My Newest Journey Test E/Tren E/SD!!!
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LakeMountD
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Yeah i do it, didn't really notice much difference either way. It is fine when I am mixing the two together anyways, it is when I do them separately, the Tren Enan. hurts for a couple of days, but no worse than the prop from before!
mixedup said:
Yeah i do it, didn't really notice much difference either way. It is fine when I am mixing the two together anyways, it is when I do them separately, the Tren Enan. hurts for a couple of days, but no worse than the prop from before!
Stinger124
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Sounds like you have started making some really good gains.
Enjoyed reading the work you go through. This is a newbie question, But roughly how long do your workouts last ?
I will be watching this post..
Good luck to you.
Sounds like you have started making some really good gains.
Enjoyed reading the work you go through. This is a newbie question, But roughly how long do your workouts last ?
I will be watching this post..
Good luck to you.
CEDeoudes59
USA HOCKEY
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first i've seen this thread lakemtD, if you have any questions - you know where to get me
first i've seen this thread lakemtD, if you have any questions - you know where to get me
LakeMountD
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I've always been big on a decent amount of rest between sets. Minimum of 2-3 minutes. I read a study that the 2-3 minute range is best and beyond that yielded the same amount of reps in the study so I just keep it to around that.
Things are still going well. I am thinking of bumping the dosage of letro from 2.5mg eod to 2.5mg ed. I am also thinking of bumping superdrol dosage to 20mg. For some reason I don't respond well to 10mg. When I first began using superdrol I always started at 10 as it was kind of "the thing to do" to start out safe, but I always end up bumping it and the results are MUCH different for me at 20 than 10, it is wierd.
Stinger124 said:
I've always been big on a decent amount of rest between sets. Minimum of 2-3 minutes. I read a study that the 2-3 minute range is best and beyond that yielded the same amount of reps in the study so I just keep it to around that.
Things are still going well. I am thinking of bumping the dosage of letro from 2.5mg eod to 2.5mg ed. I am also thinking of bumping superdrol dosage to 20mg. For some reason I don't respond well to 10mg. When I first began using superdrol I always started at 10 as it was kind of "the thing to do" to start out safe, but I always end up bumping it and the results are MUCH different for me at 20 than 10, it is wierd.
LakeMountD
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I am scared of 30mg, though, because I am doing pretty high dosages test/tren and I am really concerned about my health. I haven't seen bloodwork on anyone taking that amount. Even thought it is only 3 weeks, I still have 10 weeks of cycling after the 3 weeks of SD and that is a long time for your body to have horrible lipid values. I am taking Cycle Support but it can still be rough on you since you aren't technically in a recovery phase after the SD since you still have the test/tren.
CROWLER- I feel ya man, I sit there and people are doing sets one after another and my ass is sitting there staring at myself in the mirror like I'm "that guy". I hate it because I want to tell them that it is THEY who don't know what they are doing lol
CHAPS- I will post weights at the end of week 3. Not too much to report right now. I have an MS Excell log of all my weights and stuff but it doens't look like much now since there isn't really anything in there yet and plus this week some of my weights (on some exercises) went down because I changed my workout plan recently and I got more sore than usual and it carried into some of the workouts where that muscle was a secondary but that should be over with soon
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UPDATES: Okay today is bicep/tricep/shoulder day. I will be using Chaos today for the first time in the gym too so I will post results about that. I convinced myself today that 20mg SD is the way to go lol so i will be doing that as well. Hopefully the tren enan will start to kick in mid week 3 or end of week 3, I hear that is when the magic begins happening. I see slight leanness but nothing pronounced yet. The hardest thing about cycling is being patient and man is it tough.
Jared said:
I am scared of 30mg, though, because I am doing pretty high dosages test/tren and I am really concerned about my health. I haven't seen bloodwork on anyone taking that amount. Even thought it is only 3 weeks, I still have 10 weeks of cycling after the 3 weeks of SD and that is a long time for your body to have horrible lipid values. I am taking Cycle Support but it can still be rough on you since you aren't technically in a recovery phase after the SD since you still have the test/tren.
