My off season journey of going from 254 to 265 pounds hi tech sustanon 250 prohormone

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I disagree, Im 6’1, 230 with around 12-13% bf and I would not call me big, sure, I’m a “big guy” in general settings but in any bodybuilding setting I’m nothing impressive, in fact I would be called fat or bulky.

Idk, I’m just getting tired of the circle jerking on this board sometimes
‘Bodybuilding settings are totally different than 99% of the population. Even though must of us look in the mirror and don’t think we are that big, but reality is we are.
 

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I disagree, Im 6’1, 230 with around 12-13% bf and I would not call me big, sure, I’m a “big guy” in general settings but in any bodybuilding setting I’m nothing impressive, in fact I would be called fat or bulky.

Idk, I’m just getting tired of the circle jerking on this board sometimes
with your stats I’d personally view you the same way the OP views himself, not a mass monster but bigger than average.

im not disagreeing with your or @Mathb33 in that’s theres defo bigger guys out there and yeah we are relying on someone’s word re BF but I guess I come from the angle that looks from a normal person perspective (as I’ve never been near a show and I don’t train in a proper hardcore bb gym). To a normal average globo goer the dude is big (as are you). To me it anyone attaining 200lbs of lbm has probably had to be pretty committed to training for a decent period of time and I’ll always have respect for that. Most people fall by the wayside when **** gets tough.
 

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‘Bodybuilding settings are totally different than 99% of the population. Even though must of us look in the mirror and don’t think we are that big, but reality is we are.
sure, but this is the steroid section of a “bodybuilding” forum, you don’t think we should hold ourselves to higher standards?
 

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(as I’ve never been near a show and I don’t train in a proper hardcore bb gym)
If lifting/working out/BB is a big part of your life you definitely missing out if you don’t do any of that.

My favorite gym is Gold’s Gym (The Mecca) in Venice Beach, I have friends that compete out of that gym, and I try to go there when I’m in LA, it’s very motivating and a great experience. I also been to the Olympia and different fitness expo’s, my wife competed in Bikini etc. So yeah, not many ppl impress me with their physique.
 
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If lifting/working out/BB is a big part of your life you definitely missing out if you don’t do any of that.

My favorite gym is Gold’s Gym (The Mecca) in Venice Beach, I have friends that compete out of that gym, and I try to go there when I’m in LA, it’s very motivating and a great experience. I also been to the Olympia and different fitness expo’s, my wife competed in Bikini etc. So yeah, not many ppl impress me with their physique.


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If lifting/working out/BB is a big part of your life you definitely missing out if you don’t do any of that.

My favorite gym is Gold’s Gym (The Mecca) in Venice Beach, I have friends that compete out of that gym, and I try to go there when I’m in LA, it’s very motivating and a great experience. I also been to the Olympia and different fitness expo’s, my wife competed in Bikini etc. So yeah, not many ppl impress me with their physique.
to be honest bro I’m miles from that level. I’m stronger than the average globo gym goer and my body comp is better than average guy but I’m not doing this to be at that level.

i do it because I enjoy the process of trying to better myself, I enjoy challenging my body and mainly I want to look decent. If I had the genetics (or if I hadn’t spent my teens and 20’s morbidly obese) then maybe I’d have a crack at doing a masters show or something but I’m realistic about where I’m at.

better than average is cool with me, amongst my peers I’m the strong fit one, that’s an ok place to be for me.
 
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@BBiceps i respect and love everyone on this thread but you’re losing your time here trying to express your point. I do fully understand it and agree.
 
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sure, but this is the steroid section of a “bodybuilding” forum, you don’t think we should hold ourselves to higher standards?
Of course we should I don’t argue that.

Depends what your goals are I guess. I run stuff but never any big harsh cycles and happy with being about 25% bigger than my natural limit. Everyone trains for different reasons just like there are different pro levels. Some stay with physique while others go for classic or ifbb pro size.
 

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No.
It just comes naturally.
:)
I wasn’t trying to brag or try to impress anyone, everything I said I done can easily be done by anyone but if you want I can erase my post just so you others can pretend that you’re “big enough”.
 
