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Natty supplements priceworthy?

Kaliber

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Are natty supplements really priceworthy for the results you get?
If im buying any natty anabolics It would be Tr1umph and maybe X gels in cycles. People claim it works. But does it work good enough to pay 100-120$ a month??... thnx
 
Well, they are Cycles so you won't be dropping that money constantly. But I think the general concensus is x gels being the best bang for buck. Triumph stacks perfectly with it.

I am currently logging x gels, Abe, and BMP if you're curious
 
No and no, they aint worth the money !
Not hating on natty supps, bought them myself many times, but they are overpriced as hell.
U pay a lot for almost "nothing", as there is no natural supp to gives u really muscle gains by itself.
U can disagree but please find me a study which proves me wrong, which proves that any natural ing gives u gains by itself ( not sponsored by the manufacturer ).
The nattis are good for mood,etc and u always get the "placebo" free with it :) , and placebo works wonders.
 
For people who will never go the illegal route, and have disposable money, yes they are worth it. Every person will have different goals, and different ways of attaining said goals. For a natural athlete things like X Gels can positively influence gains above their normal baseline. It's both in the literature and anecdotally proven all over the boards. I've had positive experiences with plenty of natural products.
 
If budget and effectiveness are the keys here, look into Ergonine or Tr1umph and start with just that.

Should be $30 or less and they include the most heavily studied and proven ingredients we know of.

I have not ceased use of E9 since it was released. The value on these "staple all-in-one" formulas is pretty undeniable
 
There is obviously a large population of lifters who do not wish to use AAS. These people also likely have some sort of income and $ they can afford to spend on sh1t they dont really need.

But lets not be pious. We all spend $ on sh1t we dont need.
 
Kaliber said:
Wouldnt mk677 count as natural as it isnt really a sarm?
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Not naturally occurring either, I wouldn't call it natty but that will come down to the customer's interpretation I guess
 
Most people cycles Mk with another sarm. Will cycling with only mk give good results? Greater than all this natty supplements?
 
Nac said:
There is obviously a large population of lifters who do not wish to use AAS. These people also likely have some sort of income and $ they can afford to spend on sh1t they dont really need.

But lets not be pious. We all spend $ on sh1t we dont need.
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I look at weightlifting[bodybuilding]as a hobby...i am never going to make money from it.

like all other hobbies [camping/fishing/hunting/golf/bowling/hiking/auto racing/nfl] they all cost money.

as long as you are spending disposable cash and not spending bill money on supplements or neglecting significant other or children, I say spending money on supplements is a lot better than drugs and alcohol.
 
thebigt said:
I look at weightlifting[bodybuilding]as a hobby...i am never going to make money from it.

like all other hobbies [camping/fishing/hunting/golf/bowling/hiking/auto racing/nfl] they all cost money.

as long as you are spending disposable cash and not spending bill money on supplements or neglecting significant other or children, I say spending money on supplements is a lot better than drugs and alcohol.
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Facts.

And when i first took triumph i most definetly had noticable strength increase
 
thebigt said:
I look at weightlifting[bodybuilding]as a hobby...i am never going to make money from it.

like all other hobbies [camping/fishing/hunting/golf/bowling/hiking/auto racing/nfl] they all cost money.

as long as you are spending disposable cash and not spending bill money on supplements or neglecting significant other or children, I say spending money on supplements is a lot better than drugs and alcohol.
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DING DING DING!

As far as natty supps go there are plenty out there that do what they are supposed to. It is when you get people with unrealistic goals who believe the unrealistic hype about a product that get dissappointed. Sure some of the stuff on all of this is placebo. Some of it is that you spent 35-300 on supps for this run and now you are working out harder and eating better because you don't want to waste the supps. Placebo or not if purchasing the bottle motivated you to make some progress then the bottle did it's job.

That being said, spending hundreds on a natty cycle is only worth it if in the end you feel that it was.

Bottom line asking is something is worth it is just asking for a bunch of different opinions. There is no right answer and you will end up choosing the one that fits your opinion best. However as a general policy for this type of thing the consensus should be... if you are questioning if spending the money is worth it then DON'T!!!!

Questioning the worth before purchase is a sure fire way to avoid any chance of placebo. If you don't believe in the product or hype enough to really want to buy it then you won't believe in it enough to work harder to realize all of the benefits. Placebo effect has a lot to do with behavior, and if your placebo effect is telling you that you are going to succeed you are naturally going to do the things that help you succeed which sets you up for even more success.
 
