolism.

Alternatively CELs new Anabolic Effect looks stellar. I’m starting up a bottle this week, but the formula is top notch. The only product currently out with full dose of Korean Mistletoe, along with quite a few other promising ingredients for performance and possible anabolism.
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Yeah mate I’m happy to give it a go there dont really seem to be any side effects so it wouldn’t hurt to try it. I’m open to trying most supps just usually a bit sceptical but I think ill get some and see how it goes. So you’d recommend ep1logue the most? Cheers
 
cheftepesh1 said:
I would make sure your diet is on point and training is good. Then start with basics and see how you do. Maybe some creatine.
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Yeah they are definitely more important than any supplement. My diet and training is pretty good, I’m just a couple months in from a gym hiatus. Creatine is great but I find that it acellerates my male pattern baldness. Whenever I take it I start to notice a tonne more hair falling out. In future I’m sure I’ll go back to it, just for now I might give it a pass.
 
stock28 said:
In all honesty I don’t think you need anything other than what you already use. At your age hormones are at their peak. Spend the money on quality food and a lot of it. Eat, sleep, and train hard. I seriously doubt you’re going to be happy with any gains your going to see from supplements at your age.
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I agree mate thats always what I’ve focused on and honestly gotten great results just wondering if any other supps could compliment that, but I agree anything natural will most likely show little benefits.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Yeah imo Xgels(ara) is one of the best stuff but not for every1.

That young i would just do Anabolic Effect or Epi-Plex (-epi) w/ a good full dosed pre workout
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Yeah I’m spewing that it doesn’t go well with me. The urge to try x-gels again is there just probably not worth it for me. Great that others are getting results from it though anyhow.
 
People here have suggested some good recommendations- Follindrone and epilogue.
I'd suggest transdermal supplements Apex Alchemy has a few of them. I'm using their epicatechin TD so far it's all good.
 
How is your sleep?
 
Resolve10 said:
If you want to tease out the individual effects of epicatechin I’d go with CEL Epi-plex first (which I’ve enjoyed) as it is just epicatechin + Bioperine.

If you don’t mind “confounding” it a bit then, yes I think Ep1logue is about as good as it gets (but I’m also a fan of Vaso6 and UroB so I find it a beneficial whole formula).
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Yeah probably best to try and test epicatechin by itself or else you're not really sure what is actually providing the benefit. Seems like there is a fair few Epicatechin products on the market, more than I originally thought. Find it interesting that you never really see them in supplement shops, at least the shops that I visit.
 
If you want to focus on strength and size, maybe looking into a good training program and transition into a bulk?


I ran John meadows project colossus recently and it was excellent for strength. Follow it to a T and log the weights you are doing and you will notice strength increasing.


On the supplement side of things, one product which stands out for
Me at least, was Olympus labs or1gin. I stacked that with kings blood (test booster) and had a great run and with the way or1gin worked you could easily eat larger calorie Dense meals and feel great and not bloated or anything.


I made great size gains running that, unfortunately they stopped making it or it got rebranded so I’m not sure what it’s called now or even if it’s got the same ingredients
 
I would definitely recommend looking into anafuse. It's laxogenin and epicatechin in one supp. Ran for 8 weeks yields pretty nice results!
 
DEVANS89 said:
If you want to focus on strength and size, maybe looking into a good training program and transition into a bulk?


I ran John meadows project colossus recently and it was excellent for strength. Follow it to a T and log the weights you are doing and you will notice strength increasing.


On the supplement side of things, one product which stands out for
Me at least, was Olympus labs or1gin. I stacked that with kings blood (test booster) and had a great run and with the way or1gin worked you could easily eat larger calorie Dense meals and feel great and not bloated or anything.


I made great size gains running that, unfortunately they stopped making it or it got rebranded so I’m not sure what it’s called now or even if it’s got the same ingredients
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thanks mate ill look into it, my strength was insane at one point could 1RM 160kg on the bench press at 18. but the last couple years I've been inconsistent with the gym and my strength and size have dropped off significantly pretty depressing. Changed jobs and uni now and have more time to go hard at the gym again and have been starting to smash it again. I've actually heard of that supplement, don't know anything about it but still a shame it got discontinued.
 
LeanEngineer said:
I would definitely recommend looking into anafuse. It's laxogenin and epicatechin in one supp. Ran for 8 weeks yields pretty nice results!
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geez theres so many epicatechin products on the market, going to have a hard time narrowing it down to one. I might just have to try them all seperately over a long period of time. Thanks for the suggestion though seems like everyone is on the same page with epicatechin being a good product at least.
 