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I wasn’t trying to brag or try to impress anyone, everything I said I done can easily be done by anyone but if you want I can erase my post just so you others can pretend that you’re “big enough”.
Nah.

My penis is big enough that I don't have to act bigger than everybody else.

But thanks!
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But if you like, I'll erase my post, so you can pretend your penis is big enough.
 
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@BBiceps i respect and love everyone on this thread but you’re losing your time here trying to express your point. I do fully understand it and agree.
I totally understand where he is going. And wish I could train in a gym like that and be around those people. I bet I would progress so much working out with those mindsets instead of New York sports club that I’m stuck with due to my location.
 
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Hi-Tech Sustanon is a legit prohormone (unlike I thought it would be). Like it's name sake,it has 4DHEA bound to different esters.

Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Sustanon 250 Ingredients
Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Servings per Container: 30

Amount per Serving %Daily Value

Proprietary Blend: 250mg *

4 androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Propionate 30mg *

4 androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Enanthate 45mg *

4 androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Isocaproate 45mg *

4 androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Decanoate 30mg *

3 Beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androstan-17-one 100mg *
3Beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androstan-17-one is Epiandro so that's a lot of stuff going through your liver. Not to mention, you don't need 4 different esters of 4DHEA.

I hope you're getting blood tested regularly.
 
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Cruising on PH's ... that's a first. OP please stop doing that, please. It's so sub optimal and frustrating reading that that I can't get my self to write a proper response. Same goes with dbol. If you want to cruise pin test and some primo. Or just test. Your life, mood, energy, libido, gains in the gym, body health will all greatly improve. You know, with blasting and cruising it's a compromise between longevity and quality of life. With what you are doing; you are just shortening the longevity and not really contributing to quality. It makes no sense, except for the fact you have more muslce mass.

I don't get the whole negativity around the "is he big or not" debate though ...? He's a big person, but he is fat. Diet down and he's probably 200 - 210 (it's hard keeping muscle on a cut, especially if you're only on orals). Beeing lean 6 foot 200 is an impressive physique, but not in the bb world. That's it, why the negativity? Calm down ya'll.
 
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I agree - people have unrealistic expectations in their heads about size. I'm 5'8'' and I used to think I had to be 200 pounds if I wanted to look like I worked out - as a natural. It took me a long time to realize that less than 1% of the population is walking around at 5'8'' and even 170 @ 10% bodyfat. Those stats are actually an impressive physique that, if most people saw it in real life, would KNOW someone was in shape and worked out. Are they going to win Mr. O? No way at all. But you'd still be in the top 1-2% of the general population I bet.

Having said that, the difference between the top 1% and the top 0.5% is tremendous. That's where the real freaks come out. I mean, look at Ronnie Coleman's claims of what he achieved naturally - if you believe his claims then he achieved more without steroids than I could with huge cycles. I'm just never going to be at that level, and I know I'm not going to be the biggest guy. But if most people would adjust their expectations, they would be able to plan better and achieve realistic goals rather than fail at unrealistic goals.
 
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I agree - people have unrealistic expectations in their heads about size. I'm 5'8'' and I used to think I had to be 200 pounds if I wanted to look like I worked out - as a natural. It took me a long time to realize that less than 1% of the population is walking around at 5'8'' and even 170 @ 10% bodyfat. Those stats are actually an impressive physique that, if most people saw it in real life, would KNOW someone was in shape and worked out. Are they going to win Mr. O? No way at all. But you'd still be in the top 1-2% of the general population I bet.