CROWLER- I feel ya man, I sit there and people are doing sets one after another and my ass is sitting there staring at myself in the mirror like I'm "that guy". I hate it because I want to tell them that it is THEY who don't know what they are doing lol
CHAPS- I will post weights at the end of week 3. Not too much to report right now. I have an MS Excell log of all my weights and stuff but it doens't look like much now since there isn't really anything in there yet and plus this week some of my weights (on some exercises) went down because I changed my workout plan recently and I got more sore than usual and it carried into some of the workouts where that muscle was a secondary but that should be over with soon
.UPDATES: Okay today is bicep/tricep/shoulder day. I will be using Chaos today for the first time in the gym too so I will post results about that. I convinced myself today that 20mg SD is the way to go lol so i will be doing that as well. Hopefully the tren enan will start to kick in mid week 3 or end of week 3, I hear that is when the magic begins happening. I see slight leanness but nothing pronounced yet. The hardest thing about cycling is being patient and man is it tough.
Pitbull954
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Good luck lake! Looking GREAT so far!!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck lake! Looking GREAT so far!!!!!!!!!!!
LakeMountD
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6/30/06: Triceps/Light abs
Okay, well there isn't a whole lot to report just yet. I am still getting used to the new routine and trying to get the correct weights down week to week, I have been doing some really stupid things to screw some of my sets up. One of the biggest problems I am having (for some wierd reason) is I am forgetting that if I go up A LOT on the first 2 exercises then I have to make sure I don't go up too much later in the workout because if I do I am not going to get the same reps as the week before since I will be fatigued faster from the heavier weights that I am doing. I made that mistake today when i went from 85 on OH Tricep extension (DB's) to 100 for 10. I did so with ease, however, by my third tricep exercise, which is skullcrushers, I first accidnetly put on too much weight and only got 6 reps (wanted to get 8) then I tried to get back on track and it was a downward spiral the rest of the workout. I wont make that mistake again.
One thing I can say is that Chaos + 20mg SD + Tren + Test = Killer Workout!!!
6/30/06: Triceps/Light abs
Okay, well there isn't a whole lot to report just yet. I am still getting used to the new routine and trying to get the correct weights down week to week, I have been doing some really stupid things to screw some of my sets up. One of the biggest problems I am having (for some wierd reason) is I am forgetting that if I go up A LOT on the first 2 exercises then I have to make sure I don't go up too much later in the workout because if I do I am not going to get the same reps as the week before since I will be fatigued faster from the heavier weights that I am doing. I made that mistake today when i went from 85 on OH Tricep extension (DB's) to 100 for 10. I did so with ease, however, by my third tricep exercise, which is skullcrushers, I first accidnetly put on too much weight and only got 6 reps (wanted to get 8) then I tried to get back on track and it was a downward spiral the rest of the workout. I wont make that mistake again.
One thing I can say is that Chaos + 20mg SD + Tren + Test = Killer Workout!!!
mixedup
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CROWLER- I feel ya man, I sit there and people are doing sets one after another and my ass is sitting there staring at myself in the mirror like I'm "that guy". I hate it because I want to tell them that it is THEY who don't know what they are doing lol
I walk around to the water fountain stretch etc instead of just sitting there I also rest 2-3 minutes between sets I am on a Max ot style of work-out now. I guess it depends because sometimes when I am doing circuit training I don't do any rest between sets differnt goals different workouts
CROWLER- I feel ya man, I sit there and people are doing sets one after another and my ass is sitting there staring at myself in the mirror like I'm "that guy". I hate it because I want to tell them that it is THEY who don't know what they are doing lol
I walk around to the water fountain stretch etc instead of just sitting there I also rest 2-3 minutes between sets I am on a Max ot style of work-out now. I guess it depends because sometimes when I am doing circuit training I don't do any rest between sets differnt goals different workouts
LakeMountD
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7/1/2006
Did legs today and all I can say is I can DEFINITELY feel the strength coming on now. As you guys know I have had a glute injury so the weights are still down in the leg department but I am doing well considering all of that and the weights are coming up fast. I went from doing (11-45's) for 8 reps on leg press on my last set to (13-45's) for 10 on my last set in one week!! I also made it from 245/10 on squats to 275/10 on my last set (boy does my glute hurt more here than on leg press). The cissus is definitely helping, however.
Lethargy has gotten worse as well ever since I bumped the superdrol dosage to 20mg. I was intense in the gym thanks to the Chaos but had that stimulated tired feeling if you know what I mean, like when you got no sleep then tried to use caffeine to cover it up. Again though today was the first day using Chaos on a big muscle group and holy hell was I pumped up, my boy and I both agreed we have never been that pumped up before, it actually HURT.
