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N-acetyl-cysteine

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Any fans out there of NAC? I've used when I ran orals & it's treated my liver very well.

I just read something about how it is now known to help lessen the effects of covid..

Just like ephedrine helps with covid, you can no longer find it. Or at least, not as easily.

Look for it on Amazon. You won't find it. Evidently, the govt is cracking down on the sale of NAC..

Are we still in panic mode!?
 
enhanced said:
Any fans out there of NAC? I've used when I ran orals & it's treated my liver very well.

I just read something about how it is now known to help lessen the effects of covid..

Just like ephedrine helps with covid, you can no longer find it. Or at least, not as easily.

Look for it on Amazon. You won't find it. Evidently, the govt is cracking down on the sale of NAC..

Are we still in panic mode!?
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Just ordered it yesterday. It’s still very readably available
 
At first Amazon was going to allow it to be sold as a single ingredient but not in formulas. Now I see some of the single ingredient ones down too. But some are still up.

I think it’s more of an Amazon issue than an FDA issue though. Amazon has a few things they don’t allow for sale that are pretty common. Normally it has to do with stupid claims made - like the idiotic companies calling NAC a covid cure and a hangover cure.
 
So someone makes a claim for NAC helping with Covid and NAC gets pulled of the market. Seems like a good way to get rid of something you want to get rid off. Start spreading claims on how your competitors product cures Covid and it's good riddens.
 
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I used to take NAC almost daily. Not anymore. I’m now a bit concerned about it’s possible role in cancer initiation as reported in few studies.
 
enhanced said:
Any fans out there of NAC? I've used when I ran orals & it's treated my liver very well.

I just read something about how it is now known to help lessen the effects of covid..

Just like ephedrine helps with covid, you can no longer find it. Or at least, not as easily.

Look for it on Amazon. You won't find it. Evidently, the govt is cracking down on the sale of NAC..

Are we still in panic mode!?
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None of this is remotely true. Only tin foil is hard to find these days.
 
KvanH said:
So someone makes a claim for NAC helping with Covid and NAC gets pulled of the market. Seems like a good way to get rid of something you want to get rid off. Start spreading claims on how your competitors product cures Covid and it's good riddens.
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Vitamin D and C are readily available......

Only tin foil is in short supply...
 
DieselNY said:
Vitamin D and C are readily available......

Only tin foil is in short supply...
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Ok, that's good to hear. It would be idiotic, if nac (or anything) would be hard to get, due to some claims of it helping with Covid or anything else. I like to wrap some of my cooked meat on tin foil though, so hopefully I can still get it.
 
enhanced said:
Any fans out there of NAC? I've used when I ran orals & it's treated my liver very well.

I just read something about how it is now known to help lessen the effects of covid..

Just like ephedrine helps with covid, you can no longer find it. Or at least, not as easily.

Look for it on Amazon. You won't find it. Evidently, the govt is cracking down on the sale of NAC..

Are we still in panic mode!?
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I take 1800mg of NAC daily. I started a year ago because I began to research what supplements I should take when COVID was effecting China. The top 3 supplements I found in my research was NAC, tumeric extract, and Resveratrol. Those three were recommended to keep the body from going into a deadly cytokine storm. So when I got COVID last November, it was a breeze. Fever less than two days, no lung issues, and got over it quickly.
 
KvanH said:
So someone makes a claim for NAC helping with Covid and NAC gets pulled of the market. Seems like a good way to get rid of something you want to get rid off. Start spreading claims on how your competitors product cures Covid and it's good riddens.
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It's not about what research shows an ingredient can help with, what your product can help with, or what someone claims a competitors product can help with. It's about irresponsible companies using the word 'Cure' on their products. In the case of NAC, there have been irresponsible companies that have recently gotten warning letters for marketing NAC containing products as a Hangover 'Cure' and a cure for Covid. On a supplement, a company is not legally allowed to market it as a 'Cure' for anything. They could have said 'Helps alleviate the symptoms of a hangover' but cannot say 'hangover cure'.

That's why every supplement labels is supposed to contain the statement 'This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease'.