Having said that, the difference between the top 1% and the top 0.5% is tremendous. That's where the real freaks come out. I mean, look at Ronnie Coleman's claims of what he achieved naturally - if you believe his claims then he achieved more without steroids than I could with huge cycles. I'm just never going to be at that level, and I know I'm not going to be the biggest guy. But if most people would adjust their expectations, they would be able to plan better and achieve realistic goals rather than fail at unrealistic goals.
Although I see where you’re going and agree to some degree I can’t understand why you guys KEEP comparing to the society which is mediocre. Everybody keeps stating the average of the society like it’s a standard... it’s pathetic to even compare yourself to such low standard in my eyes. We are on a bodybuilding forums let’s compare ourselves to the bodybuilding world. 5 foot 8 170 lbs 10% might be very good compared to our pathetic and out of shape society but it’s god damn average in the bodybuilding world. That’s what the conversation was about.
 
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@HIT4ME Ronnie colman downplayed his aas usage a lot. In that interview with joe rogan, it was pathetic, didn't even really try to sound convincing XD
 
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Although I see where you’re going and agree to some degree I can’t understand why you guys KEEP comparing to the society which is mediocre. Everybody keeps stating the average of the society like it’s a standard... it’s pathetic to even compare yourself to such low standard in my eyes. We are on a bodybuilding forums let’s compare ourselves to the bodybuilding world. 5 foot 8 170 lbs 10% might be very good compared to our pathetic and out of shape society but it’s god damn average in the bodybuilding world. That’s what the conversation was about.
While I do agree with you, I think you are making a somewhat error by stating that this is a "BB" forum. There are no pro's here. This is a really conservative forum, where there are a lot of gym bro's but no bb's. Lot's of PH, andro users, ... and even we that do use aas are more or less conservative and don't have a BB's mentality nor goals. So while I do understand your sentiment, you wont get reciprocal thinking from most others. Go to PM, or something similar, for that kind of discourse. You might be one of the most serious guys here regarding all of this.

How's your prep going though?
 
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Yeah, this is not a BBing forum at all.
This is ANABOLIC Minds.

It does have a sub-forum:

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This has been discussed here many times.
There are many reasons for guys to have Anabolic Minds.

A lot of guys (myself included) never had any desire to be a professional level body-builder (I'm not talking work ethic here. ..... Desire.).

If guys want to feel above others because of their own personal choices ... Well, sometimes that'll happen.
But don't expect everyone else here to hold the same view of you that you hold of yourself.
Your interests are just .... Different than some others'.
 
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While I do agree with you, I think you are making a somewhat error by stating that this is a "BB" forum. There are no pro's here. This is a really conservative forum, where there are a lot of gym bro's but no bb's. Lot's of PH, andro users, ... and even we that do use aas are more or less conservative and don't have a BB's mentality nor goals. So while I do understand your sentiment, you wont get reciprocal thinking from most others. Go to PM, or something similar, for that kind of discourse. You might be one of the most serious guys here regarding all of this.

How's your prep going though?
Even though we don’t always agree you’re a smart guy and you’re right on a lot of things. Of course my language barrier probably makes it harder for me to really explain things how I would want to. I don’t see a bodybuilder as someone who competes but simply someone who wants to build a physique that’s out of the ordinary. I probably shouldn’t put everyone In the same basket though You’re right!
 
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Even though we don’t always agree you’re a smart guy and you’re right on a lot of things. Of course my language barrier probably makes it harder for me to really explain things how I would want to. I don’t see a bodybuilder as someone who competes but simply someone who wants to build a physique that’s out of the ordinary. I probably shouldn’t put everyone In the same basket though You’re right!

Are you French-Canadian?
 
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@Jinsun and prep is good! Im trying to grow without putting on too much fat like last years "bulk". Need to get some decent size though so definitely will have to accept some fat.getting dexas every 2-3 weeks since I have access to it half price. Also Probably going to hire fouad as a coach too in a couple weeks.
 
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@Jinsun and prep is good! Im trying to grow without putting on too much fat like last years "bulk". Need to get some decent size though so definitely will have to accept some fat.getting dexas every 2-3 weeks since I have access to it half price. Also Probably going to hire fouad as a coach too in a couple weeks.
Haha doing dexas every 2 weeks : D Joking aside, dayuum, now that's called being meticulous!

So I gather you are more or less on a high cruise with a slight kcal surplus? How much size you still need/want and in what time frame?
 
