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my no pct experiment starts soon

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I could do an experiment on how the effects of binge drinking Jim Beam is vastly overrated but are the results, regardless of the individuals outcome, anything more than something to point at?

Too many variables not mentioned and not tested make this test pointless and as far as test results? I could fab a lab work page easily enough. What i'm saying is that this test done by a nobody with no scientific measurements is worthless.

I'm not questioning the mods/admins decisions but hoping to provide another point of view.
 
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It appears his Pre-cycle bloodwork should be complete per the quote below.
We are all waiting in anticpation :D

ArnoldIsMyIdol said:
Didn't he say he was going to post the bloodwork on 6/3? It's now 6/6. :ntome:
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vlad878 said:
blood tests will be done june 3rd and after cycle is done and i dont think you can grow tits from pheraplex because ive used dbol without post cycle therapy and no tits
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rocketscientist said:
Well - if you really want to contribute in some way, then could you provide some hard data from that 'experiment'. What you would need is blood work from all of you guys before and immediatly after the cycle (before anyone goes on post cycle therapy). Followed by a week or two into post cycle therapy to see how your hormone levels recover - or at least after PCT.

Since your cycle may be relatively short and may be low dosed, some of you could get through the cycle w/o being badly shut down. In that case PCT may not be required (as long as the rebound will not shoot estrogen throw the roof it should be safe as well) and you may be fine. Others may be not so lucky and they will require some help to recover (or recover faster) - in the same way as you find some unlucky subjects here on the board that didn't properly recover even after their planned PCT.

What I'm trying to lay out here is that if you don't provide solid numbers your experiment will be nothing more than another 'anecdotal report'. There are already postings of people having run superdrol, h50, PP successfully (in their own works) w/o PCT. Not too many, but they exist.

Just saw that Jayhawk and others beat me to this...
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what a great post. i don't think he should get immediately flamed to death for suggesting to do this. i totally agree with this post. the only thing i want to say is that if the sole purpose is to prove pct doesn't work, then don't do it, cuz that is a fact that can't be argued.

sh*t. i'm not even sure you even read the responses anymore. i could probably flame as much as i want right now and it wouldn't even make a difference. but i won't. just in case you do read our responses.
 
vlad878,

This thread's days are numbered. Don't think I forgot about you.

"Suckers walk, money talks! But it can't touch my three lock box"
 
B5150 said:
vlad878,

This thread's days are numbered. Don't think I forgot about you.

"Suckers walk, money talks! But it can't touch my three lock box"
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Bozee Bozee Bop, ziddy bop
 
how did i not see this thread! it is obvous vlad has not seen the bloodwork done on m1t. it is bad enough by itself but to combine it with ANOTHER 17AA oral? Jesus.

vlad just so you know m1t is 99% suppressive of the HPTA within 2-3 days of use and up to 2 weeks after cessation of use. combined with phera plex your hpta will be completely, absolutely, and possible irrevocably shut down. without post cycle therapy it could take years to recover from this. may god have mercy on your soul.

other than that when newbies look at this thread 2 or 3 years from now when your hormone levels still resemble that of a 12 year old girl with her first period it will serve as a shining example of what happens to those that use AAS without prior knowledge, support supps, and post cycle therapy. thankyou for that.

in the mean time look into these
 

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I thought he was banned...Guess not, so where are the test results? And I must say, -3627 rep points is honestly very impressive. Though, I think 1 ad man definitely would have been the champion had he not violated board rules. B, you should reinstate him, and then him and Vlad can have a one-thread-winner-takes-all Ass-Off to decide the Anabolicminds Biggest Douchebag World Title.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I thought he was banned...Guess not, so where are the test results? And I must say, -3627 rep points is honestly very impressive. Though, I think 1 ad man definitely would have been the champion had he not violated board rules. B, you should reinstate him, and then him and Vlad can have a one-thread-winner-takes-all Ass-Off to decide the Anabolicminds Biggest Douchebag World Title.
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Or how maybe a competition on who will stay shut-down longer :D
 
I'm mostly interested in seeing the bloodwork from the Phera alone. I didn't recall him saying M1t is in the mix.

Vlad has a theory(pct is a waste or something like that ) he wants to test it out using sceintific means. He knows everybodys opinions very well by now but he is going to do it anyway.
Fine. If he does it I want to see it
People could just use this as additional info for bloodwork on the designer oral log being compiled in another thread. AM provides info and there is a boatload of it about PCT, methls,HPTA shutdown etc. We need more bloodwork on these orals standalone. You can trust the source or not trust the source but its just additional info thats all.