I will be posting up another progress picture tomorrow ngiht since it is the 2 week mark but I will say DAMN I am feeling thick! I tried to put on jeans that I have fit really well in for the last 2 years, haha, and i couldnt even pull to get them buttoned!! My abs and obliques have exploded, they are much much bigger now. I will also take measurements tomorrow.
I haven't noticed any leaning effect just yet from tren but I am trying to convince myself it is because I am barely at the end of the 2 week mark on an enanthate version, I am definitely more vascular and veiny though.
7/1/2006
Did legs today and all I can say is I can DEFINITELY feel the strength coming on now. As you guys know I have had a glute injury so the weights are still down in the leg department but I am doing well considering all of that and the weights are coming up fast. I went from doing (11-45's) for 8 reps on leg press on my last set to (13-45's) for 10 on my last set in one week!! I also made it from 245/10 on squats to 275/10 on my last set (boy does my glute hurt more here than on leg press). The cissus is definitely helping, however.
Lethargy has gotten worse as well ever since I bumped the superdrol dosage to 20mg. I was intense in the gym thanks to the Chaos but had that stimulated tired feeling if you know what I mean, like when you got no sleep then tried to use caffeine to cover it up. Again though today was the first day using Chaos on a big muscle group and holy hell was I pumped up, my boy and I both agreed we have never been that pumped up before, it actually HURT.
I will be posting up another progress picture tomorrow ngiht since it is the 2 week mark but I will say DAMN I am feeling thick! I tried to put on jeans that I have fit really well in for the last 2 years, haha, and i couldnt even pull to get them buttoned!! My abs and obliques have exploded, they are much much bigger now. I will also take measurements tomorrow.
I haven't noticed any leaning effect just yet from tren but I am trying to convince myself it is because I am barely at the end of the 2 week mark on an enanthate version, I am definitely more vascular and veiny though.
FitnFirm
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Hi LMD
I wanted to tell you that you have a great log!!! It is very detailed and I can see the time that you put into it. Im sure you will be helping others by documenting your experience.
You know, we expect nothing less than perfection from you now though
Hi LMD
I wanted to tell you that you have a great log!!! It is very detailed and I can see the time that you put into it. Im sure you will be helping others by documenting your experience.
You know, we expect nothing less than perfection from you now though
Mulletsoldier
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The one at my gym is an old Apex I believe, and it holds 12 on each sides, and has a bar on top of the sled where you can put an additional 5 plates.
PSBigJoey said:
The one at my gym is an old Apex I believe, and it holds 12 on each sides, and has a bar on top of the sled where you can put an additional 5 plates.
LakeMountD
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I wasn't doing 13 per side i was doing 13 total.. I still have a glute injury and the LAST thing I want to do is tear that again, so i am moving up slowly.
PSBigJoey said:
I wasn't doing 13 per side i was doing 13 total.. I still have a glute injury and the LAST thing I want to do is tear that again, so i am moving up slowly.
LakeMountD
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Here is my diet guys. I posted two pictures, one of the actual diet and one of the percentages. Worked out to be a perfect 40/40/20, which I was very happy to see. For the most part it shows how the meals are broken down too but there are a couple things out of place.
I will have the progress pictures and new measurements up tomorrow!
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Here is my diet guys. I posted two pictures, one of the actual diet and one of the percentages. Worked out to be a perfect 40/40/20
, which I was very happy to see. For the most part it shows how the meals are broken down too but there are a couple things out of place.I will have the progress pictures and new measurements up tomorrow!
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Iron Warrior
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Good looking cycle, your PCT is even more remarkable Lake. Diet looks great too.
Good looking cycle, your PCT is even more remarkable Lake. Diet looks great too.
LakeMountD
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Well guys here are the first pics. The second picture I am a little more pumped up but the size is basically the same. The veininess is coming from the chaos and the arginine, but you can still see various parts of me that are beginning to grow. I will post up changes in measurements tonight as I want to be cold for those.
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FitnFirm said:Very PURDY for a guy
Well guys here are the first pics. The second picture I am a little more pumped up but the size is basically the same. The veininess is coming from the chaos and the arginine, but you can still see various parts of me that are beginning to grow. I will post up changes in measurements tonight as I want to be cold for those.