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Although I see where you’re going and agree to some degree I can’t understand why you guys KEEP comparing to the society which is mediocre. Everybody keeps stating the average of the society like it’s a standard... it’s pathetic to even compare yourself to such low standard in my eyes. We are on a bodybuilding forums let’s compare ourselves to the bodybuilding world. 5 foot 8 170 lbs 10% might be very good compared to our pathetic and out of shape society but it’s god damn average in the bodybuilding world. That’s what the conversation was about.
With all due respect, 5'8'' and 170# @ 10% is not "very good compared to our pathetic and out of shape society." It is, as you suggest the standard should be, "out of the ordinary" - if you're talking about a natural lifter. To put this in perspective, John Grimmek was 5'8'' and 180# @ 10% and he had some extraordinary genetics and, while his use of PEDs may be in question as he is probably in the last era of bodybuilding before they became readily available/used, he is a good representation of what most people's natural genetic limits are. For most people who are 5'8'' and 170# @10% - they are right at their genetic limits. This is not "very good compared to pathetic society" - this is extraordinary. I'm not saying for everyone, but for 99% of the population it is.

This is also why BMI turns out to be such a great indicator of health - there are VERY few people who will naturally carry so much muscle that they are over the weight limits set by these standards and not over-fat.

Yes, PEDs change these metrics. And almost all athletes and even most actors are using PEDs so we have a skewed sense of what is possible. Thinking Will Smith is just a typical guy definitely will make you feel like a "man" should carry 200# or more of muscle. Then again, it will also make you feel like a failure if you're barely paying your mortgage, two car loans, paying for your kids college and putting food on your table for your family if you think he is your typical "man".

I can agree that we are discussing PH use and such on a bodybuilding forum - so the standard could be higher. You could be in a group where you know 20 people who are all over 250 and 10% bodyfat - that doesn't make it "ordinary". It just means you are among a group that is more extraordinary.

The OP wasn't claiming to be a Mr. O and people calling him big weren't saying he was stage-ready for a bodybuilding competition. But for your average gym goer, even those that are using PHs and steroids, he is a big guy. Honestly, anyone over 200# at 10-15% is a bigger-than-average person. Before Yates, how many Mr. O's were over 250 and that is the #1 guy in the world. Sergio, Arnold, Haney....they were all mass MONSTERS in their day at 250. Granted, that's still probably 40 pounds of muscle more than the OP is claiming, but who on here wouldn't get blown away being compared to any of those guys.

Anyway, I don't want to come off as disrespecting your opinion, it is an interesting discussion and I appreciate the counterpoints.


@HIT4ME Ronnie colman downplayed his aas usage a lot. In that interview with joe rogan, it was pathetic, didn't even really try to sound convincing XD
I agree and you are right. I don't necessarily believe his claims 100%. But both he and Yates make claims about what they achieved naturally, which if only partially true, paint a picture that shows they had above average genetics to begin with and then they pulled out all the stops to achieve what they achieved. I mean, the photos of Yates after 1-2 years of training put most of us to shame if he is natural at that point. Unless he jumped in and started pinning right away, which is possible, his physique with 2 years of newbie gains rivals the physique of some of the people on this board using PEDs. We may not be an elite group, but we are above "average" for the pathetic society we live in :)

Again, I am agreeing with you and just trying to add in some nuance to my thoughts to better explain myself.
 
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Even though we don’t always agree you’re a smart guy and you’re right on a lot of things. Of course my language barrier probably makes it harder for me to really explain things how I would want to. I don’t see a bodybuilder as someone who competes but simply someone who wants to build a physique that’s out of the ordinary. I probably shouldn’t put everyone In the same basket though You’re right!
Honestly, I remember some of your earlier posts being very hard to understand - you've made tremendous improvements in the language barrier. That's tough, something I surely am not good at. I took French in high school and ....I just couldn't do it haha.
 