I go so back and forth on this..
And I've kind of swayed back to the "their not worth it" camp. Maybe my priorities change throughout the year but right now it makes sense to just supplement the essentials (protein, fish oil, multi, daily ergogen i.e. ErgoNine/Tr1umph). And that's not to say I haven't bought and enjoyed some of the natural anabolics out. I've liked Xgels, various epicatechin products, ABE.

Ok, I'm done rambling.
 
APC80 said:
Anafuse, anabeta elite and some others I can't remember the name of. Why, have any worked for you?
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I have tried them all...Anafuse and the current ABE would be last on my list. As in would never recommend.

Myokem Magnitropin and Performax MassMax XT, are awesome. OR1GIN was also fantastic...but I was not able to tolerate it due to GI side effects.

FD2 is nice but it seems to just give me acute endurance benefits.

I tried Tr1umph one time prior to my workout and left the gym as I got very lethargic and had zero strength....it was bizarre. I have not even dared to try it again. Many people seem very happy with it though..
 
Masterzen said:
No and no, they aint worth the money !
Not hating on natty supps, bought them myself many times, but they are overpriced as hell.
U pay a lot for almost "nothing", as there is no natural supp to gives u really muscle gains by itself.
U can disagree but please find me a study which proves me wrong, which proves that any natural ing gives u gains by itself ( not sponsored by the manufacturer ).
The nattis are good for mood,etc and u always get the "placebo" free with it :) , and placebo works wonders.
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100% overhyped
agreed :clap2:
 
there are just very few things (the vast majority cheap) which I use. I spent a little fortune over the years, however I found that all I REALLY need (should you really have an extra edge) is: Creatine, Beta Alanine, Citrulline, Caffeine, Multivitamin, Omega3, Vit D3, Whey.
Occasionally, I would do a cicle of ARA, which is the only supplement which I feel it really works. Rarely (like once or twice per year or when I receive some money as present from parent when I come back to Italy for Xmas) I treat myself with a preworkout.
 
Of course natty products aren't as strong as non natural products but I think they're worth the money. They get you the best gains without screwing with your hormones and having to do a pct. X gels, ABE, and triumph is an awesome natty stack.
 
thebigt said:
I look at weightlifting[bodybuilding]as a hobby...i am never going to make money from it.

like all other hobbies [camping/fishing/hunting/golf/bowling/hiking/auto racing/nfl] they all cost money.

as long as you are spending disposable cash and not spending bill money on supplements or neglecting significant other or children, I say spending money on supplements is a lot better than drugs and alcohol.
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Best post ever.

I used to stack like crazy, and then I went to stacking conservatively....and now I barely buy anything anymore because I have access to other hobbies now, but I still just lift to stay in shape. People waste money on drugs and alcohol all the time, it's all about priorities.
 
The only natural ones that work are Folidrone 2.0 and ARA; however, ARA I found is very hard on the body - each cycle would leave me feeling more and more joint pain and inflammation. I am not the only one either and had been using ARA when MN first put it on the market. Folidrone leaves my body feeling good, strong and I have put on size and kept size post cycle like nothing natural I have ever seen. Fern PA is cheap. If you are old like me (50), cheap bulk DAA and quality tongkat work well. If you are under 40, test boosters are a complete waste of time.
 
thebigt said:
I look at weightlifting[bodybuilding]as a hobby...i am never going to make money from it.

like all other hobbies [camping/fishing/hunting/golf/bowling/hiking/auto racing/nfl] they all cost money.

as long as you are spending disposable cash and not spending bill money on supplements or neglecting significant other or children, I say spending money on supplements is a lot better than drugs and alcohol.
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Good post sir!
 
Rhadam said:
For people who will never go the illegal route, and have disposable money, yes they are worth it. Every person will have different goals, and different ways of attaining said goals. For a natural athlete things like X Gels can positively influence gains above their normal baseline. It's both in the literature and anecdotally proven all over the boards. I've had positive experiences with plenty of natural products.
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google ( since i cant post links yet, post count )
examine supplements/arachidonic-acid

and

w w w.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18045476


the study which sats arachidonic acid works:
Partial funding for this study came from Molecular Nutrition, a company that holds the patent for and currently markets the ARA supplement used in the study, called X-Factor Advanced ( quoted from examine.com )


You see, if something works the study proves it,for exmple creatine.
But for all the other hyped stuff ( arachidonic acid been one of them ), we have to believe user logs or sponsored studies ( lol for this one ).

