My off season journey of going from 254 to 265 pounds hi tech sustanon 250 prohormone

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Transdermal test would definitely be good for his body vs forcing liver metabolism and enzyme conversion of 4Andro if injection is just off the table.

But seriously OP, the injections are nothing. You could get Nebido/test undec and pin once a month.
the longer esters (well anything bar prop or suspension) go fine sub q with a 25g (and I know people use 27s etc.

barely feel a thing.
 
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At the end of the day you want something you take the negatives that come with it. The pain, the pip, the scar tissue and what not. If you don’t want to deal with that you stay natural and it’s fine. You don’t go on orals year round which is going to completely wreck your liver on the long run, stress your kidneys, shut you down without replacing your testosterone... leaving your body in a very toxic environment... you’re basically never in homeostasis. This whole idea sounds like an alcoholic that doesn’t have the money to buy alcohol so he’s drinking cologne.
 

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At the end of the day you want something you take the negatives that come with it. The pain, the pip, the scar tissue and what not. If you don’t want to deal with that you stay natural and it’s fine. You don’t go on orals year round which is going to completely wreck your liver on the long run, stress your kidneys, shut you down without replacing your testosterone... leaving your body in a very toxic environment... you’re basically never in homeostasis. This whole idea sounds like an alcoholic that doesn’t have the money to buy alcohol so he’s drinking cologne.
or hand sanitizer......

but yeah this has been my thought. Test is the only really legit way to do this imo.

people tend to forget but the kidneys don’t repair themselves like the liver. You **** your kidneys and you are ducked. I’d only raise it as it’s the year round crazy long term thing, nobody is getting issues even from some over use of andros but ultimately there’s just a much much better way to do what you wanna do
 
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or hand sanitizer......
But they would keep your insides clean, not like normal alcohol that destroys your liver. I usually drink 1 vodka bottle a day and a few bears that replace my need for eating carbs. I find this regime works great for staying lean and not dying of old age. But what do you think about doing a cycle of hand sanitizer? Would that help detox (clean) my liver?

And I don't want any lectures, rather just want opinions on the dosage of the sanitizer and how to cycle it properly. Thank you.
 
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But they would keep your insides clean, not like normal alcohol that destroys your liver. I usually drink 1 vodka bottle a day and a few bears that replace my need for eating carbs. I find this regime works great for staying lean and not dying of old age. But what do you think about doing a cycle of hand sanitizer? Would that help detox (clean) my liver?

And I don't want any lectures, rather just want opinions on the dosage of the sanitizer and how to cycle it properly. Thank you.

No, brother.
 
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But they would keep your insides clean, not like normal alcohol that destroys your liver. I usually drink 1 vodka bottle a day and a few bears that replace my need for eating carbs. I find this regime works great for staying lean and not dying of old age. But what do you think about doing a cycle of hand sanitizer? Would that help detox (clean) my liver?

And I don't want any lectures, rather just want opinions on the dosage of the sanitizer and how to cycle it properly. Thank you.
Two sprays a day kept my butthole clean and my energy levels optimal!
 
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But they would keep your insides clean, not like normal alcohol that destroys your liver. I usually drink 1 vodka bottle a day and a few bears that replace my need for eating carbs. I find this regime works great for staying lean and not dying of old age. But what do you think about doing a cycle of hand sanitizer? Would that help detox (clean) my liver?

And I don't want any lectures, rather just want opinions on the dosage of the sanitizer and how to cycle it properly. Thank you.
^Underrated trolling
 

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Okay so I'm done with the prohormone mixture tomorrow I gained 6 pounds so not that crazy and my shoulders and arms look a little fuller it seems like it wasn't strong enough for me I will start up with some good old dianabol instead soon
 
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Having said that, the difference between the top 1% and the top 0.5% is tremendous. That's where the real freaks come out. I mean, look at Ronnie Coleman's claims of what he achieved naturally - if you believe his claims then he achieved more without steroids than I could with huge cycles. I'm just never going to be at that level, and I know I'm not going to be the biggest guy. But if most people would adjust their expectations, they would be able to plan better and achieve realistic goals rather than fail at unrealistic goals.
Ronnie Coleman has one of the worst GH guts in the biz if you ask me. It's OBVIOUS he used AAS/GH throughout his entire career. You basically can't get to the level he got without them.

And I know some pros my self so I know what you mean but I'm not wiling to inject the amounts of juice and site enhancement there doing to get to that level
Are you afraid of injecting or don't have a source? I mean Hi-Tech Sust isn't the worst thing to use. the 4andros shouldn't be really hard on your liver, but the epiandro is a different story. It's really a matter of it just being a gimmick rip off product you could be on something better and at lower price. Multiple esters of 4andro (4DHEA) is a joke. Are you getting regular blood tests? Plus, I'll bring this up and I know Renew will jump all over me, but 4DHEA is also converting to androstenedione which as a very high conversion rate to estrogen and has show to cause muscle loss in at least one study.
 
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Ronnie Coleman has one of the worst GH guts in the biz if you ask me. It's OBVIOUS he used AAS/GH throughout his entire career. You basically can't get to the level he got without them.