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With all due respect, 5'8'' and 170# @ 10% is not "very good compared to our pathetic and out of shape society." It is, as you suggest the standard should be, "out of the ordinary" - if you're talking about a natural lifter. To put this in perspective, John Grimmek was 5'8'' and 180# @ 10% and he had some extraordinary genetics and, while his use of PEDs may be in question as he is probably in the last era of bodybuilding before they became readily available/used, he is a good representation of what most people's natural genetic limits are. For most people who are 5'8'' and 170# @10% - they are right at their genetic limits. This is not "very good compared to pathetic society" - this is extraordinary. I'm not saying for everyone, but for 99% of the population it is.

This is also why BMI turns out to be such a great indicator of health - there are VERY few people who will naturally carry so much muscle that they are over the weight limits set by these standards and not over-fat.

Yes, PEDs change these metrics. And almost all athletes and even most actors are using PEDs so we have a skewed sense of what is possible. Thinking Will Smith is just a typical guy definitely will make you feel like a "man" should carry 200# or more of muscle. Then again, it will also make you feel like a failure if you're barely paying your mortgage, two car loans, paying for your kids college and putting food on your table for your family if you think he is your typical "man".

I can agree that we are discussing PH use and such on a bodybuilding forum - so the standard could be higher. You could be in a group where you know 20 people who are all over 250 and 10% bodyfat - that doesn't make it "ordinary". It just means you are among a group that is more extraordinary.

The OP wasn't claiming to be a Mr. O and people calling him big weren't saying he was stage-ready for a bodybuilding competition. But for your average gym goer, even those that are using PHs and steroids, he is a big guy. Honestly, anyone over 200# at 10-15% is a bigger-than-average person. Before Yates, how many Mr. O's were over 250 and that is the #1 guy in the world. Sergio, Arnold, Haney....they were all mass MONSTERS in their day at 250. Granted, that's still probably 40 pounds of muscle more than the OP is claiming, but who on here wouldn't get blown away being compared to any of those guys.

Anyway, I don't want to come off as disrespecting your opinion, it is an interesting discussion and I appreciate the counterpoints.




I agree and you are right. I don't necessarily believe his claims 100%. But both he and Yates make claims about what they achieved naturally, which if only partially true, paint a picture that shows they had above average genetics to begin with and then they pulled out all the stops to achieve what they achieved. I mean, the photos of Yates after 1-2 years of training put most of us to shame if he is natural at that point. Unless he jumped in and started pinning right away, which is possible, his physique with 2 years of newbie gains rivals the physique of some of the people on this board using PEDs. We may not be an elite group, but we are above "average" for the pathetic society we live in :)

Again, I am agreeing with you and just trying to add in some nuance to my thoughts to better explain myself.
Once again I might be too fast on choosing my words and I probably don’t portray your physique as it really. I don’t doubt you’re looking better than 98% of the people we see in the streets. Also, I have to learn to give credits to people for building a good physique without necessarily using all the tools that I am. 5 foot 8 170 lbs 10% is definitely something to be proud of. For some unknown reasons I thought you were cycles a lot like me.
 
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Once again I might be too fast on choosing my words and I probably don’t portray your physique as it really. I don’t doubt you’re looking better than 98% of the people we see in the streets. Also, I have to learn to give credits to people for building a good physique without necessarily using all the tools that I am. 5 foot 8 170 lbs 10% is definitely something to be proud of. For some unknown reasons I thought you were cycles a lot like me.
Haha - I wasn't necessarily talking about me, just giving a perspective using my height as an example because I had the data. I don't have a physique that lean, nor that muscular. Also - I think sometimes people think my avatar photo is me - it's not. It's Mike Mentzer, haha - just to be sure. He was a beast and I base a lot of my training philosophy around his ideas (right or wrong).

Even though we are communicating in my native language and I shouldn't have a barrier, I probably still don't convey my thoughts 100% clearly haha. I am just saying that you can't really say someone isn't extraordinary just because they're not in the top 0.1% of the population. Not saying you are wrong that their are REALLY big fuggers out there that would blow away someone who most people would see as extraordinary.