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LakeMountD
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Pitbull954
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Great job lake keep it up..... Looking HUGGGGGGGGGGGE
Great job lake keep it up..... Looking HUGGGGGGGGGGGE
LakeMountD
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UPDATE 7/3/06: Chest Day +9.5 lbs overall!
Wow, what a great damn chest day!!! I must comment that this chaos stuff is truly wonderful, I love working out with it!! I weighed in today at 186.5 so that is up 9.5 lbs in 14 days and not to mention the fact that I have only been on superdrol for 9 days and I am sure the bulk of the well bulk is coming from that this early on, I am definitely stoked about this.
I must also comment on my blood pressure. Tested it today after walking around for a little bit (which could have even raised it a little more) and it was 136/69!!! I am very impressed with Cycle Support as well as it has really helped me keep the BP close to baseline levels for diastolic, which is the more important number.
I am also changing my workout routine a little bit. I am going to switch to a 4 day routine and I am going to combine tricep day and bicep/shoulder day into one, since it seems that I am not recovering in time for chest day after doing triceps on friday, this way I can do all of them on thursday and get that extra day, plus it allows me to really hit biceps hard as hell since they are lagging, and still have extra time to recover until the tuesday of lat day, it should really help.
Thanks for keeping an eye out guys, let me know if you guys have any questions. I will post the Excell log of my weights at the end of the week.
EDIT: I also want to show you guys the 2 week measurements
Left Bicep: +.55"
Right Bicep: +.4"
Chest: +1.75"
Right Leg: +.5"
Left Leg: +.75"
Waist: +.5" (my abs and obliques are def. bigger)
Left Calf: +.25"
Rigth Calf: +.1" (grr I hate calves damnit)
Left Forearm: +.15"
Right Forearm: -.25" (wierd, it went down, could have been a bad measurement the first time)
UPDATE 7/3/06: Chest Day +9.5 lbs overall!
Wow, what a great damn chest day!!! I must comment that this chaos stuff is truly wonderful, I love working out with it!! I weighed in today at 186.5 so that is up 9.5 lbs in 14 days and not to mention the fact that I have only been on superdrol for 9 days and I am sure the bulk of the well bulk is coming from that this early on, I am definitely stoked about this.
I must also comment on my blood pressure. Tested it today after walking around for a little bit (which could have even raised it a little more) and it was 136/69!!! I am very impressed with Cycle Support as well as it has really helped me keep the BP close to baseline levels for diastolic, which is the more important number.
I am also changing my workout routine a little bit. I am going to switch to a 4 day routine and I am going to combine tricep day and bicep/shoulder day into one, since it seems that I am not recovering in time for chest day after doing triceps on friday, this way I can do all of them on thursday and get that extra day, plus it allows me to really hit biceps hard as hell since they are lagging, and still have extra time to recover until the tuesday of lat day, it should really help.
Thanks for keeping an eye out guys, let me know if you guys have any questions. I will post the Excell log of my weights at the end of the week.
EDIT: I also want to show you guys the 2 week measurements
Left Bicep: +.55"
Right Bicep: +.4"
Chest: +1.75"
Right Leg: +.5"
Left Leg: +.75"
Waist: +.5" (my abs and obliques are def. bigger)
Left Calf: +.25"
Rigth Calf: +.1" (grr I hate calves damnit)
Left Forearm: +.15"
Right Forearm: -.25" (wierd, it went down, could have been a bad measurement the first time)
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Viperspit
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Nice update LMD, I can see some growth in your traps (like you need that), and your upper chest. Have you been training abs? because you say that your obliques and abs are getting bigger. (can't see them in the pics. keep up the great work, looks like this cycle is agreeing with you :thumbsup:
Nice update LMD, I can see some growth in your traps (like you need that), and your upper chest. Have you been training abs? because you say that your obliques and abs are getting bigger. (can't see them in the pics. keep up the great work, looks like this cycle is agreeing with you :thumbsup:
LakeMountD
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Yeah the main reason I know they are growing is because my jeans no longer fit and I know I didn't gain much fat and in fact I prolly lost some. I can jsut feel my abs more even when I am walking around, and my obliques as well, it is always a crazy feeling when you are walking around with muscles that you didn't have before!
