Natrual Test boosters

the funny thing is LH is over middle of scale, so that must explain why i'm not shooting blanks. FSH is at bottom of scale, e2 is over top of scale :P

i probably have really low SHBG, and high free test. thats my guess. just can't afford to pay out of pocket for everything. I'll get a full real panel in a couple months.
 
Sunder said:
Cissus is the most popular for healing injuries. (guessing not banned by NCAA, but I do not know).

I've read that tribulus has not been very effective in testosterone blood tests - however, many people say they experience libido boost from trib. Now while an active libido doesn't put muscle on your body, I wouldn't discount the psychological benefits it can bring to a person, especially as we get older.

I'm not advocating or recommending tribulus, but rather saying I believe that currently measured numbers from studies do not always reflect the whole story (especially when contradicting studies are later done, lol). Didn't HMB have great lab studies to back it up? Little to no libido can lead to depression, which in turn can lead to low testosterone, etc.

So I say use everyone's advice and research paper results as a good guideline, but if you use a product you "think" you're getting results from - I say stick with it, even if others claim your results are placebo. 5lbs of muscle from placebo is still 5lbs. :)
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that is one of the best posts ive read in awhile. :thumbsup:
 
You would think with all the wonders of science we'd be further ahead in this endocrinilogical game? What we need is to mimic the change that happens at puberty when everything kicks into high gear!
 
neoborn said:
You would think with all the wonders of science we'd be further ahead in this endocrinilogical game? What we need is to mimic the change that happens at puberty when everything kicks into high gear!
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we are to assume that you have achieved puberty? just kidding neo-:twisted:
 
neoborn said:
I've heard that Madcow's 5x5 program which includes Squats, Deadlifts and Rows is the bomb at raising test. Combine that with something that free's test and you're good to go.
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Very truw neoborn do a heavy set of deads like I did 295 for 11 reps and tell me if you don't feel super manly the next couple of days.

A good sources Trib with high proto has worked well for me making testostrone optimal. Its useful if your test is normal or low and want to bring it up to higher ranges. Again this can be acheivedby just heavy compund exercuises repping it out. also last week when I did 365 squats for 6, than 10 reps I felt it. This wekk ive felt this effect, super manly, due to this cause. Hope that helps:squat:
 
smeton_yea said:
Very truw neoborn do a heavy set of deads like I did 295 for 11 reps and tell me if you don't feel super manly the next couple of days.

Or, since we're talking sets of 5 here, do a set of 505 for 5 reps like I did!!No rest 'til Valhalla!!!
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smeton_yea said:
Your a big strong dude Thundergod
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Aw Shucks!! I'm just 6'3" and 270 lbs. right now. I need to shed about 20 and lean up. You look lean and mean Mr. Smeton!
 
I am a firm believer in heavy Squats, Deads and Presses. I do feel it, it's just that I want us to get the f'ck ahead with this game and help those of us who are getting older by the day. If you're 50 but your HPTA is kicking it like you're 16 that would be fantastical.

Crazy test, crazy libido....muscles out the wazoo

oh and busting a nut like a freaking firehose! :ntome:
 
neoborn said:
I am a firm believer in heavy Squats, Deads and Presses. I do feel it, it's just that I want us to get the f'ck ahead with this game and help those of us who are getting older by the day. If you're 50 but your HPTA is kicking it like you're 16 that would be fantastical.

Crazy test, crazy libido....muscles out the wazoo

oh and busting a nut like a freaking firehose! :ntome:
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Neo--- I really feel you on this one. I'm a few months shy of turning 44, so things are a'changin'. I can't help but feel like there is better stuff they could turn loose on us to help us if they would. It seems these days if something is considered a "performance enhancer" that it should be made illegal. This really pisses me off. You can buy all the cigarettes and booze to kill you legally, but, oh these prohormones and such just have to be stopped! Come on. Give me a freakin' break. I think I might have just had prohormone rage right there!!
 
LOL prohormone rage :)

I agree fully. With the advancement you would think 'they' would be able to figure out that it's not just the HPTA that we need to think upon / fix.

It's like when test came out they thought they could just pump up the test and you're good, well it turns out that you cannot, you also have to control estrogen because of the bodies natural ability to balance things out. So we have to learn how swing the balance into test positivity while controlling estrogen without killing it.

So the best case scenario would be some kind of product that
  • Tells HPTA to make LH like crazy
  • Test to be boosted high end of natural scale - ie 1200
  • Estrogen controlled to not affect / down regulate Test production
  • Cortisol controlled
  • Test free'd from being bound to SBHG

It would have to be cycled though to not burn out the HPTA etc
Ok ....go!
 
you guys keep saying Tribulus Terrestris is useless but yet Diesel test hardcore has it in it and your recommending that?
 
thundergod said:
It's cheap because it's good for NOTHING!!
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Truth be told :goodpost:

Though I will say that I tried Ultimate Nutritions Tribulus when it was in the silver bottles with blue writing and it worked wonders for my libido at that time. I also paid like $60 for the supposed top product Invalid Link Removed and it did nada, zero, zilch what a waste of money, for me anyhow.

Deads, Squats, Presses and steroid laden chicken for me :)

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
moveweight said:
you guys keep saying Tribulus Terrestris is useless but yet Diesel test hardcore has it in it and your recommending that?
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sometimes it is the overall package that matters. DTH definitely shows some signs of promise, regardless of trib :) if DTH had fadogia instead, it would be even better i'd bet, but cost would go even higher.
 