To put this in perspective another way, Brian Scalabrine played for the Celtics when they won their championship in 2008. He didn't even play in many of the playoff games. He kept the bench warm. Garnett and Pierce and Ray Allen and most of the team was better than he was.

But some top college recruits once talked some trash about him and he played them one on one and mopped the floor with them. Compared to Garnett he sucked. But he is still very talented and extraordinary - as are most people who play in the NBA. Even the worst people on a roster.

But, to your point, people who strive for that - like yourself - are rare indeed and it is an excellent standard to strive for.
 

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Even though we don’t always agree you’re a smart guy and you’re right on a lot of things. Of course my language barrier probably makes it harder for me to really explain things how I would want to. I don’t see a bodybuilder as someone who competes but simply someone who wants to build a physique that’s out of the ordinary. I probably shouldn’t put everyone In the same basket though You’re right!
yeah **** bro, never even considered there was any language difference till you said. Literally wouldn’t have guessed.

although I come from a different angle I do get your point and it’s absolutely legit. I guess I always come back to context (the whole, 6’4 guy is tall till you put him on a basket ball court etc).

you make a really valid point about not coming down to the shockingly bad standards that a lot of society have. That does resonate with me as we would all be doing ourselves a disservice comparing ourselves to a lot of people who just don’t give a **** and it shows. There’s probably a middle ground where we are comparing to the average gym goer though (in my mind this is where most of this forum sit, generally stronger/fitter than the average globo gym goer but rarely pro level). There are a lot of recreational aas users way below the levels people on here achieve, I’m stronger than many I know who use in my area and I’m nothing special by a long way (id be hammered in any powerlifting comp for example).

but yes, we shouldn’t be talking about the dross in society as what we aim to emulate. That’s like saying we have better moral values than Epstein
 
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Haha - I wasn't necessarily talking about me, just giving a perspective using my height as an example because I had the data. I don't have a physique that lean, nor that muscular. Also - I think sometimes people think my avatar photo is me - it's not. It's Mike Mentzer, haha - just to be sure. He was a beast and I base a lot of my training philosophy around his ideas (right or wrong).

Even though we are communicating in my native language and I shouldn't have a barrier, I probably still don't convey my thoughts 100% clearly haha. I am just saying that you can't really say someone isn't extraordinary just because they're not in the top 0.1% of the population. Not saying you are wrong that their are REALLY big fuggers out there that would blow away someone who most people would see as extraordinary.

To put this in perspective another way, Brian Scalabrine played for the Celtics when they won their championship in 2008. He didn't even play in many of the playoff games. He kept the bench warm. Garnett and Pierce and Ray Allen and most of the team was better than he was.

But some top college recruits once talked some trash about him and he played them one on one and mopped the floor with them. Compared to Garnett he sucked. But he is still very talented and extraordinary - as are most people who play in the NBA. Even the worst people on a roster.

But, to your point, people who strive for that - like yourself - are rare indeed and it is an excellent standard to strive for.
I appreciate the thoughts you put into this conservation. as I have high standard to myself I often make the mistake to put upon people the same standard and that’s something I have to work on in my life. Not because I want to be in the 1% means that less is shitty. I certainly will never achieve the goals I set myself. I simply aim high and hope to reach as high as possible for me. Appreciate the thoughts boys
 
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I appreciate the thoughts you put into this conservation. as I have high standard to myself I often make the mistake to put upon people the same standard and that’s something I have to work on in my life. Not because I want to be in the 1% means that less is shitty. I certainly will never achieve the goals I set myself. I simply aim high and hope to reach as high as possible for me. Appreciate the thoughts boys
You do you brother. Don't ever change your standards for others, just like you should never hold others to a standard you aren't holding yourself too.

Michael Jordan had high standards - but he also held himself to an even higher standard than others. Nothing wrong with being in the top 1%. Go for it!
 