Viperspit said:
Yeah the main reason I know they are growing is because my jeans no longer fit and I know I didn't gain much fat and in fact I prolly lost some. I can jsut feel my abs more even when I am walking around, and my obliques as well, it is always a crazy feeling when you are walking around with muscles that you didn't have before!
Apowerz6
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Looking swollen brother :lol: I am glad you are bulking up nicely. I to have to watch the poundage increases, as later sets do suffer, yesterday on chest i jumped up to 320 on incline hammers while thats like my 4th set in my first excercise for chest, this time it wound up being my third, as my 4th set allowed me to go to 340 for 4 measley reps, def have to beat that next week... Anyway love the log, and will see you on the dark side :smite:
Looking swollen brother :lol: I am glad you are bulking up nicely. I to have to watch the poundage increases, as later sets do suffer, yesterday on chest i jumped up to 320 on incline hammers while thats like my 4th set in my first excercise for chest, this time it wound up being my third, as my 4th set allowed me to go to 340 for 4 measley reps, def have to beat that next week... Anyway love the log, and will see you on the dark side :smite:
LakeMountD
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Okay well today I will combine triceps/biceps/shoulders and I will post the changes in the first post and post them here as soon as I figure out how I want to put it together.
I have also eliminated actual lifting ratios on chest/tricep day. I will just keep it slow and controlled as usual but the extremely slow sets on chest day are really doing a number on me and it doesn't allow me to lift effectively later on in the workout. I will also be adding sets to leg day soon since as I heal up more and get stronger I will want to put more volume into legs, I just really don't want to screw this injury up AGAIN.
I am also thinking of using 30mg of Superdrol in the 3rd week. I have never used 30 before but sort of wanted to try it to gauge it against 20mg.
Okay well today I will combine triceps/biceps/shoulders and I will post the changes in the first post and post them here as soon as I figure out how I want to put it together.
I have also eliminated actual lifting ratios on chest/tricep day. I will just keep it slow and controlled as usual but the extremely slow sets on chest day are really doing a number on me and it doesn't allow me to lift effectively later on in the workout. I will also be adding sets to leg day soon since as I heal up more and get stronger I will want to put more volume into legs, I just really don't want to screw this injury up AGAIN.
I am also thinking of using 30mg of Superdrol in the 3rd week. I have never used 30 before but sort of wanted to try it to gauge it against 20mg.
LakeMountD
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Yeah I usually start at 20 as well but for some stupid reason the first 4 days I started with 10 but then bumped it up. I have heard magical things happen at 30mg so what the hey I will give it a shot.
For the first time I have had night sweats from the tren. I woke up and was pretty damn sweaty. I welcome this sign, however, as it means that tren has finally begun kicking in!
mixedup said:
Yeah I usually start at 20 as well but for some stupid reason the first 4 days I started with 10 but then bumped it up. I have heard magical things happen at 30mg so what the hey I will give it a shot.
For the first time I have had night sweats from the tren. I woke up and was pretty damn sweaty. I welcome this sign, however, as it means that tren has finally begun kicking in!
LakeMountD
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Right now I am experimenting with 0.5mg EOD but I will also try .25 ED and see which is better. I plan on using for a while to prevent these sides.
Combining all the arm workouts today was TOUGH! Plus I was pissed because I am back home and I had to use a different gym. They had these gay rubber weights that were MASSSSSSSIVE once you went above 80 lbs and it made OH tricep extensions almost impossible, plus all the machines and seats sucked so my workout and weights are all messed, I will just have to continue logging next week nothing I can do.
Jasun13 said:
Right now I am experimenting with 0.5mg EOD but I will also try .25 ED and see which is better. I plan on using for a while to prevent these sides.
Combining all the arm workouts today was TOUGH! Plus I was pissed because I am back home and I had to use a different gym. They had these gay rubber weights that were MASSSSSSSIVE once you went above 80 lbs and it made OH tricep extensions almost impossible, plus all the machines and seats sucked so my workout and weights are all messed, I will just have to continue logging next week nothing I can do.
Mulletsoldier
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Yeah, a weight is a weight, but I feel you on working out at diff gyms. When you are going to a certain gym for awhile you get a feel for all the freeweights and machines, then when you goto another logging almost becomes pointelss because everything is different.