Honestly, if I could go back to when I was 22 and save all the money I spent on supplements I would. I still buy way too many but they are mostly health oriented. Outside creatine, protein, some health staples, and maybe a preworkout there is not a thing I would spend money on. But almost all supplements do very little. I agree they can be fun and motivate you a bit but that’s not worth it. Take the extra cash and buy better food like steak and continue the basics.

Some other supps people have mentioned can make a bit of a difference for people aging, closer to maxing genetic potential. But at 22, you are pretty much a hormone factory and will be getting the best gains of your life. Fuel the work with some staples and better food
 
Of all the "muscle building" supplements I've ever used, Follidrone 2.0 is my favorite.

Currently starting up a run using Follidrone 2.0 stacked with the new CEL Anabolic Effect.

For basics, make sure to get a quality Multi Vitamin, fish oils with a combined EPA/DHA of 2g+ daily and your creatine. Vitamin D would most likely beneficial but is based on your sun exposure and hard to determine what you need.
Also highly recommend Ashwagandha (KSM-66) 600mg daily. I take mine 16 weeks on 4 weeks off.
I keep SNS Reduce XT on hand to combat cortisol either from unforseen high stress levels or nights with bad sleep.

If you also want you could test some other performance supplements that are used daily such as Peak02, Betaine Anhydrous, and/or Beta-Alanine.

P.S. dose your fish oils 4 hours away from your work outs.
 
SNS X Gels
CEL Anabolic Effect
CEL Epi Plex

Enough said. If you eat on par for your goals this is as good as you can get for natty products. Products that have stood the test of time and the new and wildly popular Anabolic Effect. I can’t wait to run it for my bulk this winter
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Honestly, if I could go back to when I was 22 and save all the money I spent on supplements I would. I still buy way too many but they are mostly health oriented. Outside creatine, protein, some health staples, and maybe a preworkout there is not a thing I would spend money on. But almost all supplements do very little. I agree they can be fun and motivate you a bit but that’s not worth it. Take the extra cash and buy better food like steak and continue the basics.

Some other supps people have mentioned can make a bit of a difference for people aging, closer to maxing genetic potential. But at 22, you are pretty much a hormone factory and will be getting the best gains of your life. Fuel the work with some staples and better food
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I agree mate test level wise I'll never be better, I guess I'm always interested in ways I can get that slight bit of benefit, I generally don't mind spending a bit of money if it's for my body/health. I do agree though that the cost vs actual results of most natural supps is really not worth it. Diet, training and sleep will always be far more important and I recognise that I guess my interest is always piqued when I see certain products getting good reviews by alot of users. Thanks though
 
Em3 said:
Of all the "muscle building" supplements I've ever used, Follidrone 2.0 is my favorite.

Currently starting up a run using Follidrone 2.0 stacked with the new CEL Anabolic Effect.

For basics, make sure to get a quality Multi Vitamin, fish oils with a combined EPA/DHA of 2g+ daily and your creatine. Vitamin D would most likely beneficial but is based on your sun exposure and hard to determine what you need.
Also highly recommend Ashwagandha (KSM-66) 600mg daily. I take mine 16 weeks on 4 weeks off.
I keep SNS Reduce XT on hand to combat cortisol either from unforseen high stress levels or nights with bad sleep.

If you also want you could test some other performance supplements that are used daily such as Peak02, Betaine Anhydrous, and/or Beta-Alanine.

P.S. dose your fish oils 4 hours away from your work outs.
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That's some good advice there mate, I guess the other problem is running too many supps and not being able to differentiate between what is working at what isn't. I'm definitely interested in trying a few of those you mentioned individually. Reading up on Ashwagandha it seems like a great health supplement. I think I'll give it a try. Is there any reason why you cycle it? And would that be another supplement you dose far away from your workouts due to its potential anti-inflammatory properties? Thanks mate
 
anabolicanth said:
That's some good advice there mate, I guess the other problem is running too many supps and not being able to differentiate between what is working at what isn't. I'm definitely interested in trying a few of those you mentioned individually. Reading up on Ashwagandha it seems like a great health supplement. I think I'll give it a try. Is there any reason why you cycle it? And would that be another supplement you dose far away from your workouts due to its potential anti-inflammatory properties? Thanks mate
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You definitely hit on an important note. It's good to try things one at a time to see if you respond to them and then you can try stacking in others things on top or stopping one and testing another.

I cycle Ash simply because I like to give my body a break from pretty much any supplement that isn't Fish oil, multis or creatine. Not sure if its entirely necessary, just a personal preference.