Plus, Amazon has their own supplement polices. Just because something isn't allowed on Amazon doesn't mean it isn't legal. This isn't the first time this has happened with Amazon, its just the most high profile. Pretty much anytime the FDA mentions anything, Amazon removes it. Examples are Higenamine, Hordenine, Laxogenin, and a lot more.

In this case, this is the way it was explained to me and seems true:

Company XYZ (actually more than one, but just an example) markets NAC as a Hangover 'Cure' and gets a warning letter. (The letter seemed to be more over the word 'cure' than the ingredient itself).

Company (___ # of idiots) start marketing products as Covid cures or saying it can prevent Covid and that gets FDA attention.

Amazon, seeing the warning letters and the wording about NAC being in formulations for hangover 'cures' pulls Amazon in formulations saying that the FDA considered it a drug. The feeling in the industry is that this stemmed from the warning letter saying they company was making drug claims that NAC was a Hangover 'Cure' bc the word Cure would be considered a drug claim.
^^^ That's why Amazon's original statement was leaving NAC available as a single ingredient but not as a formula. But it now looks like they took those down too.


Bottom line - Companies that make stupid and irresponsible claims cause a lot of damage in this industry and screw things up for everyone.
 
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sns8778 said:
It's not about what research shows an ingredient can help with, what your product can help with, or what someone claims a competitors product can help with. It's about irresponsible companies using the word 'Cure' on their products. In the case of NAC, there have been irresponsibly companies that have recently gotten warning letters for marketing NAC containing products as a Hangover 'Cure' and a cure for Covid. On a supplement, a company is not legally allowed to market it as a 'Cure' for anything. They could have said 'Helps alleviate the symptoms of a hangover' but cannot say 'hangover cure'.

That's why every supplement labels is supposed to contain the statement 'This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease'.

Plus, Amazon has their own supplement polices. Just because something isn't allowed on Amazon doesn't mean it isn't legal. This isn't the first time this has happened with Amazon, its just the most high profile. Pretty much anytime the FDA mentions anything, Amazon removes it. Examples are Higenamine, Hordenine, Laxogenin, and a lot more.

In this case, this is the way it was explained to me and seems true:

Company XYZ (actually more than one, but just an example) markets NAC as a Hangover 'Cure' and gets a warning letter. (The letter seemed to be more over the word 'cure' than the ingredient itself).

Company (___ # of idiots) start marketing products as Covid cures or saying it can prevent Covid and that gets FDA attention.

Amazon, seeing the warning letters and the wording about NAC being in formulations for hangover 'cures' pulls Amazon in formulations saying that the FDA considered it a drug. The feeling in the industry is that this stemmed from the warning letter saying they company was making drug claims that NAC was a Hangover 'Cure' bc the word Cure would be considered a drug claim.
^^^ That's why Amazon's original statement was leaving NAC available as a single ingredient but not as a formula. But it now looks like they took those down too.


Bottom line - Companies that make stupid and irresponsible claims cause a lot of damage in this industry and screw things up for everyone.
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I agree with the last paragraph and everything what you said makes sense. My point was mainly that any kind of action and restrictions should only be applied towards the companies and products that have these unwarranted claims. It's a shame if a company A makes stupid claims regarding nac, then company B's nac will also get pulled from Amazon. And the starting post of this thread made it seem like all nac products are getting pulled in the US. As I don't live in the US, I don't know if there was any truth to it ir not.
 
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KvanH said:
I agree with the last paragraph and everything what you said makes sense. My point was mainly that any kind of action and restrictions should only be applied towards the companies and products that have these unwarranted claims. It's a shame if a company A makes stupid claims regarding nac, then company B's nac will also get pulled from Amazon. And the starting post of this thread made it seem like all nac products are getting pulled in the US. As I don't live in the US, I don't how if there was any truth to it ir not.
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I agree that it absolutely sucks when other companies are hurt by the ones that do things the wrong way. Amazon is so large, that sometimes they make decisions along the lines of its just easier to remove all of a certain type of product rather than decide which ones are okay and which ones aren't. I wish that wasn't the way they do things but it is.

I think a lot of people mistakenly think that what Amazon does is indicative of FDA policy, but sometimes Amazon pulls things for other reasons, like discussing above. I remember at one time Bucked Up had to change their pre workout formula to do a version just for Amazon that didn't have Deer Velvet Antler in it, yet the version with it was sold at Walmart.com, GNC, etc.