Granted that if we don't have bloodwork its useless
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I thought he was banned...Guess not, so where are the test results? And I must say, -3627 rep points is honestly very impressive. Though, I think 1 ad man definitely would have been the champion had he not violated board rules. B, you should reinstate him, and then him and Vlad can have a one-thread-winner-takes-all Ass-Off to decide the Anabolicminds Biggest Douchebag World Title.
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I reiterate my statement that 1 ad would crush Vlad. To my knowledge 1 ad man has been banned from 6 boards!..I highly doubt Vlad can match this.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I reiterate my statement that 1 ad would crush Vlad. To my knowledge 1 ad man has been banned from 6 boards!..I highly doubt Vlad can match this.
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Its just a matter of time!!!!! lol
 
Bloodwork from a NO-PCT cycle would be a good thing to point newbies to when they have PCT questions and such.

I mean,.. Its his body. We've done what we can to save it.
I think his results would only stress the importantance of a proper PCT, which so far, is a paice of the puzzle I havent seen- regaurdless of how self distructive.
 
jomi822 said:
how did i not see this thread! it is obvous vlad has not seen the bloodwork done on m1t. it is bad enough by itself but to combine it with ANOTHER 17AA oral? Jesus.

vlad just so you know m1t is 99% suppressive of the HPTA within 2-3 days of use and up to 2 weeks after cessation of use. combined with phera plex your hpta will be completely, absolutely, and possible irrevocably shut down. without post cycle therapy it could take years to recover from this. may god have mercy on your soul.

other than that when newbies look at this thread 2 or 3 years from now when your hormone levels still resemble that of a 12 year old girl with her first period it will serve as a shining example of what happens to those that use AAS without prior knowledge, support supps, and post cycle therapy. thankyou for that.

in the mean time look into these
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amen to that.
 
wtf was that? what r u thinking?? that someone will say "oh man, that sucks bro, i hope everything's cool."

people r waiting for your pre-experiment stats or at least a definate date. what were u thinking?? that people are gonna say "oh yeah take your time bro. don't really need no stats. i know your gonna get big and keep your gains without pct. in fact you'll gain even more without it. and the m1t will just solidify your awesome physique".

your dreaming man. this sucks
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Jail was gay huh? What about it was gay?
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I'm not sure if this was a serious question or not, but I'm gonna go ahead and answer it because it bugs the sh1t out of me...

Here in the states, young people (18-25) have taken to using the term 'gay' to mean stupid or lame...They use it constantly. My wife (22) started saying it for awhile...I made fun of her so bad that she finally stopped. That's not the only phrase that the youngsters are using that bothers me....But it's up at the top of the list.....Yep, 30 years old and already find myself constantly screaming:


DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS!!!!:aargh:
 
Jail for fighting. I'd stay off any steroid if you can't control your temper off cycle I'd hate to see what your like on cycle.:eek:
 
fine. well, that's what i'm looking for then. there's only 2 things in this thread. 1) people telling him how they feel about him not doing pct -or- 2) people interested to see the outcome of a decision he's already made.

However, i am beginning to see 2) is never going to happen.

correct me if i am wrong.
 
He was probably in jail for that thing on Dateline about internet sex predators and trying to solicite minors for sex.
 
Yep, this thread is bout done I think. I think the whole point of this was just to stir stuff up no bloodwork is ever going to show up.
Sigh ,Mercy kill this thing already
 
myfathersboy said:
I'm not sure if this was a serious question or not, but I'm gonna go ahead and answer it because it bugs the sh1t out of me...

Here in the states, young people (18-25) have taken to using the term 'gay' to mean stupid or lame...They use it constantly. My wife (22) started saying it for awhile...I made fun of her so bad that she finally stopped. That's not the only phrase that the youngsters are using that bothers me....But it's up at the top of the list.....Yep, 30 years old and already find myself constantly screaming:


DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS!!!!:aargh:
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No dude, I was using humour to describe the very real problem of prison homosexuality and rape..lol..Ya know? He said prison was gay, play on words..Ahh never mind.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
No dude, I was using humour to describe the very real problem of prison homosexuality and rape..lol..Ya know? He said prison was gay, play on words..Ahh never mind.
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Dont worry, I got what you were saying.
 
okay back on topic, no more gay talk. Are we or are we not going to see bloodwork? I say we give him a deadline (Admin), if it's not met, nuke this thread.
 
Viperspit said:
okay back on topic, no more gay talk. Are we or are we not going to see bloodwork? I say we give him a deadline (Admin), if it's not met, nuke this thread.
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Oh ok, so lets just do everything you wanna do!:fart:
 
Mulletsoldier said:
No dude, I was using humour to describe the very real problem of prison homosexuality and rape..lol..Ya know? He said prison was gay, play on words..Ahh never mind.
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Sorry guys....Evidently not quite as well-versed on the subject of same-sex anal rape as you fellas:run:
 
Guys, guys,... fight nice! :nutkick:

Remember the good ol' days when we ran into someone like this, and got their home address from their IP address, and would take a trip and throw a good old fashion passionite ass kickin' - Were still doing that right???? :hammer:
 
On a more sensible note that what I have been reading from most of these posts, 20 years ago there wasnt much of a PCT. Now this did cause some really bad gyno in some guys. However alot of guys used to cycle with tapered dosages and maybe even use winny at the end, that was considered PCT.