Once you get into the realm of GDA's/Nutrient Partitioners there are some/ingredients that are best dosed away from workouts for optimal efficiency though some will say its negligible and not even worth the thought. Once you go down the road of researching GDA's you'll be able to read everyone's opinions and research and of course form your conclusion. Nothing else comes to mind at the moment that I personally take that I avoid near workouts.
 
anabolicanth said:
That's some good advice there mate, I guess the other problem is running too many supps and not being able to differentiate between what is working at what isn't. I'm definitely interested in trying a few of those you mentioned individually. Reading up on Ashwagandha it seems like a great health supplement. I think I'll give it a try. Is there any reason why you cycle it? And would that be another supplement you dose far away from your workouts due to its potential anti-inflammatory properties? Thanks mate
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anabolicanth said:
Wondering what you guys would suggest for a natural supplement stack for a 22 year old, I'm pretty serious about my training and not too phased as to what the total stack would cost. I currently run a pretty standard (Protein, BCAA, Zinc+Magnesium, Fish oil) Having a break from Creatine monohydrate for the moment. I recognise that most natural, legal supplements won't cause huge gains but I'm always looking to improve my physique. Focusing on strength and size for the moment.

I tried Sns x-gels a few years ago and noticed that my joints were pretty much immediately inflammed and sore, so I stopped taking the gels before too long. The pain hung around and I think it attributed to some patella tendonitis. I was bulking and alot heavier at the time which probably didn't help but the pain/inflammation wasn't something I experienced prior to taking the supplement.

Anyhow I see alot of people swearing by it so I might be willing to try it again just wondering what I could take or do to prevent that happening again? Taking fish oils or joint supplements would defeat the purpose of using ArA? I play sport aswell so crazy joint pain isn't ideal, I don't think the benefits would outweigh the cons in my situation. Epicatechin is also something that interests me but the studies I've read some pretty inconclusive.
If there are any other supplements you guys would suggest to be added to my stack or your own stack that works great please let me know.

Sorry for the long paragraph, appreciate any help or advice. Thanks!
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props on being natty and looking for natty supplements.
 
Em3 said:
You definitely hit on an important note. It's good to try things one at a time to see if you respond to them and then you can try stacking in others things on top or stopping one and testing another.

I cycle Ash simply because I like to give my body a break from pretty much any supplement that isn't Fish oil, multis or creatine. Not sure if its entirely necessary, just a personal preference.

Once you get into the realm of GDA's/Nutrient Partitioners there are some/ingredients that are best dosed away from workouts for optimal efficiency though some will say its negligible and not even worth the thought. Once you go down the road of researching GDA's you'll be able to read everyone's opinions and research and of course form your conclusion. Nothing else comes to mind at the moment that I personally take that I avoid near workouts.
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Yeah that’s fair enough I’m pretty much the same I even cycle creatine. I think it’s definitely beneficial to cycle stuff you don’t want to potentially suppress anything your body makes naturally. Appreciate the advice mate
 
thebigt said:
props on being natty and looking for natty supplements.
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i don’t think it really deserves props, just more of a personal choice. I have nothing against people who take steroids and what not as long as they aren’t claiming to be natural and falsely advertising to fans. But for me it’s just more so that I value my health and don’t want my hormones to be suppressed as well as the large amount of other side effects that are attributed to drug use. I have researched ligandrol very heavily as it’s supposed to be a sarm with little to no sides but decided it’s not worth it. I’ve gotten great results being natural when both my training and diet were in check. The trick is being able to stay that committed whilst life is throwing plenty of other things your way.
 
Resolve10 said:
It’s probably something you don’t “have to” cycle or could take for some pretty long periods of time. I still take breaks from everything anyways.

You can take it around training, in fact some fat burners include it. I generally take it morning or night and the dosing will depend on if it energizes or calms you (different response at different doses in different people).
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Thanks mate, gonna you’ve been a legend responding to everything on this post, and if that’s you in your profile pic you’re a Fkn unit hahahah
 
I am a little biased maybe, but I have tried a ton of stuff, including FD 2.0. Nothing did anything to help me build muscle except creatine and BMP from Evomuse. I would put BMP up against anything natural for muscle building. PR central.
 