LakeMountD said:
Yeah, a weight is a weight, but I feel you on working out at diff gyms. When you are going to a certain gym for awhile you get a feel for all the freeweights and machines, then when you goto another logging almost becomes pointelss because everything is different.
tattoopierced1
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i always run SD at 30mg and really enjoy it.
i always run SD at 30mg and really enjoy it.
pistonpump
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This is the first time i have read this thread def. subscribed. Just had one thing to add about the PCt...i read somewhere that Dr. D wrote i believe on why the LXT should be taken around week 3 of PCT. I will try to find it for you later.
If you are bulking and your appetite is still there after your planned diet i think you should eat more. You are pretty lean and can afford to eat more esp on this cycle, just go for it cuz you can cut easy i bet. I guess i'm saying if your appetite is calling heed the call baby. Looking forward to the before and after pics at the end too
This is the first time i have read this thread def. subscribed. Just had one thing to add about the PCt...i read somewhere that Dr. D wrote i believe on why the LXT should be taken around week 3 of PCT. I will try to find it for you later.
If you are bulking and your appetite is still there after your planned diet i think you should eat more. You are pretty lean and can afford to eat more esp on this cycle, just go for it cuz you can cut easy i bet. I guess i'm saying if your appetite is calling heed the call baby. Looking forward to the before and after pics at the end too
ImJ2x
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Just a quick note on biceps...
I also have the "lagging biceps" prob. And I've tried so many different biceps exercises that have had more negative impact than positive (I've had serious elbow tendonitis issues until just recently -- hail Cissus!!). So I'm trying a new approach. On biceps day, I'm just gonna do my two favorite/most effective/least injurious exercises, but for many sets: 4-5 sets of heavy-weight cable curls (using a free-rotation EZ-curl bar), followed by 4-5 sets of medium-weight seated dumbell hammer curls (not alternating; just both arms at the same time), followed by 4-5 more sets of the first exercise (it's my fav -- with very slight "cheating," I can go fairly heavy without aggravating my elbows, probably due to the smoothness of the cable setup. And I love the constant tension you get from the vertical stack of weights.) Anyway, if it seems to work, I'll let ya'll know.
Just a quick note on biceps...
I also have the "lagging biceps" prob. And I've tried so many different biceps exercises that have had more negative impact than positive (I've had serious elbow tendonitis issues until just recently -- hail Cissus!!). So I'm trying a new approach. On biceps day, I'm just gonna do my two favorite/most effective/least injurious exercises, but for many sets: 4-5 sets of heavy-weight cable curls (using a free-rotation EZ-curl bar), followed by 4-5 sets of medium-weight seated dumbell hammer curls (not alternating; just both arms at the same time), followed by 4-5 more sets of the first exercise (it's my fav -- with very slight "cheating," I can go fairly heavy without aggravating my elbows, probably due to the smoothness of the cable setup. And I love the constant tension you get from the vertical stack of weights.) Anyway, if it seems to work, I'll let ya'll know.
LakeMountD
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Well yeah, I have posted studies on the fact that test and even more so tren lower cortisol levels very significantly. It was thought by many (and still is) that androgens merely out compete cortisol and also outdo it since there is a larger amount of circulating androgens to cortisol (ratio), however, those studies proved it lowers cortisol levels very significantly. So in PCT your cortisol levels don't raise up for a little while, however, I have enough lean extreme that I might as well run it from day one, not really too concerned with it.
IMJ2X- I notice I can often overtrain easily, however, I have not found, yet, (after years) of lifting which muscles those are (only a few of them). It is because I have done so many different types of training (football etc). Let me know if it works though.
pistonpump said:
Well yeah, I have posted studies on the fact that test and even more so tren lower cortisol levels very significantly. It was thought by many (and still is) that androgens merely out compete cortisol and also outdo it since there is a larger amount of circulating androgens to cortisol (ratio), however, those studies proved it lowers cortisol levels very significantly. So in PCT your cortisol levels don't raise up for a little while, however, I have enough lean extreme that I might as well run it from day one, not really too concerned with it.
IMJ2X- I notice I can often overtrain easily, however, I have not found, yet, (after years) of lifting which muscles those are (only a few of them). It is because I have done so many different types of training (football etc). Let me know if it works though.
