i felt lethargic the first week and a half on m-drol, now i feel great, libido is through the roof, as well as strength. I have used epidrol before (basically same as epistane) and was fine with no post cycle therapy, kept my gains, and didnt shutdown or crash really. I am doing a CKD diet currently and its working great. I was getting insane carb cravings at first (especially at night) but now they are basically gone. I am leaning out while getting stronger and more vascular. post cycle therapy i am going to use nolva, drive, rpm, retain2 and i have some 6 oxo sitting around.