HIT4ME said:
I am a little biased maybe, but I have tried a ton of stuff, including FD 2.0. Nothing did anything to help me build muscle except creatine and BMP from Evomuse. I would put BMP up against anything natural for muscle building. PR central.
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interesting I haven’t heard that one mentioned before I’m looking at the Ingredients and don’t recognise too many I’ll have a more in depth look at it for sure. It’s interesting how everyone responds differently to different supplements. Reading supplement reviews is a headache if it’s something you value when deciding on a new supp. Thanks for that suggestion
 
anabolicanth said:
interesting I haven’t heard that one mentioned before I’m looking at the Ingredients and don’t recognise too many I’ll have a more in depth look at it for sure. It’s interesting how everyone responds differently to different supplements. Reading supplement reviews is a headache if it’s something you value when deciding on a new supp. Thanks for that suggestion
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I just started bmp, so I can’t comment on it but I ran follidrone and vector and was not impressed. XFactor is worth trying, but most natty Supps are a waste ime.
 
Natural supp's are a hit or miss keep trying and experimenting.
Yep, reviews are subjective, be cautious.
Unfortunately for me epicatechin and laxo I was a slow to non-responder. Excessive dosing made it too costly to continue,. Going to give BMP a try next
all the best
 
anabolicanth said:
i don’t think it really deserves props, just more of a personal choice. I have nothing against people who take steroids and what not as long as they aren’t claiming to be natural and falsely advertising to fans. But for me it’s just more so that I value my health and don’t want my hormones to be suppressed as well as the large amount of other side effects that are attributed to drug use. I have researched ligandrol very heavily as it’s supposed to be a sarm with little to no sides but decided it’s not worth it. I’ve gotten great results being natural when both my training and diet were in check. The trick is being able to stay that committed whilst life is throwing plenty of other things your way.
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lol...i've been a member here for over 10 years, so I obviously have nothing against 21 and older using steroids. but I have extra respect for those who choose to keep it natty-so many guys use steroids as a short cut in place of that commitment you are talking about.
 
thebigt said:
lol...i've been a member here for over 10 years, so I obviously have nothing against 21 and older using steroids. but I have extra respect for those who choose to keep it natty-so many guys use steroids as a short cut in place of that commitment you are talking about.
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So true. And it is easybto lose sight of why a lot of us do this - for health. Yes,I want to look better and I like being competitive as well - but you have to find your own mix of values there
 
HIT4ME said:
So true. And it is easybto lose sight of why a lot of us do this - for health. Yes,I want to look better and I like being competitive as well - but you have to find your own mix of values there
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You do it for health?

I thought we all did it for the bros in the gym..
 
thebigt said:
lol...i've been a member here for over 10 years, so I obviously have nothing against 21 and older using steroids. but I have extra respect for those who choose to keep it natty-so many guys use steroids as a short cut in place of that commitment you are talking about.
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of course mate, well said. My response might have come off a little passive-aggressive but it wasn't. I just meant that while it's nice to get complimented and stuff, at the end of the day everyone is really making their own decisions for themselves. I agree it does take a bit of extra will to stay natty when there are drugs out there that can get you great results alot quicker, so I guess it that sense being able to resist the temptation and continue to work hard and see more slower and subtle results is commendable.
 
anabolicanth said:
Wondering what you guys would suggest for a natural supplement stack for a 22 year old, I'm pretty serious about my training and not too phased as to what the total stack would cost. I currently run a pretty standard (Protein, BCAA, Zinc+Magnesium, Fish oil) Having a break from Creatine monohydrate for the moment. I recognise that most natural, legal supplements won't cause huge gains but I'm always looking to improve my physique. Focusing on strength and size for the moment.

I tried Sns x-gels a few years ago and noticed that my joints were pretty much immediately inflammed and sore, so I stopped taking the gels before too long. The pain hung around and I think it attributed to some patella tendonitis. I was bulking and alot heavier at the time which probably didn't help but the pain/inflammation wasn't something I experienced prior to taking the supplement.

Anyhow I see alot of people swearing by it so I might be willing to try it again just wondering what I could take or do to prevent that happening again? Taking fish oils or joint supplements would defeat the purpose of using ArA? I play sport aswell so crazy joint pain isn't ideal, I don't think the benefits would outweigh the cons in my situation. Epicatechin is also something that interests me but the studies I've read some pretty inconclusive.
If there are any other supplements you guys would suggest to be added to my stack or your own stack that works great please let me know.

Sorry for the long paragraph, appreciate any help or advice. Thanks!
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At your age you need intense training, lots of quality food and a ton of rest to recharge for the next session.

First off vitamin d3, if your not taking in optimum levels, (can test through blood work) your missing a major and very cheap staple.

Second one is caffeine pre workout, just to get you going, you don’t need a fancy preworkout if you don’t want, caffeine alone is great.

Food is the number one anabolic, especially natty, so my third is digestive enzymes. As someone who eats around 3lbs of animal a day, almost religiously, I can tell you this makes a major difference. It’s not always about how much you can eat, but rather how much you can digest. Since your hormones should already be high at your age focus on training, eating enough, and rest.