LakeMountD
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7/8/2006
Well guys I know it has been a while since my last update, I came home for like 4 days and BOY did I know this was going to be a bad idea. I eat like absolute crap when I come home!
I, also, hate with a passion working out in a gym other than the one I am used to! The machines are all different, all the weights that I log get screwed up, I don't have a spotter, etc etc etc.
I finally switched to a 4 day routine and combined the tricep day and the shoulder/bicep day. it was a damn tough workout with a lot of volume but it is something I feel I really need to do, since 5 days seemed to overtrain me a little bit. I don't feel I get enough sleep to recover from a 5 day routine and I think sleep is KEY. I feel like my biceps are finally growing, although they never get sore and for some strange reason I try to associate soreness with how hard a muscle gets worked or growth and I know that is dumb. Muscle like my chest get sore SOOOO easily yet my biceps NEVER get sore so it is frustrating.
I also bumped the Superdrol from 20 to 30mg in the 3rd and final week just to gauge the difference between 20 and 30. I feel I finally am beginning to feel the effects of the tren. For the last two nights I have woken up in a cold room sweating my a$$ off and the sleep is still tough. I still don't feel like I am leaning out though. I really hope that begins to come out soon since it is something I would expect from tren. If I run tren in the future it will probably be at a higher dosage, instead of 350 (which is more like 380 due to the overdose), I will run more like 500 tren enanthate weekly.
And let me just tell you that today on leg day I had to cut it short and i was PISSED. I went in there with my Chaos drink in full swing. I was hyped and ready for a leg day. The squats went great even though i didn't have a damn spotter. I went up 25 lbs from the previous week and felt I could have gone even higher with no problems, my glute is finally feeling better and I am able to do more weight even though the DAMN leg press machine sucked a$$ and I couldn't use it, had to do much less weight and it was very uncomfortable. One of the reasons I had to cut the workout short, however, was the lower back pump was absolutely unbearable. I couldn't stand, sit, or walk, it HURRRTT, I have never had it like that and I have run 20mg of superdrol a few times. It had to be the chaos along with everything else. It sucks that I had to skip half of a leg workout since they are so far behind, though
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I will post my updated workout routine and the workout log tomorrow.
7/8/2006
Well guys I know it has been a while since my last update, I came home for like 4 days and BOY did I know this was going to be a bad idea. I eat like absolute crap when I come home!
I, also, hate with a passion working out in a gym other than the one I am used to! The machines are all different, all the weights that I log get screwed up, I don't have a spotter, etc etc etc.
I finally switched to a 4 day routine and combined the tricep day and the shoulder/bicep day. it was a damn tough workout with a lot of volume but it is something I feel I really need to do, since 5 days seemed to overtrain me a little bit. I don't feel I get enough sleep to recover from a 5 day routine and I think sleep is KEY. I feel like my biceps are finally growing, although they never get sore and for some strange reason I try to associate soreness with how hard a muscle gets worked or growth and I know that is dumb. Muscle like my chest get sore SOOOO easily yet my biceps NEVER get sore so it is frustrating.
I also bumped the Superdrol from 20 to 30mg in the 3rd and final week just to gauge the difference between 20 and 30. I feel I finally am beginning to feel the effects of the tren. For the last two nights I have woken up in a cold room sweating my a$$ off and the sleep is still tough. I still don't feel like I am leaning out though. I really hope that begins to come out soon since it is something I would expect from tren. If I run tren in the future it will probably be at a higher dosage, instead of 350 (which is more like 380 due to the overdose), I will run more like 500 tren enanthate weekly.
And let me just tell you that today on leg day I had to cut it short and i was PISSED. I went in there with my Chaos drink in full swing. I was hyped and ready for a leg day. The squats went great even though i didn't have a damn spotter. I went up 25 lbs from the previous week and felt I could have gone even higher with no problems, my glute is finally feeling better and I am able to do more weight even though the DAMN leg press machine sucked a$$ and I couldn't use it, had to do much less weight and it was very uncomfortable. One of the reasons I had to cut the workout short, however, was the lower back pump was absolutely unbearable. I couldn't stand, sit, or walk, it HURRRTT, I have never had it like that and I have run 20mg of superdrol a few times. It had to be the chaos along with everything else. It sucks that I had to skip half of a leg workout since they are so far behind, though
.I will post my updated workout routine and the workout log tomorrow.