EasyEJL said:
sometimes it is the overall package that matters. DTH definitely shows some signs of promise, regardless of trib :) if DTH had fadogia instead, it would be even better i'd bet, but cost would go even higher.
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It wouldnt be "better." DTH as a product is DTH, most Fadogia products are just fadogia and some "other stuff" but they are not a "formulation." DTH increases free and total test and reduces cortisol, prolactin and estrodiol. It also increases endurance, mood, blablabla has rhodiola, cordyceps, etc.. etc., bottom line its formulated to give you more than most herbal test boosters, not just be a "oh we put blabla in there as the main ingredient." There is no one main ingredient that can make a very effective herbal test booster.

I might someday formulate a product around fadogia but the problem is I see it being the ingredient of choice in most herbal test boosters soon and 1500mg of fadogia is 1500mg of fadogia. Also Fadogia is something you do not to run continuously looking at the research on it and what it does testicles, so say you got 5 Fadogia test boosters out, a consumer cant/shouldnt even go from one Fadogia product to the next. So whats going to happen is your going to have 5 or so Fadogia all fighting to be the go to product when you want Fadogia but in the long run say u want to try a new test booster or be on a test booster for 2 or 3 months straight (one product for 2-3 months or a new Fadogia product every month), u cant do that with Fadogia, or shouldnt at this time, so it will make no sense to just put out another Fadogia product. U can run DTH 2, 3, 4 months straight. Before or after any herbal test booster.

I dont know if I explained that clear but say you use T-force for 4 weeks, and then u want to try Fadigoa product B, say that new MAN fadigoa product. Your basically still on the same product. 1500mg of Fadigoa and some zinc is 1500mg of Fadigoa and some zinc. There is no special super extract or nothing like that.

Its like switching from one bulk creatine mono product to the next creatine mono product.
 
moveweight said:
you guys keep saying Tribulus Terrestris is useless but yet Diesel test hardcore has it in it and your recommending that?
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DTH is not "Tribulus" its DTH. It has Tribulus in it, but its not just Tribulus and some "other stuff." Tribulus isnt useless, most herbal test boosters are useless and they happen to have useless tribulus in them or are not actual "formulations."
 
True enough. That is a piece of why i said with DTH its the package, not just the trib. Any product whose primary action is from trib doesn't give much in results.

Trying to get 1.5g of fadogia into any product is a drag just in terms of dosing. And you are right, i'm not sure what else on top of fadogia would make much of a difference, and then with needing to cycle it on and off you definitely need something else for inbetween.

BTW the new Coq diesel is pretty diesel. I need to put up a thread on that. Only day 1, but noticeable.
 
Get Diesel's TTE is pretty good at raising free test, etc. I took this alongside AI's PCS and they went together pretty well.
 
Sorry, what is AI's PCS ? I had a varicocele and am trying to get the boys back in line .... I have the Tongkat Ali Liquid Extract from Amazing Hebs and have noticed a moderate leveling of my anxiety and libido, nothing huge though ....
 
EasyEJL said:
True enough. That is a piece of why i said with DTH its the package, not just the trib. Any product whose primary action is from trib doesn't give much in results.

Trying to get 1.5g of fadogia into any product is a drag just in terms of dosing. And you are right, i'm not sure what else on top of fadogia would make much of a difference, and then with needing to cycle it on and off you definitely need something else for inbetween.

BTW the new Coq diesel is pretty diesel. I need to put up a thread on that. Only day 1, but noticeable.
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exactly so you would have to pay a butt load of money to have some factory do an extract but people dont even know what to extract for in Fadogia.

Yeah put up some feedback on the Coq DIESEL, you on 5/day?

Do you get an NO pumps from it, I noticed that along with the libido and boners.
 
Its post cycle support, a primarily resveratrol based product

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5% off coupon for it in my sig if you decide you want to buy it.
 
beckerj said:
What about Tongkat Ali ? Everything I have read says it is Awesome ....
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the problem with Long jack is dep. on the extract you use and concentration and even if its a water extract or water and alcohol changes how u should dose it or cycle it and companies have no idea on none of that so you dont see 2 many good Long jack products.

Also if you take 2 much it will shut down ur libido, but "2 much" varies from person to person.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
exactly so you would have to pay a butt load of money to have some factory do an extract but people dont even know what to extract for in Fadogia.

Yeah put up some feedback on the Coq DIESEL, you on 5/day?

Do you get an NO pumps from it, I noticed that along with the libido and boners.
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yea, 5 a day, didn't notice anything from the mid day single one, started getting random semis thru the evening after the 2 evening ones. Didn't notice pumps today, but it was legs and shoulders, and I rarely get significant pumps in either. Seemed to notice some volume change too, which was surprising so soon. i'll try and get a thread up after lunch, and link from the testing thread.
 
I am just starting a cycle of DTH, the only things that I will be taking with it are:

Whey Protein pre-workout
Muscle Milk post-workout/before bed
Yohimbine - 10 mg a day
Sesamin Oil - suggested dose
Fish Oil approx 9 grams
Creatine
Multivitamin
Vitamin C - 2000 mg
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM

I will definately update this thread with my results from the DTH.
 
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