Are you afraid of injecting or don't have a source? I mean Hi-Tech Sust isn't the worst thing to use. the 4andros shouldn't be really hard on your liver, but the epiandro is a different story. It's really a matter of it just being a gimmick rip off product you could be on something better and at lower price. Multiple esters of 4andro (4DHEA) is a joke. Are you getting regular blood tests? Plus, I'll bring this up and I know Renew will jump all over me, but 4DHEA is also converting to androstenedione which as a very high conversion rate to estrogen and has show to cause muscle loss in at least one study.
You're right....
That I'll always be here to state that 4DHEA Does Not cause muscle loss.

But what Really caught my attention was your comment above that.
Looks like you were saying that Epiandro is a rip-off compound. Which it Definitely is Not.
As a matter of fact, I've got more on the way to me now.
Some of the most experienced guys on the board love that compound.
.... And we're not big on just throwing money away.
 
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You're right....
That I'll always be here to state that 4DHEA Does Not cause muscle loss.

But what Really caught my attention was your comment above that.
Looks like you were saying that Epiandro is a rip-off compound. Which it Definitely is Not.
As a matter of fact, I've got more on the way to me now.
Some of the most experienced guys on the board love that compound.
.... And we're not big on just throwing money away.
No, I'm not saying epiandro is a rip off, just harder on your liver than the 4DHEAs. Hi Tech Sustanon has 4DHEA in there like 4 times with all the same esters Sustanon has which is just totally useless when taken orally and is just a gimmick to make people think they're taking a superior product or getting more 4andro for their money.
 
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Ronnie Coleman has one of the worst GH guts in the biz if you ask me. It's OBVIOUS he used AAS/GH throughout his entire career. You basically can't get to the level he got without them.



Are you afraid of injecting or don't have a source? I mean Hi-Tech Sust isn't the worst thing to use. the 4andros shouldn't be really hard on your liver, but the epiandro is a different story. It's really a matter of it just being a gimmick rip off product you could be on something better and at lower price. Multiple esters of 4andro (4DHEA) is a joke. Are you getting regular blood tests? Plus, I'll bring this up and I know Renew will jump all over me, but 4DHEA is also converting to androstenedione which as a very high conversion rate to estrogen and has show to cause muscle loss in at least one study.
I am not saying he didn't use everything and the kitchen sink in his career. But I remember when he was a NOBODY. Actually, at one point I had an online supplement company in the late 1990's and I used to have a regular customer, a woman, who worked out at a gym with Ronnie and knew him. We were talking once and she mentioned knowing him pretty well and at that time I thought, "Cool." and didn't think much of it because he didn't even really get noticed at the Olympia. He was basically a nobody. A couple years before, in 1994 - he looked was more aesthetic than he was big. No gut at all. Fast forward to 1998 and he's taking it all. Crazy change. I never saw it coming. Obviously between then he hit everything he could haha.

But prior to that, he claims he went pro without using drugs. I don't necessarily believe it, but...I think the point is that those guys have crazy genes and can do more without drugs than a lot of us do with drugs.
 
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No, I'm not saying epiandro is a rip off, just harder on your liver than the 4DHEAs. Hi Tech Sustanon has 4DHEA in there like 4 times with all the same esters Sustanon has which is just totally useless when taken orally and is just a gimmick to make people think they're taking a superior product or getting more 4andro for their money.
Yeah, I don't like it when companies do that. And they Know that some new guys will look at it and think, "Wow, look at all those ingredients"!.

Epiandro isn't that toxic.
But I DO use it transdermally. (Not because of potential toxicity. But because it is a more effective delivery method)
 

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I am not saying he didn't use everything and the kitchen sink in his career. But I remember when he was a NOBODY. Actually, at one point I had an online supplement company in the late 1990's and I used to have a regular customer, a woman, who worked out at a gym with Ronnie and knew him. We were talking once and she mentioned knowing him pretty well and at that time I thought, "Cool." and didn't think much of it because he didn't even really get noticed at the Olympia. He was basically a nobody. A couple years before, in 1994 - he looked was more aesthetic than he was big. No gut at all. Fast forward to 1998 and he's taking it all. Crazy change. I never saw it coming. Obviously between then he hit everything he could haha.

But prior to that, he claims he went pro without using drugs. I don't necessarily believe it, but...I think the point is that those guys have crazy genes and can do more without drugs than a lot of us do with drugs.
yeah 💯 genetics and dedication easily outweigh steroids in terms of growth potential. We all know guys who use massive amounts of gear but at **** and don’t lift hard and you’d barely know they juiced. Then there’s guys I know are natty who look better and bigger just from dedication to the iron, their nutrition and good genetics. I knew a guy who could add muscle and shred up within a month of semi consistent lifting, 💯 not juicing, just good genes and in his 20s so naturally good hormones. He just never stuck at it and after I started using gear I overtook him eventually as I am consistent. But without gear he was miles ahead (I had dedication but **** genes).

genes>dedication>gear imo
 

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