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I just like being big and strong and I'm not trying to get a ifbb pro card just wanna look swole in a shirt I did think about competing in mens physique a few years ago but I gave that up
 

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Plus I work as a security guard so being big and strong helps getting jobs for me
 
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I don't get the whole negativity around the "is he big or not" debate though ...? He's a big person, but he is fat. Diet down and he's probably 200 - 210 (it's hard keeping muscle on a cut, especially if you're only on orals). Beeing lean 6 foot 200 is an impressive physique, but not in the bb world. That's it, why the negativity? Calm down ya'll.
Amen, well put
 
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Cool experiment - good luck @bigthug. Also, have you ever looked into transdermal AAS? Could be a bit safer cruise option.

I trained at 3 different gyms concurrently when I was cutting my teeth - a cheap fitness club, a dirty old strongman/power gym I drove to the next state on weekends, and a true competitive bodybuilder gym about 30 min away. Depending on the session and equipment we needed.

When you train around those guys, actual amateur competitors pushing to go pro - man there were some BIG freaks in there, and it definitely changes your perspective. One guy I always looked up to, just awesome look - he competed against John Meadows and Jon Anderson the show Anderson turned pro. All these signed photos of pros who would come through to train, all the old 90s guys plastered all over the tops of the walls, guys & gals would pose in trunks routinely. I think of them when I think big.

Same as the power gym, I saw guys pulling 700lb deadlifts and 500 bench presses...I watched 2 (TWO!) different strongman bench the 200lb dbs for several reps. So to me, I think of that as strong. Then all the stuff I’ve seen at competitions with my wife in recent years.

It’s just whatever you have been exposed to for the most part. But most people can’t relate to that, and that’s what reminds you it’s definitely an elite fraction of folks who ever get there.
 
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Plus I work as a security guard so being big and strong helps getting jobs for me
I was doing armed security work for a few rappers and the company that hired me had a min requirement in height,weight and build. I was 6’4 270 at the time and most of the other guys mogged me. I was also 25% + bf at the time
 
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@HIT4ME - thank you for including the White Mamba in this discussion. That was simply fantastic.
 
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@HIT4ME - thank you for including the White Mamba in this discussion. That was simply fantastic.
@jswain34 - Of course! That guy is my hero. No more in the history of the NBA has done more with less. Haha. I love that guy. But hey, I am a huge Celtics fan.
 

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Cool experiment - good luck @bigthug. Also, have you ever looked into transdermal AAS? Could be a bit safer cruise option.

I trained at 3 different gyms concurrently when I was cutting my teeth - a cheap fitness club, a dirty old strongman/power gym I drove to the next state on weekends, and a true competitive bodybuilder gym about 30 min away. Depending on the session and equipment we needed.

When you train around those guys, actual amateur competitors pushing to go pro - man there were some BIG freaks in there, and it definitely changes your perspective. One guy I always looked up to, just awesome look - he competed against John Meadows and Jon Anderson the show Anderson turned pro. All these signed photos of pros who would come through to train, all the old 90s guys plastered all over the tops of the walls, guys & gals would pose in trunks routinely. I think of them when I think big.

Same as the power gym, I saw guys pulling 700lb deadlifts and 500 bench presses...I watched 2 (TWO!) different strongman bench the 200lb dbs for several reps. So to me, I think of that as strong. Then all the stuff I’ve seen at competitions with my wife in recent years.

It’s just whatever you have been exposed to for the most part. But most people can’t relate to that, and that’s what reminds you it’s definitely an elite fraction of folks who ever get there.
Off course no matter how big or strong you are there will always be someone bigger and stronger but I'm just working on my self
 

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And I know some pros my self so I know what you mean but I'm not wiling to inject the amounts of juice and site enhancement there doing to get to that level
 
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Off course no matter how big or strong you are there will always be someone bigger and stronger but I'm just working on my self
100% this. The entire point of this for most of us is to beat 1 person - the person you were yesterday.
 
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You’re still hurting yourself more on Andros year round than someone would on 400-500 of test weekly year round.
Transdermal test would definitely be good for his body vs forcing liver metabolism and enzyme conversion of 4Andro if injection is just off the table.

But seriously OP, the injections are nothing. You could get Nebido/test undec and pin once a month.
 

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