If you need help getting better sleep, you could try melatonin.

Also get a log book and aim to progress in all your sessions in all your exercises.

Best of luck man
 
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EMPIREMIND said:
At your age you need intense training, lots of quality food and a ton of rest to recharge for the next session.

First off vitamin d3, if your not taking in optimum levels, (can test through blood work) your missing a major and very cheap staple.

Second one is caffeine pre workout, just to get you going, you don’t need a fancy preworkout if you don’t want, caffeine alone is great.

Food is the number one anabolic, especially natty, so my third is digestive enzymes. As someone who eats around 3lbs of animal a day, almost religiously, I can tell you this makes a major difference. It’s not always about how much you can eat, but rather how much you can digest. Since your hormones should already be high at your age focus on training, eating enough, and rest.

If you need help getting better sleep, you could try melatonin.

Also get a log book and aim to progress in all your sessions in all your exercises.

Best of luck man
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yeah i'm keen to get blood work done, would be curious about my natural test levels and everything aswell. I'm not big on caffeine it might sound ridiculous but I know too many people who are caffeine dependant and really rely on a coffee or pre workout just to be able to function normally. So I usually steer clear of it. As long as I get enough sleep I feel like I'm always able to train. I sleep really well and deep so I'm all good in that regard. I log all my exercises, sets and reps but not the amount of weight, which would probably be a good thing but at the same time I usually know what my weight ranges are and it can change depending on how I'm feeling on the day. Great advice though mate particularly on the D3. I don't think I'd be too bad I get a good amount of sun playing sports but definitely should get some bloodwork done soon nevertheless.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
At your age you need intense training, lots of quality food and a ton of rest to recharge for the next session.

First off vitamin d3, if your not taking in optimum levels, (can test through blood work) your missing a major and very cheap staple.

Second one is caffeine pre workout, just to get you going, you don’t need a fancy preworkout if you don’t want, caffeine alone is great.

Food is the number one anabolic, especially natty, so my third is digestive enzymes. As someone who eats around 3lbs of animal a day, almost religiously, I can tell you this makes a major difference. It’s not always about how much you can eat, but rather how much you can digest. Since your hormones should already be high at your age focus on training, eating enough, and rest.

If you need help getting better sleep, you could try melatonin.

Also get a log book and aim to progress in all your sessions in all your exercises.

Best of luck man
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yeah i'm keen to get blood work done, would be curious about my natural test levels and everything aswell. I'm not big on caffeine it might sound ridiculous but I know too many people who are caffeine dependant and really rely on a coffee or pre workout just to be able to function normally. So I usually steer clear of it. As long as I get enough sleep I feel like I'm always able to train. I sleep really well and deep so I'm all good in that regard. I log all my exercises, sets and reps but not the amount of weight, which would probably be a good thing but at the same time I usually know what my weight ranges are and it can change depending on how I'm feeling on the day and at this point I'm still constantly progressing. Great advice though mate particularly on the D3. I don't think I'd be too bad I get a good amount of sun playing sports but definitely should get some bloodwork done soon nevertheless.
 
anabolicanth said:
yeah i'm keen to get blood work done, would be curious about my natural test levels and everything aswell. I'm not big on caffeine it might sound ridiculous but I know too many people who are caffeine dependant and really rely on a coffee or pre workout just to be able to function normally. So I usually steer clear of it. As long as I get enough sleep I feel like I'm always able to train. I sleep really well and deep so I'm all good in that regard. I log all my exercises, sets and reps but not the amount of weight, which would probably be a good thing but at the same time I usually know what my weight ranges are and it can change depending on how I'm feeling on the day and at this point I'm still constantly progressing. Great advice though mate particularly on the D3. I don't think I'd be too bad I get a good amount of sun playing sports but definitely should get some bloodwork done soon nevertheless.
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Sound alike your ahead of the curve man. If your doing all these things already just get in enough food to grow, train hard and be patient. It takes a long time and you just have to be consistent and trust the process. Over time you will see the progress and if you do it the right way it will be muscle you will keep.
 
I am not a fan of any "natty" supps as I dont think they work. There is always some flavor of the month around here, kings blood, vector etc.. etc.. If you look back 10 years there is always a flavor of the month. Nothing sticks! And thats because they dont work. Just my opinion so relax flamers.

What does work is working out harder, pushing yourself, working through the pain, the extra rep etc.. There are natural supps that can help with this. Kratom (controversial I know), pre workouts etc.. I used to think I worked out hard. Little did I know. If your not using these I would look in to them. Otherwise save your money
 
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