Hell, if i would make a supp and claim it gives u " crazy lean body masss ", " natural anabolicum yeahhh ", i first would make sure its proven by third party study , independent.
But noone does this ( or its rare ).
Why ?
Cuz its expensive ? not in a milion years.
Cuz they know it doesnt work or not atleast the way the 99% natural test/anabolic supps are marketed.

Again, i bought, buy and will continue to buy some natural supps, but only stuff like creatine etc, cuz its proven, objectlively that it works, and not by some gut feel from some guy/s on the web.
I know some ppl dont mind spending money on those supps , thats not the issue here, but still doesnt change the fact that many of those r usless, dont do anything but empty ur wallet.
 
^there is more study done on ARA than that single example...

Also who are you thinking would fund the study if not the invested company?
No one. We'd have next to no data on sports supplements if they didn't.

They did not conduct the study, they paid a respected third party to run a study.

There have certainly been cases of malpractice and "bought off" results but we can't go in assuming that or we have nothing but anecdote. There are now a number of studies showing positive effects; to assume all of these are lies, well... I wouldn't understand why such a person has an interest in supplements in the first place.

I guess get off the net and go become a researcher. Prove 'em wrong or give us some "unbiased" data
 
Masterzen said:
google ( since i cant post links yet, post count )
examine supplements/arachidonic-acid

and

w w w.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18045476


the study which sats arachidonic acid works:
Partial funding for this study came from Molecular Nutrition, a company that holds the patent for and currently markets the ARA supplement used in the study, called X-Factor Advanced ( quoted from examine.com )


You see, if something works the study proves it,for exmple creatine.
But for all the other hyped stuff ( arachidonic acid been one of them ), we have to believe user logs or sponsored studies ( lol for this one ).

Hell, if i would make a supp and claim it gives u " crazy lean body masss ", " natural anabolicum yeahhh ", i first would make sure its proven by third party study , independent.
But noone does this ( or its rare ).
Why ?
Cuz its expensive ? not in a milion years.
Cuz they know it doesnt work or not atleast the way the 99% natural test/anabolic supps are marketed.

Again, i bought, buy and will continue to buy some natural supps, but only stuff like creatine etc, cuz its proven, objectlively that it works, and not by some gut feel from some guy/s on the web.
I know some ppl dont mind spending money on those supps , thats not the issue here, but still doesnt change the fact that many of those r usless, dont do anything but empty ur wallet.
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you can find studies on almost everything...but yet here you are at the AM forum comparing thoughts with others...obviously you do not have complete and total trust in studies, lol.
 
So is it safe to say a general consensus is that most of these supplements aren't worth the money with the exception of X-GELS and Follidrone 2.0? Atleast from a strength and body composition pov? If I'm missing any please advise, I'm just trying to determine what to save up for in my piggy bank.
 
Wildcat528 said:
So is it safe to say a general consensus is that most of these supplements aren't worth the money with the exception of X-GELS and Follidrone 2.0? Atleast from a strength and body composition pov? If I'm missing any please advise, I'm just trying to determine what to save up for in my piggy bank.
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Ive had great success with BMP solo...

Currently logging BMP, x gels, and Abe
 
Wildcat528 said:
So is it safe to say a general consensus is that most of these supplements aren't worth the money with the exception of X-GELS and Follidrone 2.0? Atleast from a strength and body composition pov? If I'm missing any please advise, I'm just trying to determine what to save up for in my piggy bank.
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awhile back I logged mst's peak elite, been wanting to stack it with their cordyceps-i really think this would be a great combo...atm though I have samples coming of vicaine, if they are as good as I hope I will be buying a full bottle!!!
 
thebigt said:
awhile back I logged mst's peak elite, been wanting to stack it with their cordyceps-i really think this would be a great combo...atm though I have samples coming of vicaine, if they are as good as I hope I will be buying a full bottle!!!
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I have samples of Vicaine coming too! I'm so excited, the anticipation is intense. It almost sounds too good to be true though so we'll see lol.Regardless, I'm going to give an absolutely brutally honest review of it for everyone.
 
Really depends on your goals and how serious you are.

A good pre-workout isn't overpriced. If it gets you in the gym revolving around your work schedule, that's pretty invaluable.

