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Nail down cortisol and blast GH & testosterone through the roof with EndoAmp Max

eric,

Since the release of endoamp max, do you still recommend the same protocol as endoamp (morning on non workout days, otherwise post workout)?
 
johnyq said:
eric,

Since the release of endoamp max, do you still recommend the same protocol as endoamp (morning on non workout days, otherwise post workout)?
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Actually we recommend 1 hour before exercise now... but I'm sure eventually you are going to get the same benefits no mater what time you use it.

-Eric
 
Primordial Perf said:
I guess its just easier to swallow them one at a time eh?

-Eric
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Thanks .. funny.. "swallow one at a time" - you know the work pressure that sort of thing.

This looks more significant (this is a statistical term meaning "statisitically important".

I'll be buying EndoMax. Why?
1. Cost: Its not as expensive for quality PAS as it appears. PAS is really expensive. I pay alot more for my PAS supplements. I was a bit shocked when I found out.
2. The results for cortisol blocking look good. The negative correlation with testosterone looks great.
3. Its peace of mind I can go all out for it and be less concerned about the "stress payback". That is important and I don't think the importance has really been appreciated.
4. GPC - I want to try this for the cholinergenic effects alone. GH would be a bonus. My GH isn't low though.
5. PAS does a whole load of other good things besides block cortisol.

All in all I think its a good deal.

Remaining questions:
Is it caps or loose powder? Is there any chance of lowering to a 400mg dose? I don't want to do the max. dose as at least one study didn't find a dose dependent response (400mg worked as well as 800mg).

The only hassle is that NutraPlanet doesn't do PayPal. It is a hassle for overseas purchase because the card company charges for commission both for an overseas purchase and the currency conversion. I presume PayPal will charge the company for the commission instead thats why they don't use them.

All in all this has been a great thread and thanks to the reps for sticking this one out despite the initial hostilities. :cheers:
 
matthias7 said:
Thanks .. funny.. "swallow one at a time" - you know the work pressure that sort of thing.

This looks more significant (this is a statistical term meaning "statisitically important".

I'll be buying EndoMax. Why?
1. Cost: Its not as expensive for quality PAS as it appears. PAS is really expensive. I pay alot more for my PAS supplements. I was a bit shocked when I found out.
2. The results for cortisol blocking look good. The negative correlation with testosterone looks great.
3. Its peace of mind I can go all out for it and be less concerned about the "stress payback". That is important and I don't think the importance has really been appreciated.
4. GPC - I want to try this for the cholinergenic effects alone. GH would be a bonus. My GH isn't low though.
5. PAS does a whole load of other good things besides block cortisol.

All in all I think its a good deal.

Remaining questions:
Is it caps or loose powder? Is there any chance of lowering to a 400mg dose? I don't want to do the max. dose as at least one study didn't find a dose dependent response (400mg worked as well as 800mg).

The only hassle is that NutraPlanet doesn't do PayPal. It is a hassle for overseas purchase because the card company charges for commission both for an overseas purchase and the currency conversion. I presume PayPal will charge the company for the commission instead thats why they don't use them.

All in all this has been a great thread and thanks to the reps for sticking this one out despite the initial hostilities. :cheers:
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Glad you figured out that EndoAmp was a worthy product.

Its a loose powder, so you could take a 1/2 scoop as a daily dose.

We take paypal and all major CCs on our site.

-Eric
 
Prepping for the Bar this summer as well as trying to stay lean when im stressed and craving fatty food all the time. I need all the help I can get for both body and mind.

I plan to pick up both Toco-8 and EndoAmp. You can say whatever you want about PAS and how "much" of a difference its impact makes on overall physique. This is definitely an arguable point. However, its hard to argue that any other compound has as many studies backing that it does lower cortisol better than most options (7-keto is the only other thing I would take). I look at these products as smart choices for overall health and fitness more so than "muslce enhancing" options. Lets be real, only androgenic/anabolic compounds really lead to noteworthy muscle gains. That said, both of these are ideal products for me right now. EndoAmp has an amazing list of documented benefits as well as lowering cortisol and helping with mental acuity. I dont feel the nootropic benefits of this product should be overlooked either.

I see a lot of people refer to the price of EndoAmp as well. I admit, $50 is a bit steep (im broke right now, barbri review course is $3k). However, when you look at the AMOUNT you are getting it is easily one of the best deals around. Compared to most PAS caps out there you are getting a LOT more bang for your buck. 100mg caps vs 800mg 1 serving doses with EndoAmp. These are the therapeutic doses you need to actually deliver on some of these claims attributed to PAS. It's not just priced higher, the dosages are SMARTER and you pay for it. The same goes for Toco-8. Compare the price and the dosage to a competing toco formulation. Now's capped toco is only 24mg of total alpha/gamma per cap. Toco-8 has a much higher dose per serving.