Now today we have all these new designer supplements that are methylated versions of some of the classics and a few new ones, so its not exactly the same. However, if you were to tapper your doses over a longer time frame you may your non-PCT to go better, just an idea.

Now before any of you tries to flame me on this, which I will not take to lightly, please understand Im saying this because the man wants to try something new out. I do not agree with his approach at all. These days medical science has allowed us to make PCT a possibility in a more productive fashion. Having the ability to bring your body's HPTA back to homeostasis quicker is the right thing to do IMO, but if he wishes to try the old school method with new designer supplements, I think you will find that without the long esters attached to the compounds, it will turn out unfavorable for you.

That being said, I imagine you are your own grown man and wish you luck in whatever method of PCT or non-PCT you choose. I will be looking for a progress report.

Sky
 
Sky9 said:
On a more sensible note that what I have been reading from most of these posts, 20 years ago there wasnt much of a post cycle therapy. Now this did cause some really bad gyno in some guys. However alot of guys used to cycle with tapered dosages and maybe even use winny at the end, that was considered PCT.

Now today we have all these new designer supplements that are methylated versions of some of the classics and a few new ones, so its not exactly the same. However, if you were to tapper your doses over a longer time frame you may your non-PCT to go better, just an idea.

Now before any of you tries to flame me on this, which I will not take to lightly, please understand Im saying this because the man wants to try something new out. I do not agree with his approach at all. These days medical science has allowed us to make PCT a possibility in a more productive fashion. Having the ability to bring your body's HPTA back to homeostasis quicker is the right thing to do IMO, but if he wishes to try the old school method with new designer supplements, I think you will find that without the long esters attached to the compounds, it will turn out unfavorable for you.

That being said, I imagine you are your own grown man and wish you luck in whatever method of PCT or non-PCT you choose. I will be looking for a progress report.

Sky
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Yes, I see what you are saying and would have reacted in kind IF, and it's a big if, I believed this individual had any serious implications of providing us with a few blood panels, showing his results. However, that is obviously not the case. There are many seasoned users who still implement that method with care, and who understand their body. I do not believe that comes close to applying here, all I see here is an uninformed individual who more than likely did not know what PCT was on his first cycle, did not suffer any serious side effects, and likewise decided it was unneccessary. If he would have prefaced his 'experiment' with pre-blood panels, and/or previous medical data showing a recovery from AAS sans PCT comprable to that of AAS with PCT I would have taken him seriously. Instead, I saw him like I believe he has shown himself to be, uninformed and obviously irresponsible as the blood panel results were due on Jun.3 and he 'was in jail'. Not flaming you at all, but if this were a legitimate member, or already had data I would follow in your thinkning, but he isn't, he had none, and so I don't.
 
May be but the fact that you're going to jail for fighting proves that your path is probably already laid out and I can deal with not being as big as you. Sort of evens out in the end.

Sort of ironic on the internet nerd comment, dun ya think?
 
vlad878 said:
yo im bigger than all of u internet nerd ass *****es
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-Of course forgetting that he too, must be one of those internet "nerds" - and this will eventually imortalize my bad spelling along with his stupidity.

Well,.. I guess that would be all she wrote :afro:

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I wonder how he knows how big we all are??? :trout:

Thats it- I got the address- Who wants in ? :bruce1:
 
yeahright said:
It seems to have denerated into a spam thread (and this is my contribution).
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Yeah - I think this is done for me. Maybe vlad should start a new thread if he still plans to continue with this...
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yes, I see what you are saying and would have reacted in kind IF, and it's a big if, I believed this individual had any serious implications of providing us with a few blood panels, showing his results. However, that is obviously not the case. There are many seasoned users who still implement that method with care, and who understand their body. I do not believe that comes close to applying here, all I see here is an uninformed individual who more than likely did not know what post cycle therapy was on his first cycle, did not suffer any serious side effects, and likewise decided it was unneccessary. If he would have prefaced his 'experiment' with pre-blood panels, and/or previous medical data showing a recovery from anabolic steroids sans PCT comprable to that of AAS with PCT I would have taken him seriously. Instead, I saw him like I believe he has shown himself to be, uninformed and obviously irresponsible as the blood panel results were due on Jun.3 and he 'was in jail'. Not flaming you at all, but if this were a legitimate member, or already had data I would follow in your thinkning, but he isn't, he had none, and so I don't.
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absolutely agree. i think all credibility went down the drain when he just casually out of the blue stated he was gonna mix it up with m1t. then the next post was something about jail when according to the chronological order of the thread, he was (as he had promised) gonna post some test results so that we had a benchmark. & now he's bigger than all internet nerds.

damn. come to think of it, he sounds like some skinny 15, 16 year old kid who just got cut off from the basketball team and
is looking to vent while getting told that he is tough and better than everybody else- all at the same time.
 
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