Some diet pills help suppress appetite so if you're cutting, then not starving to death is worth it, imo. Ephedra, yohimbine, caffeine can give people negative sides so if you find one that works for you I'd say it's worth it.

You aren't going to notice a lot of natty stuff if you aren't training to your limit all the time, but if you are, then proven ingredients can help.

Also, the psychological effect has value. Sometimes just thinking about the perceived effect and being excited about something new can help you break through plateaus which can be mentally rewarding if you've been at it a while. "Placebo effect", or is it? If it makes it fun for you then **** it, as long as you aren't being irresponsible.
 
Wildcat528 said:
So is it safe to say a general consensus is that most of these supplements aren't worth the money with the exception of X-GELS and Follidrone 2.0? Atleast from a strength and body composition pov? If I'm missing any please advise, I'm just trying to determine what to save up for in my piggy bank.
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Have you checked out MassMax XT? Many sponsored and unsponsored logs floating around. Based on the results users experienced, I would say it needs to be up high on the list. Most users gained 4-6 lbs during their runs. Hunger through the roof with minimal fat gain.

ABE was always one of my favorites as well. ABE/Alphamax/ArA the OG natty stack.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Have you checked out MassMax XT? Many sponsored and unsponsored logs floating around. Based on the results users experienced, I would say it needs to be up high on the list. Most users gained 4-6 lbs during their runs. Hunger through the roof with minimal fat gain.

ABE was always one of my favorites as well. ABE/Alphamax/ArA the OG natty stack.
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How many bottles do you need to gain 4-6 lbs.
 
My favourite natty supps atm are x-gels, fd2 and PA (granules or Tr1umph if funds allow) run those in a stack=hnnnnng
 
 
cubsfan815 said:
Have you checked out MassMax XT? Many sponsored and unsponsored logs floating around. Based on the results users experienced, I would say it needs to be up high on the list. Most users gained 4-6 lbs during their runs. Hunger through the roof with minimal fat gain.

ABE was always one of my favorites as well. ABE/Alphamax/ArA the OG natty stack.
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I mean "hunger through the roof" would inherently result in mass gains lol. And over a run of 4-8 weeks you're looking at what? A pound a week? Which if you're training and eating right naturally wouldn't result in significant fat gain. I'm not saying it doesn't work but just my opinion
 
Masterzen said:
No and no, they aint worth the money !
Not hating on natty supps, bought them myself many times, but they are overpriced as hell.
U pay a lot for almost "nothing", as there is no natural supp to gives u really muscle gains by itself.
U can disagree but please find me a study which proves me wrong, which proves that any natural ing gives u gains by itself ( not sponsored by the manufacturer ).
The nattis are good for mood,etc and u always get the "placebo" free with it :) , and placebo works wonders.
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The number one reason I came to this forum was for honesty. This statement right her is right on the money. Are they worth the money? IMO not even. Non natty supplements will not yield gains anywhere close to anabolics or andros. That being said if you are trying to stay "natty" you are limited. Plain and simple
 
Wildcat528 said:
I mean "hunger through the roof" would inherently result in mass gains lol. And over a run of 4-8 weeks you're looking at what? A pound a week? Which if you're training and eating right naturally wouldn't result in significant fat gain. I'm not saying it doesn't work but just my opinion
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Correct, I was giving example of how most users felt. With the hunger increase MassMax XT provides improved protein synthesis, so you are putting the extra calories to good use. The Atractylodes Lancea Rhizome which provides the increase in hunger, can also increase GH stimulation.

That is just one ingredient in MassMax XT. The HPLC tested whole plant extract of Rhaponticum Carthamoides is still the main ingredient. Studies have shown improvements in muscle mass, decrease in fat mass, and improved endurance from whole plant RC.
 
Im running FD2 ArA and PA, no it not PH like gains. Yes, I am noticing a difference in strentgh and body comp
 
"Natty Suplements" is a category with 27 Bajillion products in it. Yes, Creatine, Omega-3s (although I'd rather eat fresh Salmon) and Vitamin D are probably worth the money. Other stuff with less science but trending well like Garlic, Olive Leaf, etc... may be worth it. DHEA may be if you are older. HMB-Ca, Quality Ashwa/Rhodiola have promising studies. Caffeine? - yup. See my point?

It's only when you get to the stuff that is supposed to add muscle mass or remove adipose tissue off of your body, over and above *proper* nutrition/training - that you need to bring along a Titanic Iceberg sized piece of Salt.
 
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