Many companies throw in "hot" compounds so they can market them and list them on the label. Primordial is one company that actually commits to putting the DOSAGES needed to deliver on claims made. A lot of companies include low dosages that really dont cut it in order to keep a price point more appealing. Primordial doesn't seem to sacrifice effectiveness for a price point.

I have no ties to PP, i don't get any free ****, i have no incentive to say this. It's just refreshing to see a company with a lineup of such solid, established (by science) products in dosage ranges that actually work. I dont think a lot of people realize this. There are not a lot of other supplement companies doing this. NP is one of the few that comes to mind for selling solid, documented compounds at decent prices in high dosages needed - and they are a BULK specialty company!
 
Alpine said:
Prepping for the Bar this summer as well as trying to stay lean when im stressed and craving fatty food all the time. I need all the help I can get for both body and mind.

I plan to pick up both Toco-8 and EndoAmp. You can say whatever you want about PS and how "much" of a difference its impact makes on overall physique. This is definitely an arguable point. However, its hard to argue that any other compound has as many studies backing that it does lower cortisol better than most options (7-keto is the only other thing I would take). I look at these products as smart choices for overall health and fitness more so than "muslce enhancing" options. Lets be real, only androgenic/anabolic compounds really lead to noteworthy muscle gains. That said, both of these are ideal products for me right now. EndoAmp has an amazing list of documented benefits as well as lowering cortisol and helping with mental acuity. I dont feel the nootropic benefits of this product should be overlooked either.

I see a lot of people refer to the price of EndoAmp as well. I admit, $50 is a bit steep. However, when you look at the AMOUNT you are getting it is easily one of the best deals around. Compared to most PS caps out there you are getting a LOT more bang for your buck. 100mg caps vs 800mg 1 serving doses with EndoAmp. These are the therapeutic doses you need to actually deliver on some of these claims about PS. It's not just priced higher, the dosages are SMARTER and you pay for it. The same goes for Toco-8. Compare the price and the dosage to a competing toco formulation. Now's capped toco is only 24mg of total alpha/gamma per cap. Toco-8 has a much higher dose per serving.

Many companies throw in "hot" compounds so they can market them and list them on the label. Primordial is one company that actually commits to putting the DOSAGES needed to deliver on claims made. A lot of companies include low dosages that really dont cut it in order to keep a price point more appealing. Primordial doesn't seem to sacrifice effectiveness for a price point.

I have no ties to PP, i don't get any free ****, i have no incentive to say this. It's just refreshing to see a company with a lineup of such solid, established (by science) products in dosage ranges that actually work. I dont think a lot of people realize this.
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It's really refreshing and rewarding to read posts like this. :)

We really do put a lot of time, effort, and hard work into the research and formulation of our products. I was drawn to Pp myself for the same reasons. I really admire eric's dedication in not only delivering innovative product formulations, but also to the time and research that's put forth behind it all as well.

I thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts, alpine.
 
^^^ How can u say that with a straight face? U took some insignificant studies...threw a product together , commissioned ZERO studies on your specific product and made claims based on the meaningless studies initially used used to throw this garbage together. Gimme a break ..this is everything that's wrong with this industry. Innovative ...6 oxo was innovative ...hpcd delivery was innovative .. this is regurgitated , anecdotal , BS combined with hype and marketing. Unreal.
Oh and go ahead and sling your insults since thats all you have since every word in this post is true. Shameful.
 
steveironman said:
^^^ How can u say that with a straight face? U took some insignificant studies...threw a product together , commissioned ZERO studies on your specific product and made claims based on the meaningless studies initially used used to throw this garbage together. Gimme a break ..this is everything that's wrong with this industry. Innovative ...6 oxo was innovative ...hpcd delivery was innovative .. this is regurgitated , anecdotal , BS combined with hype and marketing. Unreal.
Oh and go ahead and sling your insults since thats all you have since every word in this post is true. Shameful.
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Steve you're back! Good to see you again!

Im doing some more shilling on this thread... you should check it out and post some comments to bump it up -

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-Eric
 
Steve what we are talking he is the 'flight or fight' response.

Big cortisol means 'run away' and it makes full sense why when cortisol is high testosterone is low. Long term high cortisol is damaging - particularly excessive exercise and mental work.

PAS has a known nootrophic effect but the performance in blocking cortisol spikes looks okay to me.

