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Natty ways to fight estrogen

mtinsideout

mtinsideout

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Hey guys, I found an interesting article and thought I'd share it, I'm sure most of you know this already but there were a few things I learned from this read.

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Anyone ever try any of this? Using DIM, flax, b-vitamins and zinc to lower estrogen?
 
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I quote Poliquin

The one exception is wine rich in either resveratrol or trans-resveratrol, which has been shown to inhibit aromatase (the enzyme that turns testosterone into estrogen), thereby lowering estrogen levels. For example, a study that was just published showed that red but not white wine acted as an aromatase inhibitor and resulted in lower estrogen levels after one month in premenopausal women. The group of women that drank eight ounces of red wine daily had higher testosterone and lower estrogen levels than the group that drank white wine daily. Previous studies have shown that red wine appears to lower overall cancer risk, and it provides cardioprotective effects along with increasing insulin sensitivity.
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He got it wrong. It's not the resveratrol in red wine that blocks aromatase, it is procyanidin beta (i.e. grape seed extract) that promotes such an interesting effect, being quite potent at it as well.
 
mtinsideout said:
Hey guys, I found an interesting article and thought I'd share it, I'm sure most of you know this already but there were a few things I learned from this read.

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Whats the reasoning behind wanting to lower Estrogen?

Sure, you want to keep it within range but unless it is excessively high, its not an issue.
 
Jiigzz said:
Whats the reasoning behind wanting to lower Estrogen? Sure, you want to keep it within range but unless it is excessively high, its not an issue.
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Exactly. Sometimes people under estimate or under appreciate the need for estrogen.
 
Jiigzz said:
Whats the reasoning behind wanting to lower Estrogen?

Sure, you want to keep it within range but unless it is excessively high, its not an issue.
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I agree but think it could be useful information for losing weight since estrogen helps retain water and build fat. It could also be something to consider during a cycle or in PCT.
 
mtinsideout said:
I agree but think it could be useful information for losing weight since estrogen helps retain water and build fat. It could also be something to consider during a cycle or in PCT.
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Yeah but not really TBH. It's overhyped in terms of fat gain; sure, an excessive amount will cause unwanted issues but even females with zero hormonal manipulation can get shredded. When someone has a lot of body fat stored, there best method of reducing estrogen is fat loss rather than trying any other method.

I think you are thinking in terms of excessive estro rather than one that is within range. And if you are using hormonals you would want more than just a natty solution.

To me, its like when people say "insulin makes you fat" or "cortisol breaks down muscle" or something along those lines when they are missing the bigger picture and just focusing on things that are essentially non issues OR are only one aspect of the equation.

Certainly there are times when estrogen control is needed and when cortisol control is needed, but for the most part the reasons why people do so are misguided.

My opinion.

also interesting:
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aaronuconn said:
What were your E2 levels when you got them checked?
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This isn't really about that, it was meant more to be informative and I was also wondering if anyone has tried any of the things mentioned and what the results were. This article is from 2012 so I figured maybe someone tried this by now lol.
 
mtinsideout said:
This isn't really about that, it was meant more to be informative and I was also wondering if anyone has tried any of the things mentioned and what the results were. This article is from 2012 so I figured maybe someone tried this by now lol.
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i haven't tried it :D

I'm open to debate on this as well; it's only my viewpoint on the subject but am open to others opinions and viewpoints.

Come at me bros :D
 
Jiigzz said:
Yeah but not really TBH. It's overhyped in terms of fat loss; sure, an excessive amount will cause unwanted issues but even females with zero hormonal manipulation can get shredded.

I think you are thinking in terms of excessive estro rather than one that is within range. And if you are using hormonals you would want more than just a natty solution.
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Lol yea I would never advise natty or even OTC PCT for someone on juice. I realize estrogen is a very necessary hormone in men for many reasons as well.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The article is really pretty awful. Losing fat is pretty much the only viable point he makes
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So you don't think any combination of the methods described outside of weight loss could have any effect similar to arimistane or the new erase formulas? Or work to enhance the effects of those and similar products?
 
Jiigzz said:
Come at me bros
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:op:

how's that? I aim to please..

mr.cooper69 said:
The article is really pretty awful. Losing fat is pretty much the only viable point he makes
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this

and as a side note:
I see more and more references and advice to ppl (just this morning in fact..) from forum members about utilizing AIs and whatnot for fat-loss and cutting -- not as a "finisher" or final touch mind you, but rather advised for active extended use in the same vein as say a fatburner would be..

amazing, the minutiae and tedious lengths some go to in an attempt to change body composition, when they have not the first clue about simply fixing their diet..

sigh
 
mtinsideout said:
So you don't think any combination of the methods described outside of weight loss could have any effect similar to arimistane or the new erase formulas? Or work to enhance the effects of those and similar products?
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Not really, no

hurdlemaker said:
Chrysin and indole-3-carbinol work decently to naturally reduce estrogen
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Neither reduce estrogen, actually. Chrysin has no oral bioavailability and I3C keeps estrogen levels the same but channels estrogen into different metabolic pathways
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Neither reduce estrogen, actually. Chrysin has no oral bioavailability and I3C keeps estrogen levels the same but channels estrogen into different metabolic pathways
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I was unsure of the chrysin, I've read a lot of mixed info, one study I read actually said it could possibly lower thyroid function? But I thought indole-3-carbinol actually had some effect

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Doesn't it basically help turn estradiol into a weaker form (2-hydroxy- estrone)
 
What's everyone know about water soluble pumpkin seed extract? I've been reading a lot about it inhibiting the aromatase enzyme...
 
hurdlemaker said:
What's everyone know about water soluble pumpkin seed extract? I've been reading a lot about it inhibiting the aromatase enzyme...
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Hadn't heard this before but a quick search turned up some interesting info.

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