It's a pain when stuff like this happens bc then companies have to do versions of products unique to Amazon (but that doesn't bother Amazon bc its not their money and it also gives them a version that isn't sold elsewhere) or reformulate products altogether.

For example, we had just gotten Liver Assist XT back in stock. So for me, it puts me in the situation - do I not want it listed on Amazon, do I reformulate it and take NAC out, or do I want to do an Amazon specific version?
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I take 1800mg of NAC daily. I started a year ago because I began to research what supplements I should take when COVID was effecting China. The top 3 supplements I found in my research was NAC, tumeric extract, and Resveratrol. Those three were recommended to keep the body from going into a deadly cytokine storm. So when I got COVID last November, it was a breeze. Fever less than two days, no lung issues, and got over it quickly.
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Sounds like you got it worse than most guess vitamins don't help much.
 
A lot of confusion here about the ingredient. :)

The FDA sent out warning letters stating that NAC is not a dietary ingredient. A new ingredient application would need to be submitted for it. Their argument is that NAC was offered in the past as a drug by pharma. This is actually true. There was one from the 80s and iirc another one in the 60s I think.

Why did Amazon pull it, this is likely due to Amazon’s recent policy of having their own qualifications system to allow or disallow what supplements can or can not be sold on their store. NAC appears to have gotten the axe as none of them can be found on there. Not from Life Extension and not from Solgar. If you go to Life Extension’s site however, they are still selling it. I personally bought 4 bottles just in case (it has some good uses).

As for what NAC does for COVID. It’s not going to prevent you from getting it, as far as I understand. What it may be beneficial for has been the ability to loosen mucous from your lungs. COVID being a respiratory disease which results in quite severe pneumonia, this is useful as treatment, though what they’ve been doing has been intravenous administration. It’s unclear if it has the same mucous loosening effects when administered orally. The other thing NAC is mainly used for is as a treatment in the first ten hours of acetaminophen poisoning (I said first 10 hours as that is the most effective, past that window, it becomes far less effective at preventing seriously negative outcomes). This is why you see it in a lot of cycle guard products (methylated products =‘s negative impact to the liver similar to why one needs to be careful when taking Tylenol). There’s also another lesser known beneficial effect of NAC in that it may potentiate nitrates so it’s something you can take together with nitrates.

As for severity of the VID if you catch it, I’m not sure there’s all that much one can do to prevent whatever it is you will end up experiencing. The research on nutritional interventions have been mainly on treatment, there isn’t all that much in regards to prevention apart from well, just get the vaccination if it’s available to you. Why do some people not get hit as hard? This happens, LOTS of evidence for asymptomatic infections. It’s a thing, it happens. I live almost all my life without getting a flu shot apart from the past 3 years. I’m pretty certain I must have been infected plenty of times except that the symptoms were just not severe for me. I had the vaccine, both shots, I was preparing for the worse especially the second shot and nada. What has been suggested is those whom reacted strongly after getting vaccinated (but not have the VID), they likely have very active immune systems and thus triggered a strong reaction (those that caught the VID, that is really a coincidence just like how lots of people get the flu after a flu shot, they likely caught it and it was incubating and coincided with getting a vaccine). No harm in taking things like D3, etc., just keep in mind it’s not that great of a indicator of if you will catch the VID and how severe it may be.
 
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ironkill said:
I've seen the recent study. Rodent model but still makes ya think
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I think this is along similar lines of some antioxidants can promote the growth of tumors. NAC is a antioxidant. Specifically in lung cancer. They showed this with vitamin E as well.
 
ironkill said:
I've seen the recent study. Rodent model but still makes ya think
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In one study the dose used for cancer initiation was about 6g human equivalent dose. which is not that high. It’s what ? only 5 times higher than what most people use usually part of their staple.
 
Rostam said:
In one study the dose used for cancer initiation was about 6g human equivalent dose. which is not that high. It’s what ? only 5 times higher than what most people use usually part of their staple.
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It’s not really about the dose, the importance is that antioxidants may not be great for individuals whom are predisposed to cancer/already have it (in this case, lung cancer). Folate iirc does something similar to those whom already have cancer, for obvious reasons, as it promotes cell growth and proliferation.
 
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