Basically its a known biochemical pathway and the studies look fine. A-GPC has a big nootropic reputation. I like cholinergenic compounds alot - they seem to deliver for me. Evidence that GPC raises HGH isn't as strong but it looks to have some impact. A-GPC as a nootrophic agent isnt in doubt.

PAS is a standard supplement what Primordial are doing is getting the price down. Getting the cortisol response down is really important. Its okay when you're mid-twenties but the pressures of life from their on only increase. You don't another stress factor and what you need is 'fighting mode' rather than anxiousness.
 
steveironman said:
^^^ How can u say that with a straight face? U took some insignificant studies...threw a product together , commissioned ZERO studies on your specific product and made claims based on the meaningless studies initially used used to throw this garbage together. Gimme a break ..this is everything that's wrong with this industry. Innovative ...6 oxo was innovative ...hpcd delivery was innovative .. this is regurgitated , anecdotal , BS combined with hype and marketing. Unreal.
Oh and go ahead and sling your insults since thats all you have since every word in this post is true. Shameful.
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Welcome back!! :wave2:

Thanks for the bump, steve-o!
 
Ubiyca said:
Hey Eric, on page 8, did the people take the choline before or after their 'workout'?

I use EndoAmp directly after my workout.. this is correct eh?
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I would take it about an hour PRE-workout. This allows for the product to help mitigate the erratic fluctuation in the recovery period.
 
Trauma1 said:
I would take it about an hour PRE-workout. This allows for the product to help mitigate the erratic fluctuation in the recovery period.
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Oh shoot... thanks! lol

So I shouldn't take it after eh? I heard the half-life is like 12 hours or so is that correct? So if I take it 1 hour pre-workout I don't really need to worry too much about taking it post-workout right?

P.S Trauma.... Question I sent to Eric via PM, maybe you can help too..

Basically, my dad is 59, is in end-stage liver disease (cirrhosis) but he is doing OK.. hes still working like a dog, and whatnot.. hes a bit overweight though and he does take high blood pressure medication, and also beta-blockers.

Should I get him to take some Endoamp Max?

I'm having him take a bunch of other supps right now including BCAAs, SAMe, Stoked!, etc etc... I know the stuff in Endoamp is good for the liver, but what do you think?
 
Ubiyca said:
Hey Eric, on page 8, did the people take the choline before or after their 'workout'?

I use EndoAmp directly after my workout.. this is correct eh?
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You should get the same benefit from PS no mater when you take it. There is some research to show that taking the A-GPC prior to exercise will enhance performance and the growth hormone surge.

_Eric
 
Ubiyca said:
Oh shoot... thanks! lol

So I shouldn't take it after eh? I heard the half-life is like 12 hours or so is that correct? So if I take it 1 hour pre-workout I don't really need to worry too much about taking it post-workout right?

P.S Trauma.... Question I sent to Eric via PM, maybe you can help too..

Basically, my dad is 59, is in end-stage liver disease (cirrhosis) but he is doing OK.. hes still working like a dog, and whatnot.. hes a bit overweight though and he does take high blood pressure medication, and also beta-blockers.

Should I get him to take some Endoamp Max?

I'm having him take a bunch of other supps right now including BCAAs, SAMe, Stoked!, etc etc... I know the stuff in Endoamp is good for the liver, but what do you think?
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Did you consider milk thistle? EndoAmp Max wont put any strain on the liver but Im not sure if it really has any benefits for it.

-Eric
 
Our EndoAmp Max is the perfect addition to any supplement regimen. It contains ingredients that are scientifically shown to be effective in their current dosing. Primordial Performance accepts nothing less.

There is no better way to mitigate cortisol (without suppressing it and causing havoc in the hormonal feedback loop), as well as enhancing natural production of HGH to support and enhance muscle gains!





-John
 
Trauma1 said:
Our EndoAmp Max is the perfect addition to any supplement regimen. It contains ingredients that are scientifically shown to be effective in their current dosing. Primordial Performance accepts nothing less.

There is no better way to mitigate cortisol (without suppressing it and causing havoc in the hormonal feedback loop), as well as enhancing natural production of HGH to support and enhance muscle gains!





-John
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Couldnt agree more, when i ran this before i was even brought onto the Primordial team i enjoyed it big time, great sleep, tasted great ( lol ), felt fuller, and also i noticed my mood was up big time!
 
3clipseGT said:
Couldnt agree more, when i ran this before i was even brought onto the Primordial team i enjoyed it big time, great sleep, tasted great ( lol ), felt fuller, and also i noticed my mood was up big time!
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Yep - This is a product that is both versatile and dynamic. It could easily be a staple product in helping you to achieve your goals no matter what they are.

EndoAmp Max delivers!!




-John
 
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