2 be honest I havnt touched test in yrs dont feel like dealing with the gyno side, I have already done a tren "the one" cycle, and 2 tell the truth I wasnt exactly impressed w/the one I actually came down in overall weight by a few pounds my gains were pretty much tren like, I do 4-6wk cycles and somtimes I throw some hcg in there, anyways Ive had better luck maintainin